Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

[BarneyFife]

Its not designed for me.
Its designed for that member who has no faith in the word of God because they were led to believe the lie that "the bible is fine, but if you want to know the truth, then go to the Original Greek (that does not exist).... that you also can't read,""

So, many are under deceived by this situation.



Its true that some people believe that what Jesus said is "finished" on The Cross,....... is not eternal for them.

Avoid them., especially if they are found in a Pulpit or in a commentary or on a Forum.



The Bible is not an Idol, its a living spiritual message. Its the """word of Truth that endures forever".

You dont have to believe this...but i do.

Also... an Idol, would be "Calvin" and that is why you find so many of his Disciples wanting to spread His doctrine of devils, all over Forums,,........ for example.
So, that is not of God, and they dont realize it, because when you are "bewitched" you are under the spell.

Welcome to Calvinism, and similar "doctrines of devils".... Hebrew 13:9

Who could've predicted you'd respond to every paragraph but this one:

The truth is, however, that no one idolizes the Bible—only their cherished opinions of what it says.

After all, drawing any attention to it would have spoiled your straw man posturing.

I really like the Calvinism red herring, too—nice touch.

FWIW, I do fully concur with your comments about "originals." Unfortunately, I doubt you're interested in agreements.

I just love chatting with you. Remember years ago when you rallied the troops to denounce me as a Paul-hater? Good times...

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[St. SteVen]

From my perspective, I think people idolize the Bible because they have possibly misunderstood that the Word of God is actually God. Then the Bible is referred to as the word of God. Therefore the Bible is mistaken to be God. "The Word is God" and the "word of God" are used in different senses and I am sure it wasn't the writer's intention that anyone think scrolls, books, words, or spoken words are actually themselves Lord God Almighty, Creator of the universe. Alas, we do have strict literalists and idolatry is able to be pardoned in the New Covenant.

Agree.
It even bugs me when people call the Bible "God's Word". I might ask, Are you referring to an English translation of a Greek text back-translated from Latin into modern paraphrased English? - LOL

No chance anything could have gone wrong there. ???

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[St. SteVen]

@St. SteVen

I dislike universalism but Im usually not so rude about it. I harshly criticized the ideology and its adherents, then put you on ignore without reading your response. It felt good at the time but only because of the stress going on in my life. I made christian universalism into a verbal punching bag.

It was not okay to do that regardless of personal issues. Words spoken have consequences even if we regret them later.
You do contribute value to this forum.

I apologize. Ill remove what I said in that post from that thread now.

Thank you. I REALLY appreciate your post. I'll be out of the hospital in a few weeks. The skin grafts from my burns are taking well. So, that's good news. - LOL

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[Behold]

BarneyFife said:
The truth is, however, that no one idolizes the Bible—only their cherished opinions of what it says.


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I can't speak for your particular point of view, regarding how you feel about the Bible., unless you become a bible corrector, and then you've proven your own low regard you have for God's word.

So, as for me...I can only claim that before i knew any theology, before i became a "follower of Paul as He follows Christ" as Paul instructs all real believers......... all i knew is that once i was lost, but now im found, and i KNEW Who found me, because i had given Him my Trust in His Holy Son and He changed my heart and redirected my life, as i follow Him until i die.. or am Raptured.

Now, many many yrs later, after ive studied much, and learned much and have seen much.... i can testify that God is on every Page of the Bible.
Jesus is on every page of the Holy Scriptures.
I can testify that what God says in the Bible, is God breathed Truth.

The Bible is so much more then just a book. Its Alive.

I recall that when i was first called into the Ministry back in 1986-87, God gave me many confirmations, signs.
I saw them, for about 2 yrs.
I still had not become a devout student of Paul's Epistles, and in 1991, i was on the way, and working for a company as a specific type of Industrial Draftsman.
This company was located inside a large "mill" and there was a "canteen".... where 40-60 men came each day to eat their lunch or dinner.
I would sit in this room, usually with 2 people at my table..., and open my NT, and read it, and from the first day, till 16months later when i left that employment..., i would do this every day, and every single time i opened the word of God in that room, i could see and discern the atmosphere change.
All i had to do was open the word of God, and the power that is in that spiritual book, would cause all those men in that room to feel it.


