Biblical Mary

[BreadOfLife]

Well for you we know that if it says anything negative about Romanism you will just slam it as anti-Catholic bias.

and for the record so you don't make another unfounded accustion against me, I am not anti-catholic, I am anti-catholicism. And teh biggest reason I am is that like some protestant denominations they are guilty of Gal. 1:8

ALL THE REST IS MINOR COMPARED TO THIS BIG ONE!!!

And what is "Romanism", Einstein?
If you're referring to the Catholic Church - then SAY, "Catholic Church" as if you were an intelligent person.

The fact that you keep using this idiotic term (Romanism) proves that you are nothing more than an anti-Catholic.

 

[Nancy]

It doesn't matter if YOU asked about the Bishop's miter.
HISLOP made this stupid charge and you agreed with him.

Do you understand that supporting a liar like Hislop makes YOU just as guilty of his lies? If you don't know this - then you don't know the Gospel. Lies are evil - no matter WHO they are against. The Bible WARNS against tis type of sin . . .
Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

Good luck with that . . .
As for your questions in RED - I already told you . . .
1. UNbiased historical references - not anti-Catholic morons.
2. What is "Romanism"?? I belong to the Catholic Church.
3. You bore false witness by declaring Hislop's lies as truth.

So, anyone who is not Catholic is a "moron". Nice.

 

[Mungo]

Well first let me apologize. I attributed it to the Britannica . I was in error. I conflated the info about Saturnalia and sol- Invictus and kalneds and wrongly trhought it was about nimrod and semiramis. I apologize.

But as for nimrod and semiramis being together?

Nimrod met Semiramis, who according to tradition was a brothel keeper, as he was conquering the area of Mesopotamia and the seven cities. Nimrod made Semiramis his queen and in order to hide that she was a prostitute, they created a story that she was a virgin that sprung up from the sea when Nimrod came ashore on his conquest of the area.
Semiramis and Nimrod Met And Built The Babylonian Empire
christianitybeliefs.org/thefuelproject/semiramis-and-nimrod-built-the-babylonian-em

Semiramis and Nimrod Met And Built The Babylonian Empire (christianitybeliefs.org)

Nimrod and Semiramis.pdf (watchmenministry.org)

Eusebius the greek historian (you alter ego bread of life probably does not consider him a "qualified" historic scholar) also wrote that nimrod and semiramis were married.

more on this later, but this is an adequate start. You will not find this in an encyclopedia because those are not designed to go into the mystic and spiritual realms.

I referenced Ralph Woodrow’s The Babylon Connection and this is a summary of what he says about Nimrod and Semiramis .
Firstly he referenced many recognised reference works including:
The Encyclopaedia Americana
The Encyclopaedia Britannica
The Encyclopaedia Judaica
The Encyclopaedia of Religion
The New Catholic Encyclopaedia
The World Book Encyclopedia.
None of the works he consulted make any mention of Nimrod and Semiramis being husband and wife.

Not only that but the information given rules it out.

The Encyclopaedia Americana and The Encyclopaedia Britannica say Semiramis (or Sammu-ramat). As she was called by the Assyrians was the wife of Shamshi-Adad V who reigned 823-811 BC. (Sammu-ramat | queen of Assyria)

Nimrod on the other hand is identified by some scholars as Sargon the Great (who lived about 2600 BC), others with Gilgamesh (who lived about 2200 BC), other with the Egyptian monarch Amenophis III (about 1411 BC), others with the Assyrianor Tukulti-Ninurti I (about 1246 BC).
So Semiramis and Nimrod lived several centuries apart.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Again:
That's NOT actual LDS Christian doctrine. Rather is believed that Mary was a virgin and Christ alone is the only Begotten Son of God.

I believe that there are different factions of the LDS, and what I have said is taught by one of them, and may not be taught by the faction you belong to. However, it was not the actual point I was making, rather it was to refute the notion that Mary's eggs were fertilized by God, which is not what the Gospel writer said. Jesus was not conceived through the natural process. It was a new creation of God in Mary's womb.

 

[Taken]

Catholics are not sola scriptura.
...praying to the Saints in heaven ...

* I find no such Scripture for "anyone" on earth, to "contact" "saints" IN Heaven, for "any purpose".

By your round about response, seems you do not have any Scriptural Instruction TO pray to saints in Heaven ?

Is that correct?

IF that is correct, could you clarify Whose Instruction you do rely on, TO pray to saints in Heaven? A particular person, Book, your parents, etc. ?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Rabbit trail.
How have I lied about Romanism
How di dI bear false witness to 1,000,000,000 people
What determines who is a "credible" historic scholar.

Well I showed you from teh Encyclopedia Britannica that semiramis was nimrods wife and you reject it. They must not be credible.
And please explain how the nimrod/semiramis discussion is bearing false witness against catholics.

You're LYING again.
Show me the QUOTE/link from Encyclopedia Britannica - and not jut YOUR word.

