Book of Daniel - Relevant time periods

[CTK]

Greetings again CTK,

Just briefly, I consider the main fulfilment of the 2300 evening/mornings is from BC 334-333 the defeat of the Medo-Persian Ram by the Grecian Alexandrian Goat to AD 1967 when the Jews recaptured Jerusalem. I will be interested in how you bring in your three time periods (epochs?) to agree with or reject my understanding of this 2300, as I believe that an understanding of this prophecy is based upon the text and context of Daniel 8 and its unique Divine revelation.

Kind regards
Trevor

Okay and thanks. Below is the verse in Chapter 8 that specifically mentions the 2300 evenings and mornings prophecy. The purpose or the fulfillment during this period will be the cleansing of the Sanctuary.

So, the question I believe that should be asked is how, who or when will or can the Sanctuary be cleansed... If one views this in a secular manner, as so many have done, they have found a need to magically convert this from days to years under a so called "year for a day" principle. In fact, this particular group, and others would apply this "principle" to all 5 time elements found in the Book of Daniel:

a) 7 times in Chapter 4,
b) time, times and 1/2 time in Chapter 7,
c) 2300 days in Chapter 8,
d) 1290 days in Chapter 12,
e) 1335 days in Chapter 12.

However, these same folks were the ones that created this "principle" based on two verses in the OT. But that does not make it a "principle" and just because there were two verses that may have been found to treat a certain event in years for days, it does not make for a "principle" in the rest of the Bible. There is no basis for this and each time element in the Scriptures should be understood and interpreted based on the context of the verses / storyline it is found. In all five of the above time elements, none will or should be converted into years. Items (a) and (b) have their own unique / special time meansurement to fit their message, while the last three are indeed literal days. The problem is to identify what, or who they are speaking to or about, and then, if they refer or speak to the Messiah and His plan of salvation or to a secular event. Unfortunately, all the above seem to have been attribute to a secular event on earth.

So, here is the verse that defines the 2300 days prophecy:

8:14 And he said to me, “For two thousand three hundred [h]days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed.”

1) I ask you the following:

a) does your interpretation from 333 BC to 1967, which does cover a time period of 2300 (years not days), address the purpose and fulfillment of this time prophecy? How does it do that?

b) what is your basis for changing days to years? This seems necessary to be able to link it to a secular event in our history.

c) how does this "cleanse the Sanctuary?"

d) who can only "cleanse the Sanctuary?"

e) is this "Sanctuary" speaking about the physical Sanctuary which was "done away with" at the cross or another Sanctuary?

f) is this time element linked in anyway to the 70 weeks of years prophecy of Chapter 9?


When I was attempting to interpret 8:14, I went through all the available mathematical contortions that some scholars have put forth. However, there really are not very many as it is just so difficult to understand. I spent quite a bit of time looking over their calcuations and then I waisted alot of time trying to come up with alternative mathematically forumlas or scenerios... none made any sense!

It was only when I through all of them away and went directly to 8:14 and asked, "what is going to be fulfilled during this time element of 2300 days, and since it is already qualified by "evenings and mornings," it could only relate to ONE activity - the daily sacrifice that is conducted each day by the Jews according to their Levitical laws. That was a perfect starting point. And then I would ask myself the questions above that I am asking of you to consider... and (not playing any games), I am more than sure you will easily be able to provide the purpose of fulfillment part of the question. The actual calculation - not so much for it is indeed quite cryptic... and only the Holy Spirit had patiently walked me through it.

So, please consider the above --- it is always so much better and more acceptable in the individual participates in the coming to the proper interpretation on his / her own as opposed to me telling you and then a quick rejection is usually the case. They are still invested in their own interpretation where they may have also spent much time developing. People do not like to give up their own / original / thoughts... they are very valuable to them...as anyone would be.

 

[CTK]

Greetings CTK,

I am at a loss as to what is your view of the 2300 and the 1290, 1335 time periods. I am prepared to wait until you give further clarification. I have a strong opinion on the 2300 days and only a tentative opinion on the 1290 and 1335 days. I will wait to see if what you expound will change or modify my assessment of these two aspects.

Again I am not able to guess what you are driving at by your claim of "three time periods". For example, I accept the following sequence:


Again, I am at a loss as to your "3 time periods" and I am not sure that your superimposing these time periods on certain parts of Daniel will be correct.

