Biblical Mary

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Yup - it would have been a scandalous act on the part pof Jesus to "give" His mother away to people outside the family if she indeed had "other" children.

So you say...that would have be a scandalous act....

Based on what evidence? Cite your evidence for your claim.

 

[theefaith]

QUOTE Scripture that says those things ARE REQUIRED of you?

Mk 16:16
Acts 8:36-37

 

[theefaith]

Share with us...WHO or WHAT specifically TOLD you...'Mary's body is in heaven" ?

Valid apostles


APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION OF
POPE PIUS XII
MUNIFICENTISSIMUS DEUS
DEFINING THE DOGMA OF THE ASSUMPTION
1950

“We pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma: that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory.”

Rev 12:1 and there appeared a great sign in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun...(body and soul in heaven)
Matt 16:18 18:18 bound is bound

 

[BreadOfLife]

First of all, as a "good Catholic" having learned how Catholics "are Supposed to Speak".... Projecting a false narrative... as you regularly do...As here...

As well "AS WHAT" ?
I have NOT rejected ANY of Gods TRUTHS.

So ASIDE from YOUR Catholic method of operation, (that; BTW is clearly seen, noticed by ALL who has ever read your posts)...

On to the point about Enoch and Elijah.
I didn't challenge Scripture.
I challenged "YOUR CLAIM...."
That Enoch did not DIE, but when to Heaven.
That Elijah did not DIE, but when to Heaven.

My first Challenge to YOU WAS...
"WHICH Heaven are you talking about"...

You DID NOT CLARIFY....so lets start there...
And then move on.

When they were taken up - they went to Sheol, also known as the Limbo of the Fathers, and the Bosom of Abraham (Luke 16:22).
They now reside with Jesus in Heaven.


And the idea that you don't reject any of God's truths is laughable since they are too numerous to go into here.
Suffice it to say - your claim that Jesus was merely "implanted" in Mary and that she did not conceive Him in her womb is just ONE example.

YOUR turn.

 

[theefaith]

You made that last part up. Nowhere in the bible does it state Mary was sinless. See? Its little fibs such as that, which causes people to bow down to graven images of Mary.



Please dont try to confuse the issue by bringing children and the mentally ill into this....its simple, Mary is not those things, she was a competent adult.

Are you aware who else confuses issues such as you have done in order to pull off an untruth?

the point is that it’s a generalization not absolute
also refers to original sin and Mary was preserved from original sin
Gen 3:15 enmity total war
None of satans works are in her
Lk 1:28 full of grace
Mother of God
Mother of our salvation
Mother of divine grace

 

[theefaith]

You made that last part up. Nowhere in the bible does it state Mary was sinless. See? Its little fibs such as that, which causes people to bow down to graven images of Mary.



Please dont try to confuse the issue by bringing children and the mentally ill into this....its simple, Mary is not those things, she was a competent adult.

Are you aware who else confuses issues such as you have done in order to pull off an untruth?

the church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles always taught that Mary was sinless ever Virgin mother of God
The so called reformers too!

 

[theefaith]

So you say...that would have be a scandalous act....

Based on what evidence? Cite your evidence for your claim.

the law of Moses!

 

[Mungo]

Yes, ONLY ONCE ... AFTER...AS MY WHOLE BOLDEN PRINT STATEMENT SAID...
AND YOU DECEIVINGLY DID NOT PRINT.


Mary herself being mentioned in Scripture ONLY once ... (so you would KNOW, She herself being A SINNER, received forgiveness AND Salvation )
...AFTER Jesus' (Body, prepared by God), walked on Earth, died, rose up walked on Earth Again, and rose BACK UP to Heaven from whence His (Body, prepared by God) came forth and Returned.


By your own printed words, it is plain for all to see, you need a lesson in grammar, the meaning of punctuations marks, and the meaning of IN Context and the meaning of deception, before you dictate to others what you think they should do.

I stopped reading after your outrageous injection "so you would KNOW, She herself being A SINNER, received forgiveness AND Salvation"

Nothing in scripture shows Mary was a sinner, received forgiveness and Salvation.