From Encyclopedia Britannica:
Semīramis is the Greek form of Sammuramat. She was probably a Babylonian (for it was she who imposed the Babylonian cult of Nebo or Nabu upon the Assyrian religion). A column discovered in 1909 describes her as “a woman of the palace of Samsi-Adad, King of the World, King of Assyria, . . . King of the Four Quarters of the World.”

From World History Encyclopedia:
Sammu-Ramat, more famously known as Semiramis, was the queen regent of the Assyrian Empire (reigned 811-806 BCE) who held the throne for her young son Adad Nirari III until he reached maturity. She is also known as Shammuramat or Sammuramat. She was the wife of Shamshi-Adad V (reigned 823-811 BCE) and, when he died, she assumed rule until Adad Nirari III came of age, at which time she passed the throne to him.

Stop embarrassing yourself, already . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

So, anyone who is not Catholic is a "moron". Nice.

Wow - another LIE.
Congratulations.

I never said that.
I said, ANTI-Catholics are morons because they always LIE to make their arguments.

Why is it so difficult for you guys to be honest??

 

[Nancy]

Wow - another LIE.
Congratulations.

I never said that.
I said, ANTI-Catholics are morons because they always LIE to make their arguments.

Why is it so difficult for you guys to be honest??

Just the fact that you called someone a "moron" is so un Christ like.

 

[BreadOfLife]

* I find no such Scripture for "anyone" on earth, to "contact" "saints" IN Heaven, for "any purpose".

By your round about response, seems you do not have any Scriptural Instruction TO pray to saints in Heaven ?

Is that correct?

IF that is correct, could you clarify Whose Instruction you do rely on, TO pray to saints in Heaven? A particular person, Book, your parents, etc. ?

That's because you don't pay attention . . .

Anti-Catholics are ALWAYS using Rom. 3:10 regarding Mary to show that there are NONE righteous.
Ergo, the ONLY truly righteous people are in Heaven, having been made PERFECT (Rev. 21:27).

James tells us that the prayers of s RIGHTEOUS person are very powerful (James 5:16).
Ergo, the saints in Heaven are INDEED interceding for us:
Rev. 5:8
And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.

Makes PERFECT sense.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Just the fact that you called someone a "moron" is so un Christ like.

I didn't call ANYBODY a moron.
It generically applied it to people who lie.
Prov. 26:4
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself.

Is this an "evil" verse?

 

[BreadOfLife]

I referenced Ralph Woodrow’s The Babylon Connection and this is a summary of what he says about Nimrod and Semiramis .
Firstly he referenced many recognised reference works including:
The Encyclopaedia Americana
The Encyclopaedia Britannica
The Encyclopaedia Judaica
The Encyclopaedia of Religion
The New Catholic Encyclopaedia
The World Book Encyclopedia.
None of the works he consulted make any mention of Nimrod and Semiramis being husband and wife.

Not only that but the information given rules it out.

The Encyclopaedia Americana and The Encyclopaedia Britannica say Semiramis (or Sammu-ramat). As she was called by the Assyrians was the wife of Shamshi-Adad V who reigned 823-811 BC. (Sammu-ramat | queen of Assyria)

Nimrod on the other hand is identified by some scholars as Sargon the Great (who lived about 2600 BC), others with Gilgamesh (who lived about 2200 BC), other with the Egyptian monarch Amenophis III (about 1411 BC), others with the Assyrianor Tukulti-Ninurti I (about 1246 BC).
So Semiramis and Nimrod lived several centuries apart.

Exactly - but anti-0Catholics like @Ronald Nolette would rather marinate in lies and dishonesty than accept the truth.

Truth is offensive to people like him - which is frightening for him since Jesus IS Truth itself (John 14:6) . . .

 

[Curtis]

I asked you what you meant by a particular phrase you used.
You told me what you meant.
How is that not a definition?


Catholics are not sola scriptura.
Nor do we believe that we have to have an explicit statement in scripture that we can do something.
There are many things that we do that are not explicitly (or implicitly) permitted in the Bible - posting on the internet, driving a car, flying in an aeroplane, printing Bibles. or even that we can assemble the various scripture writings into one book called the Bible.
Your request is itself therefore unbiblical.

If you want to have a discussion about praying to the Saints in heaven then we can do so, but not on the basis you want.

What I see from Catholic statements is that “the church” can change, cancel or add any scripture or doctrine they want to, because of the supposed apostolic authority the pope has, passed down by Peter, their alleged first bishop/pope.

 

[Taken]

Sooooo, YOU take the story of the Nephilim in Gen 6 and equate THEM with the conception of Jesus??
You're even MORE Scripturally ignorant than I originally thought.

Apparently you do not comprehend,
The 'situation" was the comparison,
You think being informed of behaviors so egregious to God, that He destroyed the World .... IS IGNORANT ... to reject someone (specificially you), who is preaching God did the same thing...

Jesus is GOD in the flesh (John 1:1-14).

God impregnated Mary,

... Mary, who was sinless.

Yes - even a 10 year-old understands what that means . . .