Kind regards
Trevor

There are only three time period where we can place the actors or events found within the 12 chapters of Daniel. This is no mystery and should be easily accepted ... however, it is the actual placement of these verses that cause the misinterpretations and completely change the prophetic messages from God. There are two major weaknesses in "today's accepted interpretations," (whether they lay on the preterist side of the futurist side - both are guilty).

Everyone (yes everyone) attempts to interpret the Book of Daniel in a "historical" approach, that is, how well can they match up the actors and events in the verses in Daniel to those found in our history books. And I can assure you that it does not take very look before the actors and events found in our history book begins to drive our interpretations. The perfect example of this is almost the entire Chapter 11 where they look to the post Alexander kingdoms, kings, conflicts, etc., to match or contend they speak very clearly to the actors and verses in Daniel's 11. But Chapter 11 has nothing to do with any of those post Alexander actors or events. The 4th kingdom after Greece has been specifically identified in Chapters 2,7 and 8 as Rome, and a misunderstanding of a few verses in the early part of Chapter 11 will not change that.

The second major weakness in arriving at "today's accepted interpretations," is sort of related.... they fail to consider the verses are Messianic verses and do not apply to the 4 secular kingdoms. The 4 kingdoms are the structure where His plan of salvation will "run thought." The 4 kingdoms are not the story, the story is about the restoration of the Jews and His city and the coming of the Messiah WITHIN the most important prophecy in the Bible - the Chapter 9 prophecy. And a perfect example of this can be seen in 9:27, where the RCC in the 16th century devised a new interpretation claiming the "he" at the beginning of 9:27 is some mythical, supernatural boogeyman who will make an agreement with Israel but renege on it after 3.5 years (utterly ridiculous... but because of their breathe of power and teachings, they have been more than successful in teaching this theory to the children of the 16th century, their children, their children, etc. for some 400 years or so through their schools, universities, and of course, each Sunday. They were and still are very successful since now their church members also preach it.

So, there is no mystery of the three and only three time periods:

1) the first covers the first 70 years in exile from 606 - 538 BC.
2) the second period covers the 70 weeks of years prophecy from 457 BC to 33/34 AD, which of course, culminates in the arrival of the Messiah, His crucifixion, His "setting up" His sending of His Holy Spirit and of course, the "setting up" of His earthly church.
3) the third and final time period covers everything after the end of the 70 weeks of years prophecy from 33 /34 AD to His second coming.

Now, the major concern is that MOST interpreters have decided that MOST of the major prophetic verses in Daniel (the example given of 9:27) belong in the third time period. And further, they are always placed at the end of time - most of them have still yet to take place.
But in regards to 9:27 specifically, it is indeed a Messianic verse and it belongs in the last week of the 70 weeks of years prophecy - specifically, in the last week of the 70.

So, what is included in the 3rd time period of Daniel's 12 chapters? Do they in fact speak to the "end times?' Not really. Certainly, you will find true end time verss in Chapter 12, and you will also find end time verses at the end of Chapter 11, where the little horn, who comes to power around 530 AD will continue until the end, and you will also find verses thuat speak to the 3rd time period where the city and Temple are destroyed in 70 AD and how the little horn will come to power after the cross, but most of Daniel's verses in the 3rd time period speak from 33/34 AD to around 530 AD... that is it. No end time details or coming of 10 kingdoms such as the EU or 10 Muslim nations or anything of the sort. Daniel is written primarily for the Jews and Jerusalem after their return from Babylon and the coming of their Messiah before the end of the 70 weeks of years prophecy.

The lion's share of the Book of Daniel is within the 70 weeks of years prohecy. Much of Daniel physically takes place during the 70 years in Babylon, the most significant discussion relates to the Chapter 9 prophecy and then we have Chapter 11 speaking to the post cross period to the time (around 500 AD) when His church has grown throughout the Roman Empire and then is appropriated by the little horn after pagan Rome is slain and its body is destroyed (7:11).

