Biblical Mary

[theefaith]

ERROR.

Patently FALSE, by the word of the LORDS Lord Himself.

Luke 8:
[21] And he (Jesus) answered and said unto them, (men) My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.



You are making an erroneous IF THEN conclusion, out of context.

* Scripture reveals the Facts. (Heb 1 in brief)

Heb 1:
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time...
(Gods Declaration)
Thou art my Son,[/B]
this day have I begotten thee?
And again,
I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Paul reveals a Summary of the Facts.

Rom 1:
[3] Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
[4] And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

We Know, Jesus is Expressly the Lord...
By Gods Word...
* Jesus expressly IS the LORDS Lord, by the LORDS declaring, and that it IS expressly according to the spirit of holiness .

Mary, like any other woman (WHO HEARS the Word of God, AND DOES IT) ...
IS accounted (according TO Jesus)...
"His Mother".

only Mary is the biological mother of Jesus Christ
The mother of our salvation
Mother of God

 

[DPMartin]

never said Mary was God or that she should be worshiped

yes you are, that's what mother of God means, you know it, i know it, the world knows it. that catholic mumbo jumbo of, it means something else, is bogus. those who subscribe to this line of thinking, know what they are saying, and lying about it.

mother of God means you're saying your god comes from Mary therefore she is the source of your god and then telling us it the same LORD God of Israel.

again you ignore the reality of Elisabeth's statement to make your own god. the mother of God theology is where Catholics get that garbage of queen of heaven and the like.

 

[theefaith]

yes you are, that's what mother of God means, you know it, i know it, the world knows it. that catholic mumbo jumbo of, it means something else, is bogus. those who subscribe to this line of thinking, know what they are saying, and lying about it.

mother of God means you're saying your god comes from Mary therefore she is the source of your god and then telling us it the same LORD God of Israel.

again you ignore the reality of Elisabeth's statement to make your own god. the mother of God theology is where Catholics get that garbage of queen of heaven and the like.

it only saying Jesus is God
Mary is His mother
Not Mary is divine or mother of the divinity
Same as mother of our salvation cos Jesus is our salvation Lk 2:30 and Mary is His mother
Mother of the entire person

never is any to receive worship but God alone
No adoration no offering of sacrifice

honor devotion reverence are not worship

Good enough for Angels!
Good enough for the Bible!
Good enough for me!

Hail Mary! Full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women,
Lk 1:28 blessed is the fruit of thy womb, (Jesus) Lk 1:42 Holy Mary, mother of God, Lk 1:43 pray for us sinners, now,
rev 5:8 and at the hour of our death, Matt 24:13 amen!

A Royal greeting!

Lk 1:28 is the only place in the Bible where such a greeting takes place!
Mary is of the tribe of Judah and the royal house of David the king!

God himself is greeting Mary thru the instrument of the angel Gabriel!

This is a Royal greeting of the queen of heaven and earth! Queen of the angels and saints! Mary is of the house of king David!

In the line of king David the mother of the king is the queen, as Jesus Christ is the king of heaven and earth and the angels and saints so Mary is the queen of the same! Lk 1:32-33

Lk 1:28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
29 And when she had heard, she was troubled in his word, and thought what manner salutation this was.
30 And the angel said to her, Dread thou not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.

Mary is queen in rev 12:1 and heb 4:16
Mother of divine grace

 

[Ronald Nolette]

But were they reputable sources or just anti-Catholic web sites promoting Hislop like rubbish?

Can you provide some links to them?

Simply type in who was Nimrods wife- you will get all sites you need, but I suspect yo will call all of them disreputable.

Catholics don't bake cakes to Mary.
As to the pagan title of Queen of Heaven. Giving honour to the true Queen of Heaven is not wrong because some pagans 3,000 years ago gave honour to a false queen of heaven, just as worshipping the one true God is not wrong because some pagans 3,000 years ago worshipped false gods.

so when I was Catholic at Our Lady of the Sacred Heart and had communion dedicated to her I was under some delusion? Or when the the priest consecrated host in a monstrance marched behind the statue of mary not some big thing to Mary?

No, Saturnalia wasn't the 25th December

Saturnalia was an ancient Roman festival and holiday in honour of the god Saturn, held on 17 December of the Julian calendar and later expanded with festivities through to 23 December.