Acts 1:14 All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.
Where does that say that Mary was a sinner, received forgiveness and Salvation?

 

[BreadOfLife]

So you say...that would have be a scandalous act....

Based on what evidence? Cite your evidence for your claim.

Because, according to Jewish custom - the next eldest sibling would have had charge of his widowed mother. this is NOT something to be "assigned" by the dying elder sibling.

The Jews took their customs seriously - as we see in the story of Onan (Gen 38:8-10). According to Jewish custom, he was to take the wife of his elder brother, who had died. When he refused to comply and sire a child with her - her was struck dead by God.

Yup - it would have been SCANDALOUS for Jesus to "give" His mother away - IF he had siblings.

 

[Taken]

WRONG.

Screeching out in Anger, does not make you right...It simply makes you a dutiful Catholic to speak the way you have been taught by Catholics.

Mary's ONLY biological child is the REASON for Scripture.

Mary was a married woman. Nothing whatsoever indicates Mary should not do as God commanded to multiply and replenish the earth with offspring of Mary and Joseph.

You really should LEARN what a BIOLOGICAL child IS! Scripture tells you, (but does not use the modern science term of Biological).

Short of believing you are equipped with ability to comprehend the Science of Biology...
You can turn to Scripture and Learn; God created "particular" KINDS of things ON Earth.
You can Learn: God created "particular" KINDS of things IN the Heavens.

Every Earthly (terrestrial ) KIND of body "creates from ITS SEED, the SAME KIND OF THING" Read all about it in Genesis ....

You preach (God) who is NOT a terrestrial being, fertalized with His SEED, the seed (egg) of a terrestrial (Earthly) woman...
Yet NOWHERE is such a teaching TAUGHT IN SCRIPTURE, that GOD WOULD BLESS, Call Righteous, call GOOD, CALL SINLESS...any such ACT nor any offspring of such a CORRUPT act.

So...ya...YOU HAVE Presented NO Scriptural evidence of what you 'preach'.

 

[Taken]

the law of Moses!

The Law of Moses? LOL...Which Law of the 600+ Laws...cite it.

 

[Taken]

Valid apostles

Valid Scriptural Aspotles are identified by Name in Scripture.

APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION OF
POPE PIUS XII
MUNIFICENTISSIMUS DEUS
DEFINING THE DOGMA OF THE ASSUMPTION
1950

“We pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma: that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory.”

LOL...'pope pius XII'
Eugenio Maria Giuseppe Giovanni Pacelli, was a Gentile, born in Rome, Italy, in 1976.
He was Elected by "Catholic" Gentiles to be "their holy father" pope. He changed his name to a name of his choosing....PIUS, which means IN Latin...pious, godly, HONORABLE....AND THEN SHOWS HIS HONOR TO GOD, BY MAKING UP LIES?
NOTHING WHATSOEVER, IN GODS WORD OF TRUTH, SAYS MARY'S BODY ROSE UP TO HEAVEN.

You have been fooled by a liar.
Wisdom is putting away mens lies and read Gods Truth in Scripture.

Rev 12:1 and there appeared a great sign in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun..

Nothing whatsoever hints, indicates, says, Rev 12 is about Mary.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Screeching out in Anger, does not make you right...It simply makes you a dutiful Catholic to speak the way you have been taught by Catholics.

Mary was a married woman. Nothing whatsoever indicates Mary should not do as God commanded to multiply and replenish the earth with offspring of Mary and Joseph.

You really should LEARN what a BIOLOGICAL child IS! Scripture tells you, (but does not use the modern science term of Biological).

Short of believing you are equipped with ability to comprehend the Science of Biology...
You can turn to Scripture and Learn; God created "particular" KINDS of things ON Earth.
You can Learn: God created "particular" KINDS of things IN the Heavens.

Every Earthly (terrestrial ) KIND of body "creates from ITS SEED, the SAME KIND OF THING" Read all about it in Genesis ....