So, that is probably a very bad "reader's digest" version of the distribution of the verses in the Book of Daniel. If you would like to receive a free copy of my commentary (came out last week) for your considertion, and I assure you it will provide all the details for the truly new interpretations of Daniel, please provide me with a mailing address, a PO Box so it can be directly sent to you from Amazon. This should be done in a private messagings within this site. If that is still a little uncomfortable for you, some folks have been willing to provide me with the mailing address and contact information of the church they belong to ...these same folks have requested that I might send two copies - one for them and one for their pastor.... No problem. It is an easy read.. it is 398 pages long and it literally took me 5 year to complete.

 

[Douggg]

But in regards to 9:27 specifically, it is indeed a Messianic verse and it belongs in the last week of the 70 weeks of years prophecy - specifically, in the last week of the 70.

Daniel 9:27 is a false messiah verse. Which is why "the messiah" is not in that verse, as being the one who confirms the covenant for 7 years..

Where is the Antichrist in Daniel 9 ? He is the prince that shall come.

 

[CTK]

Daniel 9:27 is a false messiah verse. Which is why "the messiah" is not in that verse, as being the one who confirms the covenant for 7 years..

Where is the Antichrist in Daniel 9 ? He is the prince that shall come.

Dougg, sorry to disagree, but Chapter 9 is about our Messiah and His death on the cross. There is no anti-christ figure in all of the Scriptures. There is a real evil one identified as the little horn in Chapters 7,8 ,9 and 11. He is the papacy who will appropriate His church by the end of the 540's AD.

The prince (small p) of the people who is to come is indeed the papacy who will come AFTER the people (pagan Roman army led by Titus in 70 AD) will succeed pagan Rome and establish papal Rome.

You are definitely convinced the "he" in 9:27 is "he" (whoever that might be), as opposed to "he" being "HE", the Messiah, the One who these verses prophecise about. Do you really believe the Book of Daniel or any other book in the Scriptures speaks of some supernatural boogeyman made up by the RCC in the 16th century? Is the Book of Daniel about the restoration of His people, His city and His first coming on the earth? Is there anything more important than what He will do for mankind during the 3.5 years of His earthly ministry?

 

[Douggg]

You are definitely convinced the "he" in 9:27 is "he" (whoever that might be), as opposed to "he" being "HE", the Messiah, the One who these verses prophecise about.

Actually what the text says is the 70 weeks are determined upon Daniel's people and Jerusalem.

There is a real evil one identified as the little horn in Chapters 7,8 ,9 and 11. He is the papacy who will appropriate His church by the end of the 540's AD.

The little horn person is time of the end, who is broken not by human hand, but by the Prince of princes - Jesus.

Has nothing to do with the Pope, nor the RCC, nor the 540's AD.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again CTK,

I have never heard that interpretation before.

This is the predominant view that I have heard in my fellowship for many years. I attended a Daniel home study class in 1966, with my brother-in-law as the speaker, and under the guidance of an older brother. My pencil notes on that occasion taken from his whiteboard are as follows:
Granicus: 334-333 War started
Issus: 331 Medes-Persians destroyed ... 2300=1966-1969
Primary vision concerns these dates

The Senior Brother did make the comment after the class "We consider great things are about to happen in the Middle East" and I assumed he was speaking about others in his home meeting. Now apart from the dramatic events of the Six-Day War, I did not particularly link these events with this prophecy of Daniel 8, but gradually some of our expositors highlighted this and also linked this with Luke 21:24. I accepted this in a general sense, but gradually filled in the detail, and now nearly 60 years later I am thoroughly convinced that this is what the 2300 is talking about.

I guess the best question to ask is what is to be accomplished during / by these 2300 days?

1967 marks an important step towards the final cleansing of the Sanctuary, when Christ returns to sit upon the Temple Throne of David in Jerusalem for the 1000 years Isaiah 2:1-4. Jerusalem is no longer in subjection to the Gentiles.

these 2300 days? Are they days or years? Does the fulfillment of the purpose behind this time prophecy require the conversion to years?

I consider that the 1260 of Daniel 7, the 2300 of Daniel 8, the 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel 9, and the three dates of Daniel 12 1260, 1290 and 1335 all need to be understood as years.

