Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

[Wick Stick]

You don't think he saw the words of Moses as carrying more weight than others?

I think Psalm 119 and others prove absolutely that David viewed Deuteronomy as authoritative.

But I don't think that can be applied to any of the other books of the Bible, except perhaps the bits of Exodus that copy from Deuteronomy. He simply didn't have those books.

 

[BarneyFife]

Why is that a strawman?

You both cited Scripture written in the 10th century BC, in support of a canon that includes many books that were not even written at that time. That seems like an actual problem of chronology to me.

Chronology?

I don't really understand the point of arguing technicality here. I'm just not looking for reasons to doubt Scripture. Maybe that makes me naive.

Why couldn't Psalm 138:2 apply to the New Testament as well, especially considering passages like 2 Timothy 3:16:

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

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[BarneyFife]

@St. SteVen, I hope you understood that the word "attitude" in post #1044 was actually supposed to be "latitude" - lol. :)

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[Carl Emerson]

The Bible is the word from Heaven.
Its not just a book.
Its the word of God... . and this is more than letters on a page., and that is why Paul teaches that "the word of God (bible) has to be spiritually discerned".

Reader let me show you some : "connect the dots".

"In the Beginning was the Word"

"And the Word was made flesh, (Virgin Born) and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."... (Glory is heaven)

And.Notice this...

"God SAID.... let there be". HE SPOKE WORDS of CREATION...... and Jesus is the "Word of God".. who Became Flesh".

This is why John 1:10 says that JESUS "made the world".

The Bible is spiritual Light on every page. Its God's word, its alive".

Read the verses below, and ...Notice what it can do.. to YOU.. and does.. and that is the BIBLE doing that.. .because its the Spirit of God doing it.
Reader, you think you are reading the Bible, but what is happening, is that the BIBLE is READING YOU....
It looks inside you, it reveals you., it knows what you are, and why you are what you are....
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""""""For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."""

New Living Translation
For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires.

English Standard Version
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Berean Literal Bible
For the word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating even as far as the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrows, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

King James Bible
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Amplified Bible
For the word of God is living and active and full of power [making it operative, energizing, and effective]. It is sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating as far as the division of the soul and spirit [the completeness of a person], and of both joints and marrow [the deepest parts of our nature], exposing and judging the very thoughts and intentions of the heart.

You say Jesus is the Word - Then you say the Bible is the Word.

Which of the two is enthroned in Heaven with the Father and the Spirit?

 

[Carl Emerson]

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8, KJV)

So then, The gospel truth being preserved in the Holy Bible today; what if an Angel came to you as the Living Word preaching a different gospel to you???

Would you accept this Living Word over the Holy Bible?

No chance.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Forgive me but this just comes across as equivocation, and seems definitely to be at variance with the distinction made between the word and the name of God in Psalm 138:2.

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Then I need to ask you the same question - Is Jesus on the throne with the Father and the Holy Spirit in Heaven or is the bible on the throne?

 

[BarneyFife]

Which of the two is enthroned in Heaven with the Father and the Spirit?

What rule makes this the criteria for determining what the Word is?

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[Ritajanice]

"The Word of God endures forever" IS MUCH MORE THAN THE BIBLE.

Of course it is!

We have been Born Again of Gods Living seed, that will never perish or die, that seed was planted into our hearts/ spirit , when Gods Living witness His Living Holy Spirit, made our spirit Born Again.

In a nuclear explosion, all bibles would e destroyed.

The Living word of God will NEVER die...do they not know that Gods word is Alive and Active?

 

[Ritajanice]

Then I need to ask you the same question - Is Jesus on the throne with the Father and the Holy Spirit in Heaven or is the bible on the throne?

Jesus Spirit is on the throne with the Father....Jesus is Alive in Spirit, I don’t think many understand that.

Careful Carl as we aren’t allowed to discuss the trinity.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Im not confusing it.
You're just not able to believe it. (yet).

Here is a verse for you... from the "bible'.

"GOD.. exalts HIS word.. above HIS NAME"

See that lower case "w"ord. ??????? = that is not talking about Jesus the "W"ord......... that verse is talking about the scriptures.

"the Bible".

You wont find that distinction in the original text - this is a function of translation in some versions only.

New International Version
I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your unfailing love and your faithfulness, for you have so exalted your solemn decree that it surpasses your fame.

New Living Translation
I bow before your holy Temple as I worship. I praise your name for your unfailing love and faithfulness; for your promises are backed by all the honor of your name.

English Standard Version
I bow down toward your holy temple and give thanks to your name for your steadfast love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.

Berean Study Bible
I bow down toward Your holy temple and give thanks to Your name for Your loving devotion and Your faithfulness; You have exalted Your name and Your word above all else.

New American Standard Bible
I will bow down toward Your holy temple And give thanks to Your name for Your mercy and Your truth; For You have made Your word great according to all Your name.

NASB 1995
I will bow down toward Your holy temple And give thanks to Your name for Your lovingkindness and Your truth; For You have magnified Your word according to all Your name.

NASB 1977
I will bow down toward Thy holy temple, And give thanks to Thy name for Thy lovingkindness and Thy truth; For Thou hast magnified Thy word according to all Thy name.

