Blind Guides and Deluded Followers

[Keraz]

Isaiah 9:16-19 Those who guide My people have led them astray and those who follow them are deluded. Therefore the Lord will show no mercy to the youths or pity the widows and fatherless. They are a nation of godless evildoers, everyone speaks impiety. For all this, His anger has not abated.

The ungodly are set ablaze, like a fire it consumes the briars and thorns. It sets the forests ablaze and all is wrapped in a pall of smoke. The land is scorched by the fury of the Lord and the people will be fuel for the fire.

Isaiah 8:9-10 Take note you nations: You will be shattered. Listen all you distant parts of the earth, arm yourselves and be defeated, prepare for battle and be shattered. Devise your plans, but they will be foiled, prepare what you will, but it will not be carried out.

Isaiah 10:17-19 The Light of Israel will be become a fire, their Holy One, a flame – which in one Day will burn up and consume His thorns and briars. The beauty of the forests and pastures will be suddenly devastated and only a remnant will remain.

Isaiah 13:9-13 The Day of the Lord is coming, that cruel Day of wrath and fierce anger, a Day of darkness to reduce the [holy] Land to a desolation and to destroy the wicked there. The Lord will punish the world for its evil, the wicked and proud peoples will be cut down. Humans will be as scarce as gold, as rare as the gold of Ophir. The sky will tear apart and the earth will be moved from its place at the wrath of the Lord Almighty, on the Day of His blazing anger.
Ref: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.

These Bible prophecies say it all, how the unjust and godless peoples will be brought to account, those ‘thorns and briars’, that is: those who despise the Lord’s people and try to take over the holy Land: will be punished. Ezekiel 28:24 & 30:1-5, Jeremiah 12:14

This is prophesied to be carried out by the means of a terrible judgement of fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis, which will be fulfilled literally by a Coronal Mass Ejection from the sun: ‘tearing apart the sky’. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1 That will ‘reduce the land to desolation’, and ‘cut down all the proud and wicked peoples’. Their plans against the Lord’s people will not be carried out. Deut. 32:22&34-35, Psalms 83:1-18, Psalms 7:12-16, Jer. 49:34-37, Rev. 6:12-17

But, after this sudden and shocking event, those who love the Lord and keep His Commandments, every born again Christian, have His amazing promises of the regeneration of the Holy Land, where they will gather and live in peace and security. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Jeremiah 33:12-13, Isaiah 66:12-21, Joel 2:21-24

 

[Jack]

Israel wannabees:

Zechariah 14:12
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

 

[quietthinker]

Blind Guides and Deluded Followers​

One definition of projection..... 'the unconscious transfer of one's desires or emotions to another person'

 

[Earburner]

Israel wannabees:

Zechariah 14:12
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

Question: which Jerusalem?
1. The Jerusalem that now is, being in bondage with her children, and "is fallen", aka "The daughter of Zion"?

2. The Heavenly Jerusalem [Zion], that is free, being above, which is the mother of us all [who are the children of faith]?

Did you know that in all of the NT scriptures, there are only TWO mothers that are prophetically spoken of?

 

[Jack]

Question: which Jerusalem?
1. The Jerusalem that now is, being in bondage with her children, and "is fallen", aka "The daughter of Zion"?

2. The Heavenly Jerusalem [Zion], that is free, being above, which is the mother of us all [who are the children of faith]?

Did you know that in all of the NT scriptures, there are only TWO mothers that are prophetically spoken of?

Do you know where Jesus will return and FIGHT for?

 

[BlessedPeace]

Zion has a fallen daughter?

 

[Keraz]

Daughters and sons of Zion:
Zechariah 9:9-12 Rejoice with all your heart, Daughter of Zion. Your King is coming, mounted on a donkeys colt. He has won the victory.\
[ The first coming of the Lord Jesus. He has defeated death ]

He will banish all weapons of war and proclaim peace to the nations. His Rule will extend over all the earth.
As for My covenant people, I will free the captives. On this Day, I shall restore a double portion to you.
After His second coming – His Millennial rule. His faithful people restored and blessed.