I have read the rest of your posts. I am a hoarder and collector of books, and one of the two librarians of our meeting, but I will defer asking for your book at this stage, especially as I am interested in how this thread will progress.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Jay Ross]

Hello,

It seems that this passage from Daniel 7:19-28 needs to have its time put in it logical placed in time: -

19 "Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet; 20 and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke pompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows.​

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21 "I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favour of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.​

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23 "Thus he said:​

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'The fourth beast shall be​

A fourth kingdom on earth,​

Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,​

And shall devour the whole earth,​

Trample it and break it in pieces. ​

24 The ten horns are ten kings​

Who shall arise from this kingdom.​

And another shall rise after them;​

He shall be different from the first ones,​

And shall subdue three kings. ​

25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,​

Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,​

And shall intend to change times and law.​

Then the saints shall be given into his hand​

For a time and times and half a time. ​

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26 'But the court shall be seated,​

And they shall take away his dominion,​

To consume and destroy it forever/at the end of his time. ​

27 Then the kingdom and dominion,​

And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,​

Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.​

His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,​

And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.' ​

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28 "This is the end of the account. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts greatly troubled me, and my countenance changed; but I kept the matter in my heart."​

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It is my understanding that passage occurs towards the very end of time for mankind. When the five beasts are judged, we are told in verse 11 and12 that: -

11 "I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time. ​

It is my view that verses 19-28 occurs after the beasts were kept alive for a season, while they were imprisoned in the Bottomless pit, and verse 19-28 describes what occurs during the period called a "time" in verse Daniel 7:12.

The period of time that is mentioned in Daniel 12 of a time, times and half a time in these verses: -

5 Then I, Daniel, looked; and there stood two others, one on this riverbank and the other on that riverbank. 6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, "How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?"​

7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.​

I understand "time" in verse 7 represents an age and the time, times and half a time period represents three and a half ages, from the middle of the fourth age to the end of the seventh age when the final judgement of mankind will occur that will separate the righteous from the unrighteous.

To put this into perspective, we are presently approaching the end of the sixth age.

What events occur at the end of the sixth age? Below is a list of some of the events that will occur in our near future after the end of the sixth age: -

1. The visitation of the iniquities of the fathers upon their children and the children's children ends after the completion oof the third and fourth age of the existence of the Israelites.
2. The completion of the 2,300-year time period of the Gentile Kings trampling God's sanctuary and His earthly Hosts.
3. The gathering of the Kings of the earth at Armageddon to be judged for their part, under the influence of the Little Horn, to trample God's Sanctuary and His earthly hosts.
4. The giving of the son of man dominion over all of the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him.
5. That during the time of these kings, that a rock comes down out of heaven to become the largest "mountain/religion" in all of the earth.
6. That God begins gathering the Israelites to Himself and plants them in His fertile field and begins teaching them about the greatest "mountain/religion" that He is establishing in Israel. That God will establish a covenant of Peace with Israel by the removal of the Beasts from the face of the earth for a season.
7. That God will make like new again with the nation of Israel, the Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possession Among the Nations Covenant which the nation of Israel had initially rebelled against at Mt Sinai

I am sure that there are more events that can be added to this list.

Remember that the Gog/Magog armies only come into reality after Satan, the five beasts and the imprisoned kings of the earth, are released from the Bottomless pit.

Shalom

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings Jay Ross,

Remember that the Gog/Magog armies only come into reality after Satan, the five beasts and the imprisoned kings of the earth, are released from the Bottomless pit.

The Gog/Magog armies of Ezekiel 38 are before the start of the 1000 years, while the Gog/Magog armies of Revelation 20 are at the end of the 1000 years.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Jay Ross]

Greetings Jay Ross,

The Gog/Magog armies of Ezekiel 38 are before the start of the 1000 years, while the Gog/Magog armies of Revelation 20 are at the end of the 1000 years.

Kind regards
Trevor

I am afraid that we hold very different views based on Ezekiel 38.

Ezekiel 38:7-17: -

7 "Prepare yourself and be ready, you and all your companies that are gathered about you; and be a guard for them. 8 After many days you will be visited. In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely. 9 You will ascend, coming like a storm, covering the land like a cloud, you and all your troops and many peoples with you."

10 'Thus says the Lord God: "On that day it shall come to pass that thoughts will arise in your mind, and you will make an evil plan: 11 You will say, 'I will go up against a land of unwalled villages; I will go to a peaceful people, who dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates' — 12 to take plunder and to take booty, to stretch out your hand against the waste places that are again inhabited, and against a people gathered from the nations, who have acquired livestock and goods, who dwell in the midst of the land. 13 Sheba, Dedan, the merchants of Tarshish, and all their young lions will say to you, 'Have you come to take plunder? Have you gathered your army to take booty, to carry away silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods, to take great plunder?'"'