The Bible is indeed going to endure forever.....long after all the mockers and fools and similar have had their "say" on "forums" and from "pulpits" and on "TV".

Believe it.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

It even bugs me when people call the Bible "God's Word"

I wonder why…

I might ask, Are you referring to an English translation of a Greek text back-translated from Latin into modern paraphrased English? - LOL

The word of God is the sword of the Spirit (Ephesians 6:17).

It is a very important weapon against Satan and the tendencies of our evil flesh.

You are in darkness and you don’t even know it…

 

[Wynona]

Thank you. I REALLY appreciate your post. I'll be out of the hospital in a few weeks. The skin grafts from my burns are taking well. So, that's good news. - LOL

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Praise God! That's great news. Hospitals aren't like home at all.

 

[Carl Emerson]

You showed up with the "Originals".

Remember?

I then explained the issue with that "manuscript" falsehood, by showing you some facts about those false "originals".

And you should do a deep dive into the lives of Westcott and Hort, and then you'll be able to discover some "issues" with that horrible NIV regarding WHY they exist.

I said it was an expression - referring to the Greek Interlinear is hardly a sin.

What translation do you consider is the most dependable ?

By the way - do you really think that having the right translation is salvific ?

Do you really think gleaning the rudiments of the faith from the NIV will send you to hell ?

 

[Behold]

I said it was an expression - referring to the Greek Interlinear is hardly a sin.

You said that after i pointed out to you that there are no "originals".

Remember?

What translation do you consider is the most dependable ?

Paul's Epistles.

SO, as i told you previously, what i do, is point out which "bibles" to avoid, and why.

Why do i do that?
Its because all things with God are TRUTH, and because the Devil is the Father of Lies, .. there are some things that the believer has to discover, as otherwise, they can't believe them.

Let me show you what i mean...

Truth and untruth went swimming
When Truth's back was turned, untruth stole Truth's clothes.
NOW.. Truth goes about as the Naked Truth, while untrue parades around in Truth's Clothes.

So, what that means is... we are in the end of the end time of the "time of the Gentiles', and there is a great apostasy happening, whereby believers have "itching ears", and do not want to HEAR Truth.
They want to follow bible correctors and "doctrines of devils".
They want to hear about "health and money" and not about giving God their Life, for life.
And so... the Devil has a lot of Truth mixed with Error, as bibles, as commentaries, as fake believers, as anything and everything that can subvert the faith of a Christian.....and they only way they can avoid this, is to discern what isn't true, for themselves.
For that, you have to go to PAUL.., and to Hebrews 13:9 and do what the verse says to do with your Heart.

By the way - do you really think that having the right translation is salvific ?

Having Jesus as your eternal Salvation, is the only "Way" to God. John 14:6

Do you really think gleaning the rudiments of the faith from the NIV will send you to hell ?

No.

But, that version is a theologically and spiritually corrupted book, and it will do that to your Christianity, as that is why it exists.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Paul-only vs Originals-only

 

[Carl Emerson]

The Bible is so much more then just a book. Its Alive.

Books aren't alive, but the Holy Spirit in us is, as we read.

This is the nub of the issue.

Do you think the Holy Spirit is residing in your book or in your heart - or both maybe???

Hey - the Scripture comes alive when I read, this is normal for any true believer.

Condemning folks who aren't reading your translation, or through the lens your theology, is hardly "Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace..."

 

[Behold]

Books aren't alive, but the Holy Spirit in us is, as we read.

The Spirit of God, gave the words in the bible.
This is why they have to be "Spiritually discerned"...

Do you think the Holy Spirit is residing in your book or in your heart - or both maybe???

Regarding only a "born again.... its...."Christ in you," is who reveals the revelation that is in the verses., as revelation knowledge that is the "knowledge of God".

The NT says that the "eyes of our understanding" are opened.. and that is the Holy Spirit revealing the revelation that is the Bible.

So, the spiritual words that are found in the bible as verses, are revealed by Christ who is in the born again, as "revelation".

I have a Thread on this, but, for now, i'll leave it at that..