(Wikipedia)

Originally celebrated on December 17, Saturnalia was extended first to three and eventually to seven days. (Encyclopedia Brittanics)

The Saturnalia was an enduring Roman festival dedicated to the agricultural god Saturn which was held between the 17th and 23rd of December each year during the winter solstice (worldhistory.org)

You should have read further in the Britannica:

"The influence of the Saturnalia upon the celebrations of Christmas and the New Year has been direct. The fact that Christmas was celebrated on the birthday of the unconquered sun (dies solis invicti nati) gave the season a solar background, connected with the kalends of January (January 1, the Roman New Year) when houses were decorated with greenery and lights, and presents were given to children and the poor. Concerning the gift candles, the Romans had a story that an old prophecy bade the earliest inhabitants of Latium send heads to Hades and phota to Saturn. The ancient Latins interpreted this to mean human sacrifices, but, according to legend, Hercules advised using lights (phos means “light” or “man” according to accent) and not human heads."

I'm not interested in you-tube fantasies.
If you have proper historical evidence then provide it.

too bad. Direct quotes from popes you do not consider proper historical evidence. Well I do not want anymore web sites quoted. I also want proper historical evidence. I can play that as well. I suspectr you fear that you will be shown things and then are able to verify them with what you consider reputable sources.

Woodrow was an honest man who, when he did some proper research, found that Hislop's claims were bogus. I suggest you read Woodrow's book. It is very interesting

And how did you verify Woodrows verity and how did you veriffy Hislops lack of verity? You must be real old if you know both. I suggest you read Hislops book and then check out his footnotes ( there are many) you might be surprised!

Totally untrue and you provide no evidence to support such an error.

I can but based on your bias- I am convinced you will find them improper historical evidence. You tube can provide many with the references to the written material.

but I will give you one- why is the bishop miter shaped the way it is?

Totally untrue and you provide no evidence to support such an error.

Very true. The church was not centered in rome until Constantine. Matter of fact prior to Constantine, Diocletian was emperor and he was teh last to officially persecute the church Look it up in your "proper" historical sources. (BTW it says the same on you tube OH_NO!!!!!!!)

 

[Webers_Home]

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FAQ: Did baby Jesus have any biological grandmothers?

A: Yes.

FAQ: Who?

A: Eve. (Gen 3:15)

Sarah. (Gen 17:9, Matt 1:2, and Luke 3:34)

Rahab. (Matt 1:5 and Luke 3:32)

Tamar. (Gen 38:29, Matt 1:3, and Luke 3:33)

Ruth. (Ruth 4:17, Matt 1:5, and Luke 3:32)

Bathsheba. (2Sam 12:24 and Matt 1:6)

And of course Mary's mom; whose name isn't given.

NOTE: When all else fails you can always fall back on Gen 3:15 because
pretty much everyone on both sides of the aisle concur that the woman
spoken of in that verse is Eve.
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[Webers_Home]

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FAQ: I've been told that children inherit the so-called "fallen nature" from
their biological fathers. Is that why baby Jesus was virgin conceived?

A: Whence did Eve get it?

She was constructed with material taken from Adam's body prior to the
forbidden fruit incident. Since himself tasted the fruit after his wife was
born; then it was impossible for Adam to pass the so-called fallen nature to
her by means of heredity.

In the past, I was sure that the chemistry of the forbidden fruit had
something to do with the first couple's altered moral perception; but now I
seriously doubt it because the woman was the first to eat the fruit, and when
she did, nothing happened. She remained just as shameless in the buff as
before. It wasn't till Adam tasted the fruit that the woman began to feel
exposed; so I'm pretty sure that the underlying cause is far more serious
than the chemistry of that fruit.

Ruling out Adam, and ruling out the fruit; we're left with two alternatives:
either God did it to them or the Serpent did it. My money is on the Serpent,
a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2)

He has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the
human body and the human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke
13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.

The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to wield his power the moment
that Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me how quickly it
takes effect. Not long after Adam tasted the fruit, he and his wife both
immediately set to work cobbling together some rudimentary aprons to
cover up their pelvic areas.

I really have to hand it to the Serpent; he's very good at shifting blame
away from himself. For quite a few years now it's been traditional to believe
biological fathers propagate the fallen nature; when it's been the Serpent
at work all along.

How he has managed to deceive so many people for so long a time I don't
know, but what's really ironic about it is that there are people behind pulpits,
and chairing whole Sunday school departments, helping him do it as
unsuspecting accomplices; which goes to show that if an idea is repeated
often enough, widely enough, and loud enough by people held in high
regard; pretty soon it's accepted by the masses as fact without thought or
question.

A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong;
Gives it a superficial appearance of being right.
Thomas Paine
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[theefaith]

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FAQ: Did baby Jesus have any biological grandmothers?

A: Yes.

FAQ: Who?

A: Eve. (Gen 3:15)

Sarah. (Gen 17:9, Matt 1:2, and Luke 3:34)

Rahab. (Matt 1:5 and Luke 3:32)

Tamar. (Gen 38:29, Matt 1:3, and Luke 3:33)

Ruth. (Ruth 4:17, Matt 1:5, and Luke 3:32)

Bathsheba. (2Sam 12:24 and Matt 1:6)

And of course Mary's mom; whose name isn't given.