14 "Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog, 'Thus says the Lord God: "On that day when My people Israel dwell safely, will you not know it? 15 Then you will come from your place out of the far north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great company and a mighty army. 16 You will come up against My people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land. It will be in the latter days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me, when I am hallowed in you, O Gog, before their eyes." 17 Thus says the Lord God: "Are you he of whom I have spoken in former days by My servants the prophets of Israel, who prophesied for years in those days that I would bring you against them?

NKJV​

I do not believe that the above verses are talking about our near future because Israel is not saved until after the Judged kings of the earth and the Heavenly Hosts are judged and imprisoned for many days, nominally for 1,000 years, in the {Bottomless} pit.

It is my understanding that the Gog/Magog armies in Ezekiel 38-39 is the same Gog/Magog armies written about in Revelation 20.

That is why I posted that the God/Magog battle is at the end of the 7th age after the Bottomless pit is unlocked to release Satan, the beast and the False Prophet/Little Horn.


Shalom

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Jay Ross,

I do not believe that the above verses are talking about our near future because Israel is not saved until after the Judged kings of the earth and the Heavenly Hosts are judged and imprisoned for many days

I am not sure of what you are saying here. The invasion from the North in Ezekiel 38 occurs after the return of the Jews to the Holy Land:

Ezekiel 38:7–9 (KJV): 7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them. 8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. 9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Jay Ross]

The invasion from the North in Ezekiel 38 occurs after the return of the Jews to the Holy Land:

Yes, I agree with you but even if the Ezekiel 38-39 Gog/Magog assault occur 1,000 plus years after the Armageddon judgement of the kings of the earth at the end of the sixth age. When God gathers the Israelites to Himself in Ezekiel 34 that He will plant the Israelites in the fertile soil of Israel/Christ and that He will teach them on the religion of Israel which has long been desolate and devastated by the continual idolatrous worship of many of the Israelite people.

For the Israelites to be a blessing for all of the peoples of the earth, they must remain scattered throughout the whole earth so that the gentiles can ask them which is the way to Mt. Zion.

Zech 8:22-23: -​

22 Yes, many peoples and strong nations​

Shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem,​

And to pray before the Lord.'​

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23 "Thus says the Lord of hosts: 'In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, "Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you."'"​

NKJV​

In reading scripture, it is also necessary to be able to discern when metaphorical language is being used, Ezekiel is full of metaphorical images that should not be understood literally.

Shalom

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Jay Ross,

Yes, I agree with you but even if the Ezekiel 38-39 Gog/Magog assault occur 1,000 plus years after the Armageddon judgement of the kings of the earth at the end of the sixth age.

I consider that the Battle of Armageddon and Ezekiel 38 are describing the same event, each giving additional detail.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Jay Ross]

Greetings again Jay Ross,

I consider that the Battle of Armageddon and Ezekiel 38 are describing the same event, each giving additional detail.

Kind regards
Trevor

Then we will just have to agree that neither of us is right if we disagree with each other. It would be best if we simply agreed to disagree.

Paul in Romans 11:25-26 tell us this: -

Rom 11:25-27

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:​

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"The Deliverer will come out of Zion,​

And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;​

27 For this is My covenant with them,​

When I take away their sins."​

NKJV​

Paul is indicating that Israel will not be saved until the fullness with respect to time of the 2,300 years of the time period of the Gentiles trampling God's sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts has been completed. The gathering of the Kings of the earth at Armageddon is so that God can judge the kings of the earth at the same time as God will judge the heavenly hosts in heaven and they will be gathered together and imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their punishment.

Israel will not be gathered by God to Himself and redeemed until after the Armageddon event and as such Ezekiel 38-39 cannot be a part of the Armageddon event.

I am content that I have placed the events that will occur around the end of the sixth age of mankind in the right place in time.

However, you can place the Ezekiel 38-39 near the beginning of the seventh age if that is your wish.

Shalom

 

[Douggg]

Then we will just have to agree that neither of us is right if we disagree with each other. It would be best if we simply agreed to disagree.