Zechariah 9:13-17 Judah and Ephraim, the sons of Zion – I have made you like a warriors sword, prepared for battle against the Gentiles.
Must be before His second coming, as weapons are prepared for battle.
Judah = the Jews. Ephraim = the 10 tribes scattered around the world.

The Lord will appear over them. [ Before His Glorious return.]
His arrow will flash like lightning. [ A coronal mass ejection, sunstrike.]

The Lord will sound the trumpet and advance with the storm winds of the South. [The Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath. Ezekiel 20:47-48 ]
His troops will be protected, they will exult and destroy the enemy.
A great Day of battle, the evil neighbours of Israel destroyed. Jeremiah 12:14

On that Day, the Lord will save His people, like a flock. They will sparkle In His Land, like jewels in His crown.
After this event, all of His faithful Christian people will live in all of the holy Land.

What wealth is theirs! What beauty!
Plenty of good food and wine for all His people.
Reference; Revised English Bible, verses abridged.

 

[Earburner]

Do you know where Jesus will return and FIGHT for?

KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10 is a simultaneous event, all within 24 hours. Luke 17:26-30.
(Gen. 7:11-13; Gen. 19:15, 23, 27-28).

2 Thes. 1
[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us,  WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction [perdition] from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
[10] WHEN he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

 

[Earburner]

Daughters and sons of Zion:
Zechariah 9:9-12 Rejoice with all your heart, Daughter of Zion. Your King is coming, mounted on a donkeys colt. He has won the victory.\
[ The first coming of the Lord Jesus. He has defeated death ]

He will banish all weapons of war and proclaim peace to the nations. His Rule will extend over all the earth.
As for My covenant people, I will free the captives. On this Day, I shall restore a double portion to you.
After His second coming – His Millennial rule. His faithful people restored and blessed.

Zechariah 9:13-17 Judah and Ephraim, the sons of Zion – I have made you like a warriors sword, prepared for battle against the Gentiles.
Must be before His second coming, as weapons are prepared for battle.
Judah = the Jews. Ephraim = the 10 tribes scattered around the world.

The Lord will appear over them. [ Before His Glorious return.]
His arrow will flash like lightning. [ A coronal mass ejection, sunstrike.]

The Lord will sound the trumpet and advance with the storm winds of the South. [The Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath. Ezekiel 20:47-48 ]
His troops will be protected, they will exult and destroy the enemy.
A great Day of battle, the evil neighbours of Israel destroyed. Jeremiah 12:14

On that Day, the Lord will save His people, like a flock. They will sparkle In His Land, like jewels in His crown.
After this event, all of His faithful Christian people will live in all of the holy Land.

What wealth is theirs! What beauty!
Plenty of good food and wine for all His people.
Reference; Revised English Bible, verses abridged.

Though you and most others here may not understand it at first, the works of God through Jesus' first appearance, upto His Glorious return, are being "spiritually" hinted at in Zech. (John 5:39; 1 Cor. 2:13).

KJV Zech. 9
[9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King [Jesus] cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
[10] And I [God] will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off [Titus in 70AD]: and he [Jesus and all His disciples] shall speak peace [the Gospel message] unto the heathen [unsaved]: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth [gospel preached to all the nations].

[11] As for thee also [people of Israel] by the blood of thy [New testament] covenant I have sent [delivered] forth thy prisoners out of the pit [the graves] wherein is no water [no Holy Spirit]. Malachi 3:16; Mat. 27:51-53; Rev. 6:9-11.
[12] Turn you [repent] to the strong hold [Jesus], ye [graveyard] prisoners of hope [faith]: even to day do I declare that I will render double unto thee
[first, eternal life- 1 John 5:11-13, then second, eternal immortality- 1 Cor. 15:53-54];

 

[Earburner]

Zion has a fallen daughter?

