BIBLE VERSIONS CAN AFFECT SALVATION
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Doug, a competent exegete knows when to take a verse in a broad or figurative sense, or literally. You have failed to recognize the difference here.
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You are showing your ignorance in regards to why some verses are not in other versions. It’s not that those versions omitted them, my friend. The newer versions use mss that are much older and closer to when the originals were written, and those verses that were in the mss used by KJV translators had them, and those verses are very questionable.
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It is actually more correct to understand that, the KJV interpreters erroneously added these verses, not that they were deleted by subsequent versions. Although the KJV scholars were sincerely working from the best manuscripts that they had at that time, later manuscript discoveries proves the short comings in their version.
Don't get fanatical Doug, reason and logic perceives this circumstantial process very clearly, and therefore understands why our versions are, as they are.
Good point, I don't think that the verse that you quoted is entirely in context to the point, but it is very closely related. i.e. frivolous discussions or exegesis, over trivial and extraneous issues.
AMEN IN CHRIST
For Doug's information, this is what Soli Deo Gloria stands for. We may add, Those whom God predestinated He effectually called, freely justified and HAD SAVED WITHOUT having glorified them in themselves whatsoever.
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My gifted teacher reprinted the Tischendorfs NT. At the bottom of each page, he gives the comparison of the Codex Alexandrinus, Codex Vaticanus, and the Codex Sinaiticus. What each of them may have added or omitted compared to the original Greek texts.
If anyone has a question about a specific verse, I could tell you what these three earliest translations did.
I gave up worrying about the meaning of every word and verse and just stick to the Bible's BIG PICTURE.
If we believe Jesus is the Son of GOD we are saved by faith.
If that faith then keeps us from being like the sinners of Revelation 22:14-15 then we have nothing to worrry about whether we live through Armageddon or perish before or during it.
All Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, JWs, atheists, agnostics, BigBang evolutionists, Mormons and such are doomed to destruction for ignoring 22:14-15.
If we believe Jesus is the Son of GOD we are saved by faith.
If that faith then keeps us from being like the sinners of Revelation 22:14-15 then we have nothing to worrry about whether we live through Armageddon or perish before or during it.
All Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, JWs, atheists, agnostics, BigBang evolutionists, Mormons and such are doomed to destruction for ignoring 22:14-15.
well that is the intent to show the KJV as though its in error, in the name of reprinting in a so called modern English. usually by organizations that are not British. this subtly undermines confidence in the text. to brake out a modern version in the American use of language is futile for those who seek accuracy. the American use of language changes constantly. even the dictionaries continue to modify their documents yearly.
the OED dictionary (20 volume version) covers what English words meant at the time of the KJV translation, and because you can know the understood use of a word then you can know the meaning in the text of the KJV. it stands to reason the KJV is the Lord's intended version its withstood public scrutiny for over 400 years, copies have been sent all over the world more so then any other document in print, and still stands as the most trusted English text. most other languages other than the originals and Latin are based the KJV, and most of the English versions are also based on the KJV.
I never worried about anything except loosing the Spirit of Christ. The love of hearing a gifted teacher unveil the hidden truths in God's word was an extra blessing God put in my path.
Im experiencing my own epistle, but it gives such Joy to see a reflection of similarities in the surrendered life we are living with those who lived it in the past.
And " believing" Jesus is the Son of God is not Faith towards God, and will avail nothing.
Affecting doctrinal understanding is something very different than affecting salvation. Docterine and scripture are super important , but they are not what saves. Christ alone saves.
The "whole and pure" and Living Word of God is that which comes out of His mouth.
"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matt 4:4
Without the lead of the Holy Spirit who can speak or hear the Living Word of God? A devil quoting what is written against a man led by or filled with the Holy Spirit will Not prevail. Do the devil's words, even quoted scriptures, have Life? Consider the what Jesus said about his own words:
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63
Here the devil quotes Psalm 91:11-12
"And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone." Matt 4:7
And then Jesus quotes Deut 6:16 back at him:
"Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" Matt 4:7
Both of them quoted the scriptures. Why did what Jesus quoted prevail?
"The spirit now working in the children of disobedience" is "a liar from the beginning" now speaking as the Spirit of God in them.
Just " believing" is not even a true act of Faith.
Faith is an act, based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence.
Defined by the Vines as " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender."
The Strong's," pisteuo means NOT just to believe."
Not your fault that your being decieved, but will be if you don't look into it!
This comment shows that you know nothing of the matter. If there are 1,000 witnesses in a court of law and five of them contradict what the other 95 have said, who are the liars?
A handful of corrupt manuscripts -- PRIMARILY JUST TWO -- became the basis of corrupting the Bibles. Therefore the KJV translators should not be accused of *erroneously adding* verses. It was Gnostic heretics who mutilated the Scriptures to falsify doctrines.
Take some time to properly study the matter before you embarrass yourself further.
...yes, but if those 95 witnesses belong to a common identity, they we don't consider the view of just the 95 to be comprehensive enough. Especially when the 5 have a greater weight to the truth, due to their affinity with the source. Thus, numbers do not always count for credibility.
Your logic is extremely discrediting!
An eclectic approach is always a more indicative view of an entire attestation, as opposed to a subset.
And, in the case of such a critical approach, earliest and shortest takes precedence. For that's common sense within any investigational process, of things pertaining to antiquity.
Enoch111, don't you ever get tired of being wrong all the time?
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