Amplified Bible
I will bow down [in worship] toward Your holy temple And give thanks to Your name for Your lovingkindness and Your truth; For You have magnified Your word together with Your name.

Christian Standard Bible
I will bow down toward your holy temple and give thanks to your name for your constant love and truth. You have exalted your name and your promise above everything else.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I will bow down toward Your holy temple and give thanks to Your name for Your constant love and truth. You have exalted Your name and Your promise above everything else.

Contemporary English Version
I worship at your holy temple and praise you for your love and your faithfulness. You were true to your word and made yourself more famous than ever before.

 

[BarneyFife]

Then I need to ask you the same question - Is Jesus on the throne with the Father and the Holy Spirit in Heaven or is the bible on the throne?

I'm not getting a clear picture of your point or position. No one is claiming that the Bible hung on a cross and died for the sins of the world. God Himself chose the word "Word" to refer to both the written word and the Word made flesh. I had nothing to do with that.

To insist that Jesus is greater than a collection of human language just doesn't seem very helpful in making the duty of man toward the written Word of God very plain.

Help me out here, Carl.

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[Ritajanice]

You cannot contains Gods word to the Bible, that’s His written word.

Gods word is Alive and Active...He is everywhere....he’s a Living Spirit.

We have been Born Again by His Living Witness the Holy Spirit....he brought our spirit Alive in Christ.....

 

[Carl Emerson]

Jesus Spirit is on the throne with the Father....Jesus is Alive in Spirit, I don’t think many understand that.

Careful Carl as we aren’t allowed to discuss the trinity.

Whoops...

 

[BarneyFife]

You cannot contains Gods word to the Bible, that’s His written word.

Gods word is Alive and Active...He is everywhere....he’s a Living Spirit.

We have been Born Again by His Living Witness the Holy Spirit....he brought our spirit Alive in Christ.....

But I have to keep my perception of omnipresence from crossing over into pantheism, Sis. I don't think I can presume safety without caution here.

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[Ritajanice]

But I have to keep my perception of omnipresence from crossing over into pantheism, Sis. I don't think I can presume safety without caution here.

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Ok sweet pea..don’t understand ..

You’re on your own journey with the Lord and I wish you well and blessings on that journey.

I can only go by what I received..I was Born Again nearly 33 yrs ago..the seed was planted by God via His Spirit.

It took root and has been growing, maturing, bearing Jesus fruit and I’m being made into Jesus image by the power within me...that power who indwells my spirit, is the Holy Spirit.

It is no longer I who live but he in me.

I hardly recognise me anymore...Praise God...humble me Lord more and more to be like your amazing Son..Lord Jesus...none like him..

Keep pride/ ego down ,let it be no more in me Lord.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I'm not getting a clear picture of your point or position. No one is claiming that the Bible hung on a cross and died for the sins of the world. God Himself chose the word "Word" to refer to both the written word and the Word made flesh. I had nothing to do with that.

To insist that Jesus is greater than a collection of human language just doesn't seem very helpful in making the duty of man toward the written Word of God very plain.

Help me out here, Carl.

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The Eternal Living Word of God is much more vast than the words in Scripture. The words in the Bible are sufficient for our understanding and salvation but are not exhaustive. The Bible says not all Jesus said and did is recorded therein.

That fact does not demean the Scripture - it serves Gods purpose as He intended.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Eternal Living Word of God is much more vast than the words in Scripture. The words in the Bible are sufficient for our understanding and salvation but are not exhaustive. The Bible says not all Jesus said and did is recorded therein.

That fact does not demean the Scripture - it serves Gods purpose as He intended.

Good post!...Amen!!

 

[Carl Emerson]

But I have to keep my perception of omnipresence from crossing over into pantheism, Sis. I don't think I can presume safety without caution here.

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Pantheism is about worship of the physical creation.

We are to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth so you have noting to worry about in that regard.

He sustains creation but is not creation. His Omnipresence is not physical.

 

[St. SteVen]

@St. SteVen, I hope you understood that the word "attitude" in post #1044 was actually supposed to be "latitude" - lol. :)

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Yes, thanks.
I thought that's what you meant. - LOL
Thanks for the errata.

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[Wick Stick]

Why couldn't Psalm 138:2 apply to the New Testament as well?

What rules do you use for interpreting Scripture? Personally, I try to interpret according to the author's original intent first. What were they trying to say?

In this Psalm, David seems to be talking about a command of God that he already knows. It stands to reason that he isn't referring to any of the books of the Bible that weren't yet written. That leaves us with just Deuteronomy among the books of the Bible, although it could be referring to some book that is lost to us today, or some personal revelation that God gave to David.

I'm just not looking for reasons to doubt Scripture. Maybe that makes me naive.

Is that what you think this topic is about? Undermining Scripture? It seems that a bunch of people have taken it that way.

I didn't start this, but it seems to me that this was meant to be about revelation and relationship. Perhaps we've spent too much time talking about the revelation that we already know is sound - the Bible - and not enough time talking about revelation OUTSIDE the Bible.

What do you think? Is the Bible the ONLY revelation of God that we're going to get? Or does He speak to us in our daily lives? If/when we hear His voice, how can we be sure that God is the One speaking?