Yes, that is what God calls earthly Jerusalem, that now is.
Jerusalem and its temple building were destroyed in 70 AD.
John wrote the book of Rev. In 96AD. Therefore, he was very aware of its destruction.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Yes, that is what God calls earthly Jerusalem, that now is.
Jerusalem and its temple building were destroyed in 70 AD.
John wrote the book of Rev. In 96AD. Therefore, he was very aware of its destruction.

It is debated as to when Revelation was written.

The seven suffering churches for instance is thought to refer to the time of Nero. That would be in 64 A.D.

 

[Keraz]

Blind Watchmen:
Isaiah 56:9-12 All you beasts of the open country and the forest, come and eat your fill. For all of Israel’s watchmen are blind, perceiving nothing, they are all as dumb dogs that cannot bark, dreaming and sleeping. They are like greedy dogs that can never be satisfied, they are shepherds unable to understand the truth, as they go their own way. They say: Come let us fetch wine, strong drink and we will swill it down. The future will be the same as today or better still!

Isaiah 29:9-12 If you confuse yourself, you will stay confused, if you blind yourself, you will stay blinded. Be drunk, but not with wine, for the Lord has poured upon you a spirit of deep stupor. He has closed the prophetic vision and sealed the means of discerning the future to you.

Jeremiah 14:11-13 The Lord said to me: Do not pray for the wellbeing of this people. Though they fast and worship Me, [but not in spirit and in truth] I shall not listen to their cry on the Day of My punishment. But Lord – their leaders and pastors say to them: you will not face the terrible sword of judgement and they preach prosperity and escape from tribulation.

Jeremiah 14:14-16 The Lord answered me: These are lies that your leaders are misleading the people with. I have not sent them, I have not given them My commission, or spoken to them. They are giving out false teachings, useless advice and their own foolish daydreams.

Therefore, I say about those teachers and pastors who speak falsely in My Name, they will meet their end in My Day of wrath, I shall pour down upon them the disaster they deserve.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 The time will come when people will not stand sound teaching, but each will go after their own desires and will only listen to teachers who give pleasant and easy outcomes. People will refuse to listen to true scriptural teaching. They will only believe fables and fanciful notions. 1 Timothy 1:7
Ref: REB.

‘Beasts of the field’, foreigners, non Israelites. Those who have ‘encroached onto the holy Land’. Jeremiah 12:14

‘Israel’s watchmen perceive nothing’, the veil that hides the true knowledge of God’s Word is upon them and todays teachers, because of false beliefs. 2 Peter 2:1-3

‘If you confuse yourself, you will stay confused’, Even when the truth is presented to people who think they have it all sorted, they just cannot see it. Jeremiah 6:10

‘They preach prosperity, the prosperity theology that gives a sense of false security and escape from tribulation’, The very wrong and pretentious idea of a mythical pre tribulation rapture, that lulls people into thinking they need do nothing.
Be sure: that terrible Day will come upon everyone. Luke 21:35, 1 Peter 4:12

‘People will refuse to listen to true scriptural teaching’, 2 Peter 2:1-3, Matthew 24:4

My Day of wrath: The great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. Rev 6:12-17, Zephaniah i:14-18, 2 Peter 3:7 The next prophesied event to happen.

But for those who make the effort to overcome the false teachings, the fictional books that proliferate on the book stalls and all the rubbish on the internet, there is hope: Psalms 78:1-8, Isaiah 55:1-3, Psalms 25:8-9, Psalms 27:11-12, Psalms 32:8, 2 Peter 1:19

Have nothing to do with superstitious myths, mere old wives tales. 1 Timothy 4:7

 

[Keraz]

Wisdom of Solomon 6:1-6 Hear now you leaders, take this to heart, learn this lesson, all you who lead My people. Your authority was bestowed upon you by the Lord, your power comes from the Most High, He will probe your actions and scrutinize your intentions. Though you are servants, appointed by the King, you have not been upright judges and priests; you have not maintained the Law or guided your steps by the will of God. Swiftly and terribly He will descend upon you, for judgement falls relentlessly on those in high positions. The lowly and humble may find pity and forgiveness, but those in authority will be called to account. REBible Apoc.

