BarneyFife
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Thank you, no, but I'm very familiar with the story, and I can't see what good a Hollywood movie about spiritualistic devotion could possibly do. I believe in Jesus and His Word—not apparitions and sentimentalism.
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Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author
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Thank you, no, but I'm very familiar with the story, and I can't see what good a Hollywood movie about spiritualistic devotion could possibly do. I believe in Jesus and His Word—not apparitions and sentimentalism.
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Behold
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Who told you to "believe in apparitions and sentimentalism"?
I just suggested you watch this somewhat amazing movie.
So, There are a few "out there" that transcend "movie" and become something truly more..
For Example., here are 3.
"Jesus of Nazareth"..
"The Song of Bernadette".
"Letters : The untold story of Mother Teresa".
So, its fine if you want to give it a hard pass.., np. @BarneyFife
As for me, i find that the lives of "Visionaries" and similar, who have existed, are my personal "wheelhouse".
Some of the greatest SAINTS, were not the most Theologically perfect....but they existed in a LIGHT of Revelation, that God gave them, and its as real as Heaven.
St. Bernadette Soubirous had such an amazing encounter.
Others would be :
St. Francis
Jeanne Guyon
Mary Of Egypt
Hildegard of Bingen
Margeurite Porette
Bernard of Clairvaux
Margeurite Porette
BarneyFife
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Behold
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Behold
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Well, here is the thing..
The "cult of the Virgin"... took this Girl and turned her into their "Virgin Mary Theater"", which Bernadette even stated, and hated.
They made a "Cult" out of Bernadette Soubirous, to try to further their "Mary Obsession" Theology.
They used her this way.....as they try to do with all their "canonized" "Saints".
Bernadette, never claimed that "the Lady in the Lourdes Grotto" was the Virgin Mary... So, the Catholic Cult, did it for her..
She said the visitation wasn't...the Virgin Mary.
So....This is the unfortunate (Catholic) = rewriting of the Bernadette Soubirous HISTORY , that tries to hide the actual spiritual experiences that Bernadette experienced, 15 times.
"The cult of the virgin"... came in and took over.....they rewrote her story, they bought the entire area of the Lourdes "Grotto" where Bernadette had the 15 Visitations.. and they turned it into a "come see the Virgin", money grab...$$$$$$$ by getting a French Sculptor to sculpt a Virgin Mary Statue and place it in that "Spot", where Bernadette had the actual encounters with "The Beautiful Lady" in front of up to 5000 people, the last 10 times...
So, the "cult of the Virgin" recreated "Bernadette" into their usual self aggrandizing throne of lies... and this continues until this very day.
So, thats the false story.
The real story are the BIO book(s)... many...Including her own writings ..., and also what Bernadette says in the Movie that is taken from one of the best available Bios...written by a JEW.
And... until the end of her life, she spent it in a Convent working 7 days a week, nursing the sick.
She was 35 when she died.
So, HER Story, is not the Catholic " Mary recreation" nonsense...., and its HER Story that is beautiful and the movie does capture this, yet, it has some definite Catholic undertones... .and i just ignore them. I just put that "Mary stuff" on = Ignore., and take in the mystical aura of this beautiful and quite spiritual movie.
Here is a actual photo of Bernadette... probably from around '1870.
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Do you find it interesting that th O.T. people of Israel magnified God's name, and our translators won't even print His name from the manuscripts?
Runningman
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Whether or not someone intentionally created this problem, it still exists. Removing "Yahweh" or "Jehovah" from our bibles has allowed readers to begin confusing God with the Son of God.
Doesn't the article "the" precede the name Yahweh in the Bible? Would you prefer "the Yahweh" to "the LORD"?
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No, the article "the" is not in front of "Yahweh" in the original source manuscripts.
Rella ~ I am a woman
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Remember to read right to left.
It would be Yahweh God from Yahweh Elohim.
Do you remember Elohim refers to plural "gods" ?????
One possibility is
So, why the plural form if the referent is singular? The best answer is that this is an "honorific plural," that is to say, a plural used to show honor to a singular referent. Such an honorific plural is used for humans in texts like 1Kings 1:43, where we read, "our lord King David." The Hebrew word translated "lord" in this case is plural, even though it refers to the singular David. This honorific plural is also used of God elsewhere in texts like Psalm 8:1, where we read, "O LORD, our Lord…." In this text "LORD" (small caps) translates YHWH, while "Lord" translates a common noun for "master," which is in this text plural in form though referring to the singular YHWH. So Psalm 8:1 could be translated "O YHWH, our Master…."
So, YWHW is the true God's personal name, and Elohim by itself is simply the Hebrew common noun used to refer to the true God in an honorific way. Now, what about the combination YHWH Elohim?
First, YHWH Elohim cannot mean "Lord of Gods." This is the case for a fundamental grammatical reason. In Hebrew there is a special grammatical relationship between two nouns called the construct state. The construct state is the Hebrew way of expressing all the relationships that English expresses with the simple word "of." So in Hebrew when one noun, for example, "king," is in construction with a second noun, for example, "Israel," we could translate this phrase, "king of Israel." The problem with YHWH Elohim is that Hebrew grammar does not permit a proper noun to be put in construction with a common noun, so YHWH Elohim cannot mean "YHWH/Lord of Gods." In addition, when Elohim refers to the true God, it is singular and so translated "God" and not "Gods."
Second, the relationship between YHWH and Elohim in the combination YHWH Elohim is one of apposition, that is to say the second noun is placed immediately after the first noun to provide some sort of further definition or explanation. The significance of this can be seen in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. In Genesis 1 only Elohim is used to refer to deity. This is no doubt because of the universal perspective of this creation story. In Genesis 2, on the other hand, deity is referred to as YHWH Elohim. These two accounts converge to affirm that YHWH (the God of Israel) and not any other ancient Near Eastern deity is Elohim (the universal God).
So then, YHWH Elohim does not mean "Lord of Gods...the one of many," but means that YHWH, the personal God who rules over Israel, is at one and the same time the universal God who rules over all.
OR... Just an idea that shall not be discussed... (see my signature)
Could Yahweh God / Yahweh Elohim.. plural to singular be the indication of the Trinity?
As I understand it, Elohim refers to all the gods. The God we serve is the primary, or highest god. (elohim)
Did Jesus tell the Pharisees that they were gods? - John 10:34
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Rella ~ I am a woman
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Ok.... Then why is it here??????//As I understand it, Elohim refers to all the gods. The God we serve is the primary, or highest god. (elohim)
Did Jesus tell the Pharisees that they were gods? - John 10:34
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[c]? - John 10:34 NIV This interesting interchange between Jesus and his Jewish opponents (Pharisees?) leaves me wondering what Jesus was trying to say about his Jewish opponents, or anyone for that matter. Seems...
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Runningman
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yes exactly and the beginning reader or casual reader may not immediately find the difference based on word usage. I believe it's a conspiracy since they did deliberately decide to translate and publish the Bible the way it is in the majority of English versions. The strategy is to at least muddy the waters. Truth seekers will eventually find with certainty that the Lord is not equal to the LORD.
Psalm 110
1{A Psalm of David.}
The LORD said unto my Lord,
Sit thou at my right hand,
until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
I have encountered some that I thought had fallen into this trap.
I asked them, "What would become of your faith if you put your whole library out on the curb on trash day?"
The guilty are left mostly speechless. Or, alternatively VERY angry. How come?
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Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author
I asked them, "What would become of your faith if you put your whole library out on the curb on trash day?"
The guilty are left mostly speechless. Or, alternatively VERY angry. How come?
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