NOTE: When all else fails you can always fall back on Gen 3:15 because
pretty much everyone on both sides of the aisle concur that the woman
spoken of in that verse is Eve.
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Gen 3:15 can’t be eve!
It says enmity total war none of Satans works are found in Mary
Eve on the other hand was in union with Satan in the fall of man
As Mary cooperated in our salvation
Lk 1:30 Found our salvation
Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation
Lk 2:30 mother of our salvation

 

[Webers_Home]

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Mary cooperated

It wouldn't have done Jesus' mom any good to refuse. The angel's mission
didn't seek her consent. Her selection to bring Jesus into the world was set;
and nothing she could do about it.
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[Mungo]

Simply type in who was Nimrods wife- you will get all sites you need, but I suspect yo will call all of them disreputable.



so when I was Catholic at Our Lady of the Sacred Heart and had communion dedicated to her I was under some delusion? Or when the the priest consecrated host in a monstrance marched behind the statue of mary not some big thing to Mary?



You should have read further in the Britannica:

"The influence of the Saturnalia upon the celebrations of Christmas and the New Year has been direct. The fact that Christmas was celebrated on the birthday of the unconquered sun (dies solis invicti nati) gave the season a solar background, connected with the kalends of January (January 1, the Roman New Year) when houses were decorated with greenery and lights, and presents were given to children and the poor. Concerning the gift candles, the Romans had a story that an old prophecy bade the earliest inhabitants of Latium send heads to Hades and phota to Saturn. The ancient Latins interpreted this to mean human sacrifices, but, according to legend, Hercules advised using lights (phos means “light” or “man” according to accent) and not human heads."



too bad. Direct quotes from popes you do not consider proper historical evidence. Well I do not want anymore web sites quoted. I also want proper historical evidence. I can play that as well. I suspectr you fear that you will be shown things and then are able to verify them with what you consider reputable sources.



And how did you verify Woodrows verity and how did you veriffy Hislops lack of verity? You must be real old if you know both. I suggest you read Hislops book and then check out his footnotes ( there are many) you might be surprised!




I can but based on your bias- I am convinced you will find them improper historical evidence. You tube can provide many with the references to the written material.

but I will give you one- why is the bishop miter shaped the way it is?




Very true. The church was not centered in rome until Constantine. Matter of fact prior to Constantine, Diocletian was emperor and he was teh last to officially persecute the church Look it up in your "proper" historical sources. (BTW it says the same on you tube OH_NO!!!!!!!)

I'm not running around for you.
FACT: You have made a lot of claims but not provided a shred of evidence to back them up.

If you provide evidence I will look at it. Until then you are just trolling.

 

[theefaith]

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It wouldn't have done Jesus' mom any good to refuse. The angel's mission
didn't seek her consent. Her selection to bring Jesus into the world was set;
and nothing she could do about it.
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really?

Lk 1:38 she consented just as Eve consented to the fall

 

[Paul Christensen]

Biblical Mary:

Mother of God Lk 1:43

Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity

Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30

Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

The Virgin Mary whom RCs worship is nothing more than an idol conceived from someone's imagination. Paul says that an idol is no god at all, and absolutely nothing. The real Mary, mother of Christ is in Paradise along with the spirits of all other deceased believers awaiting the Second Coming of Christ. Therefore the Virgin Mary, depicted in the statues, is nothing, just like all other idols that take the place of the God of the Bible.

 

[theefaith]

The Virgin Mary whom RCs worship is nothing more than an idol conceived from someone's imagination. Paul says that an idol is no god at all, and absolutely nothing. The real Mary, mother of Christ is in Paradise along with the spirits of all other deceased believers awaiting the Second Coming of Christ. Therefore the Virgin Mary, depicted in the statues, is nothing, just like all other idols that take the place of the God of the Bible.

no idol
No worship
No offering f sacrifice
No adoration

obedience to scripture
Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

And honor
And devotion
And reverence are NOT NOT NOT worship!

 

[Paul Christensen]

no idol
No worship
No offering f sacrifice
No adoration

obedience to scripture
Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

And honor
And devotion
And reverence are NOT NOT NOT worship!

Reverence to nothing nevertheless.

 

[Wrangler]

mary is only the mother of Jesus
So Jesus must be Lord

Agreed. Jesus is one of many lords in the Bible. Jesus is lord but not the LORD God almighty, our Father.

 

[theefaith]

Reverence to nothing nevertheless.

Behold thy mother!

What does Behold in scripture mean?