You preach (God) who is NOT a terrestrial being, fertalized with His SEED, the seed (egg) of a terrestrial (Earthly) woman...
Yet NOWHERE is such a teaching TAUGHT IN SCRIPTURE, that GOD WOULD BLESS, Call Righteous, call GOOD, CALL SINLESS...any such ACT nor any offspring of such a CORRUPT act.

So...ya...YOU HAVE Presented NO Scriptural evidence of what you 'preach'.

For starters – the following verses state explicitly that Jesus, who is God is also a HUMAN BEING (Acts 2:22, Acts 2:23, Acts 17:31, 1 Tim. 2:5, Rom. 5:15).

The Greek word for “man” in these verses is anthropos.
The Greek word anthropos means “a human being, whether male or female, generically, to include all human individuals, to distinguish man from beings of a different race or order.”

YOUR belief that Jesus ISN’T a human being is unbiblical.
He was not “implanted” in Mary who later “hatched” Him. He was conceived in HER womb (Luke 1:31) by the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Mungo]

Nothing whatsoever hints, indicates, says, Rev 12 is about Mary.

We've been through all this before.
here we go again.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You really should LEARN what a BIOLOGICAL child IS! Scripture tells you, (but does not use the modern science term of Biological).
Short of believing you are equipped with ability to comprehend the Science of Biology... You can turn to Scripture and Learn; God created "particular" KINDS of things ON Earth.
You can Learn: God created "particular" KINDS of things IN the Heavens.
Every Earthly (terrestrial ) KIND of body "creates from ITS SEED, the SAME KIND OF THING" Read all about it in Genesis ....

You preach (God) who is NOT a terrestrial being, fertalized with His SEED, the seed (egg) of a terrestrial (Earthly) woman...
Yet NOWHERE is such a teaching TAUGHT IN SCRIPTURE, that GOD WOULD BLESS, Call Righteous, call GOOD, CALL SINLESS...any such ACT nor any offspring of such a CORRUPT act.

So...ya...YOU HAVE Presented NO Scriptural evidence of what you 'preach'.

Gen 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Show me ONE other verse of Scripture that talks about a WOMAN'S seed.

Game.
Set.
MATCH.

 

[Taken]

Because, according to Jewish custom - the next eldest sibling would have had charge of his widowed mother. this is NOT something to be "assigned" by the dying elder sibling.

The Jews took their customs seriously - as we see in the story of Onan (Gen 38:8-10). According to Jewish custom, he was to take the wife of his elder brother, who had died. When he refused to comply and sire a child with her - her was struck dead by God.

Yup - it would have been SCANDALOUS for Jesus to "give" His mother away - IF he had siblings.

You making the claim of "scandal" without evidence.

The "evidence" would be comparable to a LIKE situation.

You did not present any evidence of "sandal" for a dying son to make arrangements for his widowed mother.

 

[Webers_Home]

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POSIT: The Hail Mary (a.k.a. Ave Maria) is a biblical prayer. God gave it to
us. It's in the Bible in black and white.

RESPONSE: According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, the "Hail Mary" is not an
in-the-Bible prayer, rather, it's a developed prayer; and it was developed
over a number of years.

Here's the entire text of the so-called Hail Mary.

Hail [Mary] full of grace, the Lord is with thee,
blessed art thou amongst women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb [Jesus].
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

"Hail, the Lord is with thee" was plagiarized from Gabriel's greeting at Luke
1:28 (Douay-Rheims version).

"[Mary] full of grace" is fabricated.

"blessed art thou amongst women" was plagiarized from Elizabeth's greeting
at Luke 1:42 (Douay-Rheims version).

"blessed is the fruit of thy womb" was also plagiarized from Elizabeth's
greeting at Luke 1:42 (Douay-Rheims version).

"Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our
death. Amen." is attributed to the intervention of one Ste. Peter Canisius for
its acceptance into the Catechism of the Council of Trent in the year 1566.

Obviously then, pieces and parts of the Hail Mary, in its official form, are
snipped from the Bible; but the body text of the prayer itself, is not actually
in the Bible; viz: instead of God-given, it's a man-made supplication
concocted from excerpts; with an ending invocation spun entirely from
imagination.

