Book of Daniel - Relevant time periods

[Douggg]

Douggg, when you can actually quote my words correctly, then you may be able to understand what I have written.

Jay, I did quote your words verbatim in my post #39. Do you wish to abandon your approach of 7 so-called ages - to something else..... like 7 critical time-frames? Because 7 critical time-frames are what you seem to be posting in your post #40.

I disagree with what you have written in those 7 critical time-frames. But if you get away from saying 7 ages, it would be a step in the right direction.

To me, the labeling as "ages" for those 7 brackets of time is confusing. I don't think you have 7 anyway, because the 2300 years is 2300 days in the text of Daniel 8:14. Why do you need 7 ?

 

[Douggg]

1. The visitation of the iniquities of the fathers upon their children and the children's children ends after the completion of the third and fourth age of the existence of the Israelites. From 4BC until 2044 AD

I think you believe that 2044 AD is the year of Jesus's return, yes ?

2. The completion of the 2,300-year time period of the Gentile Kings trampling God's sanctuary and His earthly Hosts. The 2,300 years of the Little Horn being given armies to trample God's Sanctuary and His earthly hosts, began around the year 256 BC and will end around the year 2044 BC

It is not 2300 years in the text of Daniel 8:14, but days. Try again.

3. The gathering of the Kings of the earth at Armageddon to be judged for their part, under the influence of the Little Horn, to trample God's Sanctuary and His earthly hosts. Around the year 2044 AD.

I think you believe that 2044 AD is the year of Jesus's return, yes ? Why don't you say "Around the year 2044 AD, the year of Jesus's return. ?

4. The giving of the son of man dominion over all of the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him. Around the year 2044 AD.

The beginning of the millennium rule of Jesus, when Jesus returns in year 2044 AD. (I think is what you are trying to say).

5. That during the time of these kings, that a rock comes down out of heaven to become the largest "mountain/religion" in all of the earth. Around the year 2044 AD.

During the time of the ten kings of Daniel 2, Daniel 7, Revelation 13 (when the ten kings have their crowns) the rock in Daniel 2, the kingdom of God becomes the largest religion in all of the earth, when Jesus returns in year 2044 AD. (I think is what you are trying to say).

6. That God begins gathering the Israelites to Himself and plants them in His fertile field and begins teaching them about the greatest "mountain/religion" that He is establishing in Israel. That God will establish a covenant of Peace with Israel by the removal of the Beasts from the face of the earth for a season. Begins after the year 2044 AD and will continue until about the year 3068 AD.

That God begins gathering the Israelites to Himself, as He brings the Jews scattered around the world back to the land of Israel, leaving none in the nations, when Jesus returns. And removes the various beasts of earth, i.e. powers and evil kingdoms, for a season of 1000 years.

Beginning in year 2044 AD, the year of Jesus returns. Extending a thousand years, and beyond, until about the year 3068 AD when Satan is cast into the lake of fire.

(I think is what you are trying to say).

7. That God will make like new again with the nation of Israel, the Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possession Among the Nations Covenant which the nation of Israel had initially rebelled against at Mt Sinai. God will renew the Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possession among the Nations covenant after the year 2044 AD and this covenant will continue until the year 3068 AD.

...after the year 2044 AD the year of Jesus returns, and continues through the thousand year millennium rule of Christ. After the millennium, ending in 3044, there will be a short season of 24 years when Satan is released from the bottomless pit and deceives the nations once again, until the year 3068 AD, when God ends the final rebellion of the nations. And casts Satan into the lake of fire.

(I think is what you are trying to say).

 

[Jay Ross]

I think you believe that 2044 AD is the year of Jesus's return, yes ?

I have not stated this. This is your way of twisting what I have written.

It is not 2300 years in the text of Daniel 8:14, but days. Try again.

My understanding is that it is 2,300 years. You have a very different understanding which does not recognise that God's earthly hosts have been trampled since around 256 BC and will continue being trampled until the year 2044 AD with the completion of the 2,300-year prophecy. Your theory is that there are only 2,300 days of the Daniel 8 prophecy which is not supported by the historical record that spans this same 2,300-year period. In fact, we are seeing this trampling of Israelites living within the borders of the nation of Israel happening in the present Gaza/Israel conflict.

I think you believe that 2044 AD is the year of Jesus's return, yes ? Why don't you say "Around the year 2044 AD, the year of Jesus's return. ?

