Biblical Mary
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Ronald Nolette
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And with your belief in who you think she is- God calls it idolatry! there is only one intercessor between God and Man- Jesus! Mary can do no more to intercede for you than an ear of corn!
If I am not mistaken, the Catholic church teach that Mary is the Queen of Heaven. But I don’t find that in scriptures. What I find in scriptures is what Mary herself says who she is, that is, she is “hē doulē Kyriou”.
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R4493
Luke 1:28 (And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed areyou among women!”), is not a prayer.
Luke 1:42 (Then she spoke out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!) isn’t a prayer. It was Elizabeth’s greeting to Mary.
And what weaving is done of scriptures to come up with a prayer to Mary.
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R4494
Yes there is and I'm sure it has been presented to you many times. But you choose to pretend otherwise.
There is Scriptural evidence and I'm sure it has been presented to you many times. But you choose to pretend otherwise.
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You make up false reasons for rejection such praying
No it doesn't. You are just ignorant of Scripture and ancient
Judaism
That is not the reason for believing in the Assumption. More of your false assertions.
I have never heard that hymn and you give no source so I do not know if it is Catholic, or has hierarchical approval.
The Hail Holy Queen prayer/hymn that I am familiar with is:
Hail, holy Queen, mother of mercy,
our life, our sweetness, and our hope.
To you do we cry,
poor banished children of Eve.
To you do we send up our sighs
mourning and weeping in this vale of tears.
Turn, then, most gracious Advocate,
your eyes of mercy towards us;
and after this exile
show us the blessed fruit of your womb, Jesus.
O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.
I don't know a tune for this only for the original Latin - Salve Regina....
That has hierarchical approval. It is the hymn sung at the end of Compline - the night prayer of the Church. It has been sung for centuries by monks and nuns before retiring to bed.
Do you have a problem with it?[/QUOTE]
Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!
Proving That Mary is not a goddess and this tittle does not apply to Mary most holy, ever virgin mother of God!
Lk 1:28 Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amounts women.
How can a goddess be full of grace?
Hail Mary full of grace!
How can the Lord be with a goddess?
The lord is with thee!
How can a goddess be blessed!
Blessed art thou, and all generations shall call me blessed!
Lk 1: 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
How can a goddess be the mother of God?
Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
How could a goddess be faithful?
Lk 1: 46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
How could a goddess glorify God or have a savior?
Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
How could a goddess be humble?
Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
How could a goddess be the immaculate conception and the have the Holy Spirit accomplish the Miraculous conception of Jesus?
Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
How could a goddess be a perpetual Virgin bringing forth the savior of the world?
Jn 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
How could a goddess be our spiritual mother?
Only a heretical fundamentalists brainwashing can say so!
Thus endeth this useless conversation!
then why would it you to pray these scriptures?
Mary’s sublime privlages are not idolatry
Explain Lk 1:49?
remember these are things God has done
Biblical Mary:
Mother of God Lk 1:43
Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity
Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30
Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34
Blessing from God thru Mary!
All graces come to us they Mary, from God by the merits (blood) of Christ!
Jn 1:16
Of His fullness we have all received, grace for grace!
Salvation Lk 1:30
Consented to our salvation Lk 1:38
Mother of Christ Matt 1:16
Mother of the word Jn 1:1
Mother of our savior Matt 1:21
Mother of our salvation Lk 2:30
Our mother Jn 19:26-27
Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit!
Lk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
John sanctified in the womb!
Lk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Lk 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
Zacharias is filled with the Holy Spirit and prophecy!
Lk 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
The wedding couple have wine and not shame!
Jn 2: 10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
The disciples are supplied with faith, hope, and charity!
11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.
All these blessings from God because of Mary most holy!
Mother of Divine Grace!
Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
The throne of Grace is the throne of Mary the ever Virgin mother of God!
We come boldly to this throne cause Mary is our mother and advocate!
Mary is the storehouse of divine graces!
Lk 1:28
And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
All graces come from the merits of Christ, from His passion and death and come thru Mary to the glory of Her only begotten Son!
Queen Esther
Fair Esther 2:7
Mary all fair Song of Solomon 4:12
Found Favor Esther 2:17
Mary found favor with God Lk 1:30
Esther saves her people interceding with the king
Mary provides the savior of the world!
Lk 2:10-11
2 Tim 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
2 Tim 2: 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. How much more Mary who was prepared by God thru the immaculate conception! Lk 1:49
Heb 2:7
Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands
Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun.
Crown of stars = queen Mary
A Royal greeting!
Lk 1:28 is the only place in the Bible where such a greeting takes place!
Mary is of the tribe of Judah and the royal house of David the king!
God himself is greeting Mary thru the instrument of the angel Gabriel!
This is a Royal greeting of the queen of heaven and earth! Queen of the angels and saints! Mary is of the house of king David!