Paul in Romans 11:25-26 tell us this: -

Rom 11:25-27

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:​

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"The Deliverer will come out of Zion,​

And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;​

27 For this is My covenant with them,​

When I take away their sins."​

NKJV​

Paul is indicating that Israel will not be saved until the fullness with respect to time of the 2,300 years of the time period of the Gentiles trampling God's sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts has been completed. The gathering of the Kings of the earth at Armageddon is so that God can judge the kings of the earth at the same time as God will judge the heavenly hosts in heaven and they will be gathered together and imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their punishment.

Israel will not be gathered by God to Himself and redeemed until after the Armageddon event and as such Ezekiel 38-39 cannot be a part of the Armageddon event.

I am content that I have placed the events that will occur around the end of the sixth age of mankind in the right place in time.

However, you can place the Ezekiel 38-39 near the beginning of the seventh age if that is your wish.

Shalom

Jay, list the seven ages of mankind that you are talking about....

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[Jay Ross]

Jay, list the seven ages of mankind that you are talking about....

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Douggg, if you have no idea what the seven ages represent or when they occurred, then perhaps you need to review what it is that you actually believe since you hold to many man-made ideas.

Goodbye

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Jay Ross,

Then we will just have to agree that neither of us is right if we disagree with each other. It would be best if we simply agreed to disagree.

Yes.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Douggg]

Douggg, if you have no idea what the seven ages represent or when they occurred, then perhaps you need to review what it is that you actually believe since you hold to many man-made ideas.

Goodbye

Jay, I am not the one promoting different ages of mankind. You referred to 7 ages. So simply list what the 7 ages are that you are talking about.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, I am not the one promoting different ages of mankind. You referred to 7 ages. So simply list was the 7 ages are that you are talking about.

Simply put, the seven ages are time periods that the Lord God has put in place most likely of equal duration.

Hosea 6 speaks of three days of the lord, which, in my opinion each day of the lord has the same duration as an age, from the time of God turning his back upon the Israelites, for two of those ages while the third day of the Lord, the Israelites will be redeemed and worship the Lord God. The Book of Laminations 6 also speaks of this same time period.

In Daniel 12, he wrote about the three and a half "days of the Lord"/ages over which the wonders, that Daniel had seen in visions etc., would all be fulfilled after which in Daniel 7 we are told that the Little Horn etc. would be judged and receive their final punishment and the righteous in God would inherit the whole earth under the heavens.

The historical record from the time of the creation of Adam up and until the time of Daniel also spans a time period of three and a half ages/"Days of the Lord."

Now, I am sure that people have allocated fancy names to these seven-time periods of mankind that precedes the Age of Eternity, so perhaps you may know what these names are and can provide them, but for me allocating seven names to these seven ages is not necessary and does not change God's purposes or intent for each of the seven time periods.

Your demand is simply just a red herring to bolster your crazy theories which has to span eight ages by my maths.

Goodbye.

 

[Douggg]

Hosea 6 speaks of three days of the lord, which, in my opinion each day of the lord has the same duration as an age, from the time of God turning his back upon the Israelites, for two of those ages while the third day of the Lord, the Israelites will be redeemed and worship the Lord God. The Book of Laminations 6 also speaks of this same time period.

I did a kjv search on "the day of the Lord". Nothing in Hosea 6. That aside, I am trying to put the seven so called ages you are coming up with in list form. Clarify each, as to what you mean, and give a rough beginning year, or event(s), for each.

group 1

age 1. the day of the Lord in Hosea 6:?-?

age 2. the day of the Lord in Hosea 6:?-?

age 3. the day of the Lord in Hosea 6:?-?

In Daniel 12, he wrote about the three and a half "days of the Lord"/ages over which the wonders, that Daniel had seen in visions etc., would all be fulfilled after which in Daniel 7 we are told that the Little Horn etc. would be judged and receive their final punishment and the righteous in God would inherit the whole earth under the heavens.

The historical record from the time of the creation of Adam up and until the time of Daniel also spans a time period of three and a half ages/"Days of the Lord."

Jay, what you are calling ages - is not in the bible called "Days of the Lord".