Hey - the Scripture comes alive when I read, this is normal for any true believer.

But its not "normal" for a real Christian, to post Threads and statements that would teach that the bible is just a book, or that it has errors.
See, thats the work of the devil.
Its His ministry to create doubt regarding the Word of God, and no real Christian would want to be caught dead, doing that on a Forum, or in a pulpit or in a commentary.

Condemning folks who aren't reading your translation, or through your theology, is hardly "Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace..."

I I have not listed "my Translation'"", so, your false innuendo is up and running your mind again. @Carl Emerson

I would hope that you could be more honest.

Also... On a forum, what causes lack of peace is when what insults God's Spirit is allowed to "park and preach".

And that is regarding any of the doctrines created by people like Calvin.. and its any Thread or Post that tries to cast doubt on the word of God.
So, when YOU do that, you are purposely creating Strife by insulting what is Holy, on purpose.
That is always going to cause the "issues".

 

[Carl Emerson]

No translation is perfect - nor are humans perfect - that is why we need Him to reveal Truth as we read.

He is not fooled by errors in translation or corruption of text - so we are safe as we read as long as we are in healthy fellowship with, and are hearing Him.

Threatening folks who might not be reading the best translation is hardly "Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace...

However presenting good reasons to consider using a particular translation in humility is fine and needed.

However - some participants in this conversation are claiming a perfect translation and refuse to say what it is.

If they are right, then they will be held to account for not warning others.

 

[Behold]

He is not fooled by errors in translation or corruption of text -

The first who ever taught there are errors in the word of God is the DEVIL.

He said..>"hath God said"... = "is that what it really means"?... = "isnt there a clearer understanding".. "is that the original"?

= Take a good look at that.... Reader//.

And in '2024.... He's still doing it, but he has a slightly revised method to do it, in these end times. @Carl Emerson

 

[Michiah-Imla]

No translation is perfect - nor are humans perfect - that is why we need Him to reveal Truth as we read.

“But he said unto them, Have ye not read…” (Matthew 12:3, KJV)

“Or have ye not read in the law…” (Matthew 12:5, KJV)

“…have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God…” (Matthew 22:31, KJV)

HAVE YE NOT READ?!?! @Carl Emerson

 

[Carl Emerson]

But its not "normal" for a real Christian, to post Threads and statements that would teach that the bible is just a book, or that it has errors.
See, thats the work of the devil.

No it is not always a 'work of the devil'

If folks down through the ages had not pointed out errors, what we have would not be anywhere as accurate.

His Spirit can make us aware of errors in translation.

Careful not to attribute to Satan what is God's Spirit.

 

[Carl Emerson]

“But he said unto them, Have ye not read…” (Matthew 12:3, KJV)

“Or have ye not read in the law…” (Matthew 12:5, KJV)

“…have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God…” (Matthew 22:31, KJV)

HAVE YE NOT READ?!?! @Carl Emerson

Are you serious ???

More false accusations aimed at discrediting the messenger to avoid the message.

You claim a translation is perfect - which one?

 

[Carl Emerson]

The first who ever taught there are errors in the word of God is the DEVIL.

He said..>"hath God said"... = "is that what it really means"?... = "isnt there a clearer understanding".. "is that the original"?

= Take a good look at that.... Reader//.

And in '2024.... He's still doing it, but he has a slightly revised method to do it, in these end times. @Carl Emerson

Are you really serious ?

Do you mean all your work in identifying errors in translation is of the devil ???

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You claim a translation is perfect - which one?

You claim no translation is perfect.

Good luck with your spiritual warfare with faulty weapons…

“And take… the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God…” (Ephesians 6:17, KJV)

 

[Carl Emerson]

I I have not listed "my Translation'"", so, your false innuendo is up and running your mind again. @Carl Emerson

Then delete the photo...

Golden Verses quotes from the NIV...

 

[Carl Emerson]

You claim no translation is perfect.

Good luck with your spiritual warfare with faulty weapons…

“And take… the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God…” (Ephesians 6:17, KJV)

OK so it must be KJV... ???

So only the KJV is the 'Word of God'... ??