A ten yr old:
"Jesus is God, Jesus who is God, came down from heaven, found the only one sinless woman in the whole world, who BTW was betrothed to Jewish man, (which is treated as married in Jewish custom ) and Jesus who is God, had sex with this betrothed Jewish woman, successfully got her pregnant, so she would deliver a sinless human God, and by the way, informed her bethrothed to not break off the betrothal, go ahead marry her, and .... you can never have a sexual relationship with her.

LOL -
And
GAG -

A person like YOU, who perverts the Scriptures IS offensive . . .

Perverting the Scriptures is your talent.
Some Catholics are honest and come straight out and say,
It is NOT IN SCRIPTURE.

 

[Taken]

Exactly - but anti-0Catholics like @Ronald Nolette would rather marinate in lies and dishonesty than accept the truth.

Truth is offensive to people like him - which is frightening for him since Jesus IS Truth itself (John 14:6) . . .

That's rich... calling someone dishonest because they reject what your Catholic philosophies claim and instead FAVOR Gods Truth.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Apparently you do not comprehend, The 'situation" was the comparison,
You think being informed of behaviors so egregious to God, that He destroyed the World .... IS IGNORANT ... to reject someone (specificially you), who is preaching God did the same thing...
A ten yr old:
"Jesus is God, Jesus who is God, came down from heaven, found the only one sinless woman in the whole world, who BTW was betrothed to Jewish man, (which is treated as married in Jewish custom ) and Jesus who is God, had sex with this betrothed Jewish woman, successfully got her pregnant, so she would deliver a sinless human God, and by the way, informed her bethrothed to not break off the betrothal, go ahead marry her, and .... you can never have a sexual relationship with her.

LOL -
And
GAG -

Perverting the Scriptures is your talent.
Some Catholics are honest and come straight out and say,
It is NOT IN SCRIPTURE.

HUH??

You think that in order for Jesus to have been conceived from Mary's egg - that HE would have had to have sex with His own mother??
What kind of sick, perverse fantasy world do you love in??

The Bible is CLEAR that:
1. God impregnated Mary and she conceived a child in HER womb (Luke 1:31). A child was not "implanted" there.
2. Jesus was Mary's seed (Gen 3:16).

Just because YOU lack the faith to believe that God CAN impregnate a virgin without sexual intercourse doesn't make it "false".
It just means that YOU don't have any faith . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

That's rich... calling someone dishonest because they reject what your Catholic philosophies claim and instead FAVOR Gods Truth.

"Catholic philosophies"??
I pointed out some flat-out LIES about "Dagon worship" and Nimrod's supposed "wife".

These are historical matters - not matters of "philosophy", Einstein . . .

 

[Illuminator]

I referenced Ralph Woodrow’s The Babylon Connection and this is a summary of what he says about Nimrod and Semiramis .
Firstly he referenced many recognised reference works including:
The Encyclopaedia Americana
The Encyclopaedia Britannica
The Encyclopaedia Judaica
The Encyclopaedia of Religion
The New Catholic Encyclopaedia
The World Book Encyclopedia.
None of the works he consulted make any mention of Nimrod and Semiramis being husband and wife.

Not only that but the information given rules it out.

The Encyclopaedia Americana and The Encyclopaedia Britannica say Semiramis (or Sammu-ramat). As she was called by the Assyrians was the wife of Shamshi-Adad V who reigned 823-811 BC. (Sammu-ramat | queen of Assyria)

Nimrod on the other hand is identified by some scholars as Sargon the Great (who lived about 2600 BC), others with Gilgamesh (who lived about 2200 BC), other with the Egyptian monarch Amenophis III (about 1411 BC), others with the Assyrianor Tukulti-Ninurti I (about 1246 BC).
So Semiramis and Nimrod lived several centuries apart.

Semiramis and Nimrod were engaged for 1400 years! Makes perfect sense.

 

[Taken]

Anti-Catholics are ALWAYS using Rom. 3:10 regarding Mary to show that there are NONE righteous.

So? None were righteous.
Did you miss the part...
Hypocrite Pharisees, Lost Jews, Gentiles worshiping false gods?

Ergo, the ONLY truly righteous people are in Heaven, having been made PERFECT (Rev. 21:27).

People do not go to heaven.
The righteous are the Converted in Christ in heaven and on earth.

[UOQTE] James tells us that the prayers of s RIGHTEOUS person are very powerful (James 5:16). [/QUOTE]

Noone said otherwise.

Ergo, the saints in Heaven are INDEED interceding for us:
Rev. 5:8
And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people..

Rev 5:8 ...fell down before the Lamb holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Why do you think saints in heaven are "interceding" for you?

I believe the "saints" in heaven are making supplications (a humble (bowing down) plea) TO the Lamb for the "unconverted" to come to the Truth of Jesus, the Lamb of God, that they become converted.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Did the Christ own the clothes that he wore, or not?

Was Jesus a free-loader?

Would he have eventually died of old age had he not been executed?
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[Wrangler]

So, anyone who is not Catholic is a "moron". Nice.

Just the fact that you called someone a "moron" is so un Christ like.

You pinpointed why people are turned off by the traditional denominations.