 

[Reddsta]

Question: which Jerusalem?
1. The Jerusalem that now is, being in bondage with her children, and "is fallen", aka "The daughter of Zion"?

No worries...just casually strolling through and noticed something I have not considered before...that's all.

"The daughter of Zion?"...humm...attributed to the "bond woman"..."flesh"..."Old Covenant"..."Mt. Sinai who bears children who are to be slaves" perhaps you can explain what you mean here?

Redd...:)

 

[Keraz]

Hosea 1:10-11 The Israelites will be as countless as the sands of the sea. The time will come when it will no longer be said of them; ‘You are not My people’, and they will be called ‘Children of the Living God’. The people of Judah and Israel will be reunited and will choose for themselves one leader, they will prosper in the Land, for great will be the Day of Jezreel. Romans 9:24-27
Choose their leader; before the Return of Jesus. Jezreel means punishment, this refers to the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, that will clear the Land for this reunion and for the Lord’s favour to His people. Isaiah 10:22, Ezekiel 35:15-27, Jeremiah 30:21

Hosea 3:4-5 The Israelites will be for a long time without a King or leader and without the Temple sacrifices, or the sacred observances. After that, they will again seek the Lord and their Davidic King. All Israel will turn with reverence to their God and seek His favour for the days to come. Isaiah 55:6-7, Psalm 105:1-5

Hosea 12:6-9 Turn back by God’s help, maintain loyalty and justice and wait continually for your God. Ephraim says; surely I have become rich, I am strong and prosperous, sin will not be found in me. The Lord says; From your days in Egypt, I am still your God, you will live in tents yet again, as you did in the Exodus.

Ephraim, the leader of the ten Northern tribes: the House of Israel, among the Western nations, is strong and prosperous. They believe their kind of worship will save them. Isaiah 2:6-8, Isaiah 58:1-5

Hosea 2:13 I shall punish her [Israel] for her sins against Me, when forgetful of Me, she ran off to worship other gods. Ezekiel 4:4-6, Leviticus 26:18
Punishment by exile for a decreed time, now nearly completed.

Hosea 14:9 Let the wise consider these things and let the prudent acknowledge them. The Lord’s Laws are right and His people obey them, but sinners fall. Isaiah 1:27-28

 

[Keraz]

Isaiah 42:9 You that are deaf - hear now. Look you blind, and see! The earlier prophecies have come to pass, now I declare new things:

Isaiah 42:10-12 Sing a new song to the Lord, sing His praises throughout the world, you that sail the seas and you that inhabit the coasts and islands. Let the wilderness settlements rejoice in Kedar and Sela.

Isaiah 42:13-15 Long have I restrained Myself and kept silence, but now I cry out like a woman in labour. Now I shall lay waste to the hills and dry up the watercourses. The Lord will go forth as a warrior, He will raise the battle cry and triumph over His enemies.

Isaiah 42:16-24 You that are deaf, hear now, look you blind and see! Who is as blind as the one who has My trust, so deaf as the servant of the Lord? You have seen much but perceived little, your ears are open, but you hear nothing. I shall lead the blind along paths they do not know, making smooth the way, but those who trust in idols will be turned back in shame. It pleased the Lord to further His justice, to make His Law great. Yet, here is a people taken as spoil and plundered, all hidden away with no hope of rescue. Who will pay heed to this? Who was it that handed Israel over? Who gave up Israel for spoil? It was the Lord, against whom they sinned for they refused obedience to His Laws.

Isaiah 42 :25 So, onto Jacob He poured His wrath. The flames of God’s wrath burned him, yet still they did not take it to heart.
Isaiah 43:1-2 But now, Jacob, this is the word of the Lord, of Him who created you: When you pass through waters, I will be with you. When you walk through fire, you will not be scorched.