Also, apparently, the seven so-called ages that you are coming up with are not all in sequence. But numerically, when totaled, are seven ages.

group 2 (the three and a half "days of the Lord"/ages)

age 1. beginning of Creation, Adam

age 2.

age 3.

age 3 1/2. ending at the time of Daniel

Now, I am sure that people have allocated fancy names to these seven-time periods of mankind that precedes the Age of Eternity, so perhaps you may know what these names are and can provide them, but for me allocating seven names to these seven ages is not necessary and does not change God's purposes or intent for each of the seven time periods.

Jay, dispensationalists (I am not a dispsationalist) have names for each of what they consider the seven sequential dispensations of how God has interacted with man.

You have your own approach. And even so, you have 6 1/2 ages, none of which are clearly defined. And the ages in your approach are not one group of sequential ages. But are at least two groups, overlapping.

So no-one can understand what you are talking about, because you have not organized and communicated in an understandable way. Take and fill in all the missing information for each of the ages, so as to make the age readily identifiable, using the format I provided in this post.

 

[Jay Ross]

I did a kjv search on "the day of the Lord". Nothing in Hosea 6. That aside, I am trying to put the seven so called ages you are coming up with in list form. Clarify each, as to what you mean, and give a rough beginning year, or event(s), for each.

group 1

age 1. the day of the Lord in Hosea 6:?-?

age 2. the day of the Lord in Hosea 6:?-?

age 3. the day of the Lord in Hosea 6:?-?



Jay, what you are calling ages - is not in the bible called "Days of the Lord".

Also, apparently, the seven so-called ages that you are coming up with are not all in sequence. But numerically, when totaled, are seven ages.

group 2 (the three and a half "days of the Lord"/ages)

age 1. beginning of Creation, Adam

age 2.

age 3.

age 3 1/2. ending at the time of Daniel



Jay, dispensationalists (I am not a dispsationalist) have names for each of what they consider the seven sequential dispensations of how God has interacted with man.

You have your own approach. And even so, you have 6 1/2 ages, none of which are clearly defined. And the ages in your approach are not one group of sequential ages. But are at least two groups, overlapping.

So no-one can understand what you are talking about, because you have not organized and communicated in an understandable way. Take and fill in all the missing information for each of the ages, so as to make the age readily identifiable, using the format I provided in this post.

Douggg, when you can actually quote my words correctly, then you may be able to understand what I have written.

HERE ARE THE DATE FOR THE SEVEN POINTS THAT I HAD MADE IN #27: -

This quoted portion of a previous post # 27 has been edited to add some dates as to when I would expect the events to occur.

1. The visitation of the iniquities of the fathers upon their children and the children's children ends after the completion of the third and fourth age of the existence of the Israelites. From 4BC until 2044 AD
   
2. The completion of the 2,300-year time period of the Gentile Kings trampling God's sanctuary and His earthly Hosts. The 2,300 years of the Little Horn being given armies to trample God's Sanctuary and His earthly hosts, began around the year 256 BC and will end around the year 2044 BC
   
   
3. The gathering of the Kings of the earth at Armageddon to be judged for their part, under the influence of the Little Horn, to trample God's Sanctuary and His earthly hosts. Around the year 2044 AD.
4. The giving of the son of man dominion over all of the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him. Around the year 2044 AD.
   
   
5. That during the time of these kings, that a rock comes down out of heaven to become the largest "mountain/religion" in all of the earth. Around the year 2044 AD.
   
   
6. That God begins gathering the Israelites to Himself and plants them in His fertile field and begins teaching them about the greatest "mountain/religion" that He is establishing in Israel. That God will establish a covenant of Peace with Israel by the removal of the Beasts from the face of the earth for a season. Begins after the year 2044 AD and will continue until about the year 3068 AD.
   
   
7. That God will make like new again with the nation of Israel, the Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possession Among the Nations Covenant which the nation of Israel had initially rebelled against at Mt Sinai. God will renew the Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possession among the Nations covenant after the year 2044 AD and this covenant will continue until the year 3068 AD.

Additional dates: -

• The time that the kings of the earth and the heavenly hosts will be imprisoned in the Bottomless pit will begin around the year 2044 AD and will end around the year 3044 AD
• Many of the events recorded in the Book of Revelation will begin in the year 3044 AD after the Bottomless pit is unlocked, and ends with the start of the time of the final judgement around the year 3068 AD.

Shalom