A marvelous thing!
A miraculous action!
A wonder!
An awe inspiring declaration!

Behold thy mother!

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not asking John to care for His Mary, if so He would have said so, he is not even speaking to John, scripture says He is addressing the disciple, therefore it applies to all disciples.

Jesus is making Mary spiritual mother to all disciples! And all disciples take Her into thier home, And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!

What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He gave Mary to be the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation! Behold, I make all things new!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.




Blessing from God thru Mary!

All graces come to us they Mary, from God by the merits (blood) of Christ!
Jn 1:16
Of His fullness we have all received, grace for grace!

Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit!

Lk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

John sanctified in the womb!

Lk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Lk 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

Zacharias is filled with the Holy Spirit and prophecy!

Lk 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

The wedding couple have wine and not shame!

Jn 2: 10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

The disciples are supplied with faith, hope, and charity!

11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

All these blessings from God because of Mary most holy!

Mother of Divine Grace!

Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

The throne of Grace is the throne of Mary the ever Virgin mother of God!

We come boldly to this throne cause Mary is our mother and advocate!

Mary is the storehouse of divine graces!

Lk 1:28
And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.

All graces come from the merits of Christ, from His passion and death and come thru Mary to the glory of Her only begotten Son!

 

[theefaith]

Agreed. Jesus is one of many lords in the Bible. Jesus is lord but not the LORD God almighty, our Father.

Not the father no but lord God almighty yes

 

[Wrangler]

Not the father no but lord God almighty yes

No. There are many lords. God is not a lord but the LORD. Nowhere in Scripture is Jesus referred to as the LORD, only Lord, like many others in the Bible. You do discern the difference, right?

 

[BreadOfLife]

1. Babylon is the mother of all mystery religions and p[art of those mystery religions is a private confessional.
2.. I did a google search and came up with many sources showing Semiramis was nimrods wife!
3. Dec. 25th is trhe fewast of Saturnalia which basically corresponmds to he winter solstice and signifies rebirth of the planet. Whether Nimrod was born on that date, I care less.
4.Sunday was a day of worship for many secvts of sun-god worshippers. It was so named sunday inhonor of the son god. c'mon this stuff isn't even hard.
5. I don't know about Nimrod, but Israel in following the tradition 0of the pagans around them baked round cakes to honor the Queen of Heaven (Jer. 7& Jer. 44)
6. God forbid the decorating of trees with ornaments as the heathen did. Jer. 10

Unfortunately Jack Chick is a very bitter man who mixes truths with myth so it pollutes everything.

but the fact that the Roman church was conceived by Constantine and borne in the sixth century is beyond dispute. It slowly and surely adopted many of the customs of many of the false religious systems around them to placate many of the forced converts to Christianity.

But if you wish I can give you you -tube links that quote popes themselves that show they defy Scripture in many many areas.

I find it interesting that Catholic apologists who generally have no use for evangelicals will flock to Woodrow because He attacked Hislop. I haven't read his work in many years, but if you want to go on some points, I will be glad to discuss with you.

WOW.
Your ignorance and gullibility FAR exceed that of any uneducated rube I've ever come in contact with.

For starters - just because you "Googled" something DOESN'T make it true. For your information - according to REAL sources like the Encyclopedia Americana, Encyclopedia Britannica, Encyclopedia Judaica, Encyclopedia of Religion, and World Book Encyclopedia - not only do they say NOTHING of Semiramis and Nimrod being married - but that they didn't even live in the same century.
Everything you said after that on the subject collapses like so many dominoes . . .

As for your incredibly idiotic claim in RED about Constantine - not only is this manure, it can't be proven.
The Romans were REAL sticklers about records, decress, declarations and other documents.
SHOW ME the document from Constantine that promulgated the Catholic Church.

If you can't do that - then YOU as guilty of violating god's command against bearing FALSE WITNESS against over a billion people.

 

[Taken]

only Mary is the biological mother of Jesus Christ
The mother of our salvation
Mother of God

Mary is NOT the Biological mother of Jesus.
Nothing of Mary Caused her To be pregnant with Jesus...not her blood, her flesh, her will, cells, seed, idea, intercourse...zip.

John 1
[13] Which were born,
not of blood,
nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man....

Mother of your salvation.
My Salvation is the Lord God Almighty, He is eternal, without Mother or Father.

Mother of your God.
My God is eternal, without Mother or Father.

 

[Webers_Home]

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FAQ: Why was Mary selected for Jesus' mother?

A: It was due to a combination of genetics and the moment.

1» Mary was a Jew biologically related to David (Rom 1:3) and

2» Joseph was a Jew biologically related to David (Matt 1:20) and

3» Their confluence in history. (Gal 4:4)