In the line of king David the mother of the king is the queen, as Jesus Christ is the king of heaven and earth and the angels and saints so Mary is the queen of the same! Lk 1:32-33
Lk 1:28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
29 And when she had heard, she was troubled in his word, and thought what manner salutation this was.
30 And the angel said to her, Dread thou not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.
Mary is queen in rev 12:1 and heb 4:16
Mother of divine grace
Ronald Nolette
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No, REvelation 12 is the opiunion of the hierarchy of the romanist church and then made doctrine of Romanism. It is opnion and not Scripture. For if you keep that passage in its context it becomes crytalclear it cannot be mary. she wears a stephanos not a diadem. Avocotrs not a royal crown.
Then read the rest of the passage and show us from history when this happened:
Revelation 12
King James Version
12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Ronald Nolette
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You are correct in all your questions, but yet Romanism has made that poor woman a queen, co-redemptrix, co mediatris, fount of all grace ,
Mother most pure,
Mother most chaste,
Mother inviolate,
Mother undefiled,
Mother most amiable,
Mother most admirable,
Mother of good counsel,
Mother of our Creator,
Mother of our Savior,
Virgin most prudent,
Virgin most venerable,
Virgin most renowned,
Virgin most powerful,
Virgin most merciful,
Virgin most faithful,
Mirror of justice,
Seat of wisdom,
Cause of our joy,
Spiritual vessel,
Vessel of honor,
Singular vessel of devotion,
Mystical rose,
Tower of David,
Tower of ivory,
House of gold,
Ark of the covenant,
Gate of heaven,
Morning star,
Health of the sick,
Refuge of sinners,
Comforter of the afflicted,
Help of Christians,
Queen of angels,
Queen of patriarchs,
Queen of prophets,
Queen of apostles,
Queen of martyrs,
Queen of confessors,
Queen of virgins,
Queen of all saints,
Queen conceived without original sin,
Queen assumed into heaven,
Queen of the most holy Rosary,
Queen of families,
Queen of peace
Holy Mother of God,
Holy Virgin of virgins,
Mother of Christ,
Mother of the Church,
Mother of divine grace,
Anyone not indoctrinated in Romanism would say she is an idol or goddess of the Romanists.
As I have shown, Mary herself says who she is, that is, she is “hē doulē Kyriou”. That is explicit and needs not one to make conjectures or put in ideas and thoughts into the Biblical text.
Do you know what is “hē doulē Kyriou” in English?
Tong
R4496
Why? What do you suppose praying is?
I am curious, does your bible teach you to pray to Mary?
Tong
R4497
All this has been explained to you many times.
If you wish to remain ignorant of Scripture, anti-Mary and anti-Jesus then so be it.
you can’t have it both ways
you can’t say the child is Jesus but the woman is not mary
If the child is Jesus and Mary is his mother the woman must be Mary!!!
man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron:
co-redemptrix, co mediatrix are not defined catholic dogmas
I’m working on scriptures for the others
Proving That Mary is not a goddess and this tittle does not apply to Mary most holy, ever virgin mother of God!
Lk 1:28 Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amounts women.
How can a goddess be full of grace?
Hail Mary full of grace!
How can the Lord be with a goddess?
The lord is with thee!
How can a goddess be blessed!
Blessed art thou, and all generations shall call me blessed!
Lk 1: 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
How can a goddess be the mother of God?
Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
How could a goddess be faithful?
Lk 1: 46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
How could a goddess glorify God or have a savior?
Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
How could a goddess be humble?
Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
How could a goddess be the immaculate conception and the have the Holy Spirit accomplish the Miraculous conception of Jesus?
Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
How could a goddess be a perpetual Virgin bringing forth the savior of the world?
Jn 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
How could a goddess be our spiritual mother?
Only a heretical fundamentalists brainwashing can say so!
Lk 1:28 Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amounts women.
How can a goddess be full of grace?
Hail Mary full of grace!
How can the Lord be with a goddess?
The lord is with thee!
How can a goddess be blessed!
Blessed art thou, and all generations shall call me blessed!
Lk 1: 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
How can a goddess be the mother of God?
Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
How could a goddess be faithful?
Lk 1: 46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
How could a goddess glorify God or have a savior?
Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
How could a goddess be humble?
Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
How could a goddess be the immaculate conception and the have the Holy Spirit accomplish the Miraculous conception of Jesus?
Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
How could a goddess be a perpetual Virgin bringing forth the savior of the world?
Jn 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
How could a goddess be our spiritual mother?
Only a heretical fundamentalists brainwashing can say so!
then pray Lk 1:28
Good enough for Angels!
Good enough for the Bible!
Good enough for me!
Hail Mary! Full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women,
Lk 1:28 blessed is the fruit of thy womb, (Jesus) Lk 1:42 Holy Mary, mother of God, Lk 1:43 pray for us sinners, now,
rev 5:8 and at the hour of our death, Matt 24:13 amen!
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