Isaiah 43:3-4 I am the Holy One of Israel, your Deliverer. Because I love you, I will give other peoples as ransom for your life.
Isaiah 43:5-7 Have no fear, for I am with you. I shall bring your descendants from the East and West. From the North and South and the ends of the earth, everyone who bears My name, all who I have made for My glory.

Isaiah 43:8 Lead out those who are blind – a people who have eyes, but cannot see, who have ears, but cannot hear.

Isaiah 43:9 The nations are gathered. Which of them foretold former things? Or can interpret this for us? Let them prove their case, so we can see if it is true.

Isaiah 43:10-13 You are My witnesses, says the Lord. You are My servants, chosen by Me, so that you may understand that I am God alone. I am the Lord and I alone am your Deliverer. What I do, no one can undo.
Reference: Revised English Bible, some verses abridged

42:10-12 All those who love the Lord, throughout the world – get ready to praise Him for their deliverance.

42:13-15 The Lord has restrained Himself, but soon He will act in the world. Psalms 50:1-6

42:16-17 His People, righteous Christians, the Israelites of God, will be led into the Promised Land. Anyone who revolts and rebels cannot enter. Ezekiel 20:37-38

42:18-20 & 43:8 The Lord’s servants are unable to understand prophecy or foresee His plans for them. Jeremiah 4:22, Jeremiah 6:10 That is how God wants it.

42:22-25 His people, the faithful Christians, are scattered among the nations by the Lord, as punishment for the sins of their spiritual forefathers 2 Kings 23:27, Galatians 3:26-29

43:1-7 But now, when the Lord sends His vengeance and fiery wrath, the Lord will protect His faithful people. . They will be gathered into the Promised Land. Zechariah 10:8-10, Isaiah 35,, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26 The unbelievers of Israel, will not. Ezekiel 20:34-38

43:9-13 The other nations are ignorant of the Lord’s plans. The faithful Christians are His witnesses and servants chosen by Him, so they will know God and spread the Gospel of the soon to come, Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19, 1 Peter 2:9-10

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[Ronald Nolette]

But, after this sudden and shocking event, those who love the Lord and keep His Commandments, every born again Christian, have His amazing promises of the regeneration of the Holy Land, where they will gather and live in peace and security. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Jeremiah 33:12-13, Isaiah 66:12-21, Joel 2:21-24

Saved Jews will live in teh Holy land, We as the bride of Christ will be in heaven during the millenial kingdom!

John 14

King James Version

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14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Jesus went to heaven to prepare a place for us in His and our Fathers house! Just like the Jews of Jesus day did when they were getting wed!

 

[Keraz]

Saved Jews will live in teh Holy land, We as the bride of Christ will be in heaven during the millenial kingdom!

Well, you are definitely telling God what you want Him to do!

Explain the scriptures that say Gods people will be present on earth until Jesus Returns; Daniel 7:26, Revelation 13:7 and Rev 12:14 and 17 proves the entire body of Christian peoples are divided into 2 groups, both on earth.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Well, you are definitely telling God what you want Him to do!

Explain the scriptures that say Gods people will be present on earth until Jesus Returns; Daniel 7:26, Revelation 13:7 and Rev 12:14 and 17 proves the entire body of Christian peoples are divided into 2 groups, both on earth.

No I am just repeating what god in HIs inspired word said He is going to do.

YOu retranslate and reinterpret Gods Word because of your replacement theology variation belief.

Israel is returning to Israel in unbelief just as God foretold in Ezekiel and Zech.

The land of Israel belong to the saved descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as an eternal possession according to the Word of God.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Saved Jews will live in teh Holy land, We as the bride of Christ will be in heaven during the millenial kingdom!

John 14​

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King James Version​

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14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Jesus went to heaven to prepare a place for us in His and our Fathers house! Just like the Jews of Jesus day did when they were getting wed!

Why do you try to separate the ones Jesus brought together as one through His blood?

Ephesians 2:11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. 19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.