goddess worship is condemned
1st commandment only God may be worshiped
why does Jesus not simply ask John to care for his mother
why make her the mother of the disciple
Bible alone
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goddess worship is condemned
1st commandment only God may be worshiped
why does Jesus not simply ask John to care for his mother
why make her the mother of the disciple
Yes, men have lots of councils about other men. Are they always necessary or correct? Were you or I eye witnesses to what occurred at that time?
Luther, like everyone of us, you and I too, made some mistakes and committed some sins. That is according to scripture.
Where are the heretics today? Are the Protestants or other believers in the One God, who have never known God as Catholics, heretics for not being Catholics? I was a Catholic but I backslid from there. God had mercy on me and did draw me back to Him... but it was not through the Catholic Church. Was God wrong? Was I wrong? I do not believe so in either case!
Must God work only as you understand it or prescribe for Him to work? I don't expect an answer to that last question...
Try to understand where I am with God. Try to understand where other non-formal Catholics are who really do love God in other places. You are seemingly sincere in your dedication to His service. Do not presume that I or some others here are not!
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CadyandZoe
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The blood of Jesus is the basis of the New Covenant. Baptism is the initiation ritual associated with becoming a Jesus-follower. The ritual of baptism is NOT a means to God's grace.
CadyandZoe
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John explains the meaning. "From that hour the disciple took her into his own household." Jesus' mother didn't need care. She could take care of herself. But after Jesus' death on the cross, she would have no place to live. Jesus is asking the disciple to allow his mother to become part of his household.
scripture says so
Merits of christ’s blood applied in the sacraments!
Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Wrangler
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taking care does not require motherhood
Where’s her other so called children?
He is NOT speaking to John but the disciple therefore to all disciples
Spiritual mother
like Rachel was spiritual mother to Israel
Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!
The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!
Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.
CadyandZoe
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Jesus isn't asking John to take care of his mother. He asked her to take his mother into his household. And Jesus isn't asking Mary to "mother" John.
Thus we see the problem with authoritarian based interpretations of the Bible. Some of us study the Bible in order to learn what the Bible says. Others of us study Church dogma in order to learn what the church says. You are attempting to tell me that the Bible and your dogma agree. But in order to make your case, your argument must come "from" the text.
The text makes one, unambiguous statement about Jesus' mother and the disciple that Jesus loved: The disciple and Mary were to become as mother and son, living in the same household. That's all. Nothing else was said or even implied.
You have NO textual basis for your claim that Mary is our spiritual mother. None.
CadyandZoe
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What scripture? There is no scripture teaching that God needs, requires, nor honors a physical means to his grace. The entire New Testament, in fact, teaches us the opposite.
With regard to the blood of Jesus, we did not supply that, Jesus did. Jesus voluntarily faced torture and death on a cross so that we might be freed from sin and have eternal life.
God's grace is not mediated through baptism. The act of baptism is nothing more than a signal event, alerting those in attendance that one wishes to begin a new life in Christ. Whether or not this becomes a reality depends strictly and solely on the heart attitude and strength of character of the one who gets into the water. What is essential is contrition, confession, and honesty. The presence of these spiritual conditions signal the work of the Holy Spirit in the heart of someone whom God intends to save.
Bottom line: God's salvation is proactive not reactive. He is not responding to us; we are responding to him.
The Bible says hold to the doctrine of the apostles acts 2;42
Nicene Creed!
One baptism for the forgiveness of sins!
acts 22:16
Faith of the apostles
CadyandZoe
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CadyandZoe
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1 Corinthians 1:2
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
1 Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Ephesians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Holy sacrament of baptism!
really? Scripture says so
matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.
Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
CadyandZoe
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Baptism isn't a sacrament. Sanctification is something God does on his own, without a physical means to prompt him.