Because I have not made this claim as you are trying to suggest that I have. Your are being untruthful.

The beginning of the millennium rule of Jesus, when Jesus returns in year 2044 AD. (I think is what you are trying to say).

Dougg, the Bible does not support what you are claiming that Jesus returns to the face of the earth in the year 2044 AD to exercise His dominion over the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him.

Douggg, you are deliberately twisting my posts in a vain attempt on your part to hold onto the "truth/lies" that you post on this forum.

Goodbye

 

[Douggg]

Douggg, you are deliberately twisting my posts in a vain attempt on your part to hold onto the "truth/lies" that you post on this forum.

Jay, I am not trying to twist your posts. If I have misunderstood you and 2044 is not the year you think Jesus returns - then why all of the 2044 references?

 

[Douggg]

Dougg, the Bible does not support what you are claiming that Jesus returns to the face of the earth in the year 2044 AD to exercise His dominion over the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him.

Do you not believe that Jesus will return to stand on the Mt. of Olives in Zechariah 14:2-5 splitting it half ?

Dougg, the Bible does not support what you are claiming that Jesus returns to the face of the earth in the year 2044 AD to exercise His dominion over the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him.

Jay, I am not claiming that Jesus returns to the earth in 2044 AD. I (mistakenly) thought that is what you were saying.

Do you not think that Jesus will return to this earth ?

 

[Douggg]

My understanding is that it is 2,300 years. You have a very different understanding which does not recognise that God's earthly hosts have been trampled since around 256 BC and will continue being trampled until the year 2044 AD with the completion of the 2,300-year prophecy. Your theory is that there are only 2,300 days of the Daniel 8 prophecy which is not supported by the historical record that spans this same 2,300-year period. In fact, we are seeing this trampling of Israelites living in the borders of the nation of Israel happening in the present Gaza/Israel conflict.

Jay, the 2300 days in Daniel 8:14 are associated with the activities of the little horn person. The little horn person does not live for 2300 years.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, I am not trying to twist your posts. If I have misunderstood you and 2044 is not the year you think Jesus returns - then why all of the 2044 references?

Because more than one event can have some association with the year 2044 AD. In databases, it is possible for many entities to have the same date reference. This is you bad of not understanding

 

[Douggg]

Because more than one event can have some association with the year 2044 AD. In databases, it is possible for many entities to have the same date reference. This is you bad of not understanding

Jay, be specific. Where are you coming up with 2044 AD as an important year ?

 

[Jay Ross]

Do you not believe that Jesus will return to stand on the Mt. of Olives in Zechariah 14:2-5 splitting it half ?

If I believe in the scriptures, then I must believe what is found in Zechariah 14:2-5 as well. This small passage does not definitely indicate the time period that is being spoken about.

Jay, I am not claiming that Jesus returns to the earth in 2044 AD. I (mistakenly) thought that is what you were saying.

But Douggg I do not believe your innocence in this matter and strongly suspect that you were very deliberate in what you wrote as if in my post I had made this claim that you attributed to me.

I made no claim that Jesus was returning permanently to the face of the earth in 2044 AD as you have suggested.

Do you not think that Jesus will return to this earth ?

I believe that the scriptures does make this claim.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, the 2300 days in Daniel 8:14 are associated with the activities of the little horn person. The little horn person does not live for 2300 years.

Douggg, I believe that the Little Horn is a wicked and evil, fallen heavenly host and as such the Little Horn being a heavenly host can live for eternity and can exercise his influence over people since his first appearance in the scriptures up and until he is dispatched into the Lake of Fire. While the Little Horn/False Prophet is imprisoned in the Bottomless pit he is not able to exercise any influence over people.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, be specific. Where are you coming up with 2044 AD as an important year ?

I thought that I had answered that question when I listed all of the events that have some associativity with the year 2044 AD.

 

[Douggg]

I thought that I had answered that question when I listed all of the events that have some associativity with the year 2033 AD.

Jay, where are you coming up with 2033 ? And how does 2044 relate to 2033 ?

Did you make a typo and meant to say 2044 ?

If so, where are you coming up with the year 2044 ?