FAQ: What's wrong with using the Ave Maria for personal prayer?

A: It's a scripted performance; as such it fails to comply with Heb 4:15-16,
which says:

"For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our
weaknesses, but one who has similarly been tested in every way, yet
without sin. So let us confidently approach the throne of grace to receive
mercy and to find grace for timely help."

The Greek word for "confidently" is parrhesia (par-rhay-see'-ah) which
means all out-spokenness, i.e. frankness, bluntness, and/or candor.

Reciting the lines of a script is not what I call forthright, nor blunt, nor out
spoken, nor candid. It's actually not much different than reciting a Hindu
mantra or chanting the pages of a siddur like one of those Jews bobbing
back and forth like a car toy at the Wailing Wall. In tech-speak: the Hail
Mary is a robo call; and we all know how annoying those detestable things
can be.
_

 

[Taken]

bff
For starters – the following verses state explicitly that Jesus, who is God is also a HUMAN BEING (Acts 2:22, Acts 2:23, Acts 17:31, 1 Tim. 2:5, Rom. 5:15).

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For starters ... answer IF you can;
What Bibles WERE historically and ARE modernally "official Catholic Bibles"?

And what "Bible" do you use? to find the words....explicitly that Jesus, who is God, is also a "HUMAN BEING"?

And you are aware....you just conveyed....God, also like Jesus, IS a human being?

 

[Mungo]

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POSIT: The Hail Mary (a.k.a. Ave Maria) is a biblical prayer. God gave it to
us. It's in the Bible in black and white.

RESPONSE: According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, the "Hail Mary" is not an
in-the-Bible prayer, rather, it's a developed prayer; and it was developed
over a number of years.

Here's the entire text of the so-called Hail Mary.

Hail [Mary] full of grace, the Lord is with thee,
blessed art thou amongst women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb [Jesus].
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

"Hail, the Lord is with thee" was plagiarized from Gabriel's greeting at Luke
1:28 (Douay-Rheims version).

"[Mary] full of grace" is fabricated.

"blessed art thou amongst women" was plagiarized from Elizabeth's greeting
at Luke 1:42 (Douay-Rheims version).

"blessed is the fruit of thy womb" was also plagiarized from Elizabeth's
greeting at Luke 1:42 (Douay-Rheims version).

"Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our
death. Amen." is attributed to the intervention of one Ste. Peter Canisius for
its acceptance into the Catechism of the Council of Trent in the year 1566.

Obviously then, pieces and parts of the Hail Mary, in its official form, are
snipped from the Bible; but the body text of the prayer itself, is not actually
in the Bible; viz: instead of God-given, it's a man-made supplication
concocted from excerpts; with an ending invocation spun entirely from
imagination.

FAQ: What's wrong with using the Ave Maria for personal prayer?

A: It's a scripted performance; thus fails to comply with Heb 4:15-16,
which says:

"For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our
weaknesses, but one who has similarly been tested in every way, yet
without sin. So let us confidently approach the throne of grace to receive
mercy and to find grace for timely help."

The Greek word for "confidently" is parrhesia (par-rhay-see'-ah) which
means all out-spokenness, i.e. frankness, bluntness, and/or candor.

Reciting the lines of a script is not what I call forthright, nor blunt, nor out
spoken, nor candid. It's actually not much different than reciting a Hindu
mantra or chanting the pages of a siddur like one of those Jews bobbing
back and forth like a car toy at the Wailing Wall. In tech-speak: the Hail
Mary is a robo call; and we all know how annoying those detestable things
can be.
_

The problem with so many protestants claims is that they see the word "only" or "alone" in scripture where it is simply not there.

Where does Heb 4:15-16 say we can only approach the throne of grace, or that we have to approach the throne of grace alone?

What is the prayer "Our Father who art in heaven...." if not a script?

 

[Mungo]

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"[Mary] full of grace" is fabricated.

No it isn't . It is a valid translation of Kecharitomene.