 

[Douggg]

Douggg, I believe that the Little Horn is a wicked and evil, fallen heavenly host and as such the Little Horn being a heavenly host can live for eternity and can exercise his influence over people since his first appearance in the scriptures up and until he is dispatched into the Lake of Fire. While the Little Horn/False Prophet is imprisoned in the Bottomless pit he is not able to exercise any influence over people.

Where does it say the little horn person is a heavenly host ? "host" as used in the text is a group of persons, not one person.

In Daniel 8:12, it says a host was given him against the daily sacrifice. The host just means an army that the little horn person will have command of.

Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. [the host of heaven - is talking about the people of Israel, as they are being compared to the stars]

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, where are you coming up with 2033 ? And how does 2044 relate to 2033 ?

Did you make a typo and meant to say 2044 ?

If so, where are you coming up with the year 2044 ?

Fixed the typo.

2044 AD was calculated from Mat 24:32 when unpacking the imagery contained in this one verse between when a fig tree will bud new leaves after Winter and the Summer season begins where a season is 1,000 years long.

 

[Jay Ross]

Where does it say the little horn person is a heavenly host ?

Where does it say that the Little Horn is a person? That is just a flawed understanding from long ago.

 

[Douggg]

2044 AD was calculated from Mat 24:32 when unpacking the imagery contained in this one verse between when a fig tree will bud new leaves after Winter and the Summer season begins where a season is 1,000 years long.

Matthew 24:
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Jay, the parable of the fig tree is informing that the generation that sees the fig tree in blossom, that generation with not pass away - with out seeing Jesus return to this earth in Matthew 24:30.

So, the questions are - what does the fig tree represent? what entails the blossom ? how long is a generation ?

the fig tree represents - Jerusalem
the blossoming of Jerusalem - 1967 when the Jews regained possession of Jerusalem
how long is a generation - 70 years, Psalms 90:10

1967 + 70 years = 2037 Jesus's return will be before the end of 2037.

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What are your answers to those three questions to come up with 2044.

 

[Douggg]

Where does it say that the Little Horn is a person? That is just a flawed understanding from long ago.

The little horn represents a person because Daniel 8:11 refers to "he" magnified "himself", and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away.

Daniel 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

The little horn and the 2300 days involving his activities are time of the end - Daniel 8:17. So the little horn person is an end times person.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, the parable of the fig is informing that the generation that sees the fig tree in blossom

Douggg, you are not reading the conditions that I had set in the parable of the Fig tree. I clearly stated that all of the time data was found in just the one verse, Matt 24:32. However, you are going outside of the parameters which I have used to determine how I had arrived at the 2044 AD year just from verse 32.

You are looking at other verses and trying to integrate them into the calculations of the time span between when the fig tree buds and the summer season starts. Remember that the summer season has a duration of 1,000 years and can be linked to Daniel 7:12.

As for your understanding of a "generation," its duration is the same as a "day of the Lord" and a biblical age.

You need to stop trying to show that My understanding is wrong and start to understand why I might be very right in my understanding from just considering just verse Mat 24:32.

 

[Jay Ross]

The little horn represents a person because Daniel 8:11 refers to "he" magnified "himself", and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away.

Daniel 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

The little horn and the 2300 days involving his activities are time of the end - Daniel 8:17. So the little horn person is an end times person.

The Little Horn/False Prophet which are both names applied to the same beastly heavenly host/angel, is a heavenly host that was created by God but rebelled with Satan just before or around the time of the creation. What we are told happen during the 'first day" of creation indicates that the darkness, i.e. the rebelling angels covered the opening face of the abyss. All the five beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 are angels/heavenly hosts who have rebelled against God and His creation. These heavenly hosts are able to influence the people of the sea so that the people manifest the dominate characteristic of the respective five beasts.

 

[Douggg]

You need to stop trying to show that My understanding is wrong and start to understand why I might be very right in my understanding from just considering just verse Mat 24:32.

Jay, Matthew 24:32 is not a stand alone verse. Matthew 24:32-34, those three verses together make up the parable of the fig tree.

As for your understanding of a "generation," its duration is the same as a "day of the Lord" and a biblical age.

No, it is not. Psalms 90:10 defines how long a generation is.

I clearly stated that all of the time data was found in just the one verse, Matt 24:32. However, you are going outside of the parameters which I have used to determine how I had arrived at the 2044 AD year just from verse 32.

You have yet to explain how you arrived at 2044 AD as being a special year.