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It seems that the law of Christ (?) is the societal standard in civilized western community discussion.
Transgressors are obvious and usually corrected.

I'm making an assumption about what you mean by the phrase "the law of Christ".

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I just mean the basic idea of esteeming others better than ourselves.

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That's an interesting view.
I still find myself at 180 degrees the other direction, but it's certainly worth consideration.
If you have more compelling argument, bring it. Maybe a challenging question?

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Say more, if you will.

I'm not really understanding you here, I don't think.

(We are kind of derailing the thread, too.)

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St. SteVen said:
Why wouldn't this same logic (anti-logic?) apply to Satan?
Well, you might have a point if Satan were the Sovereign of the universe and made himself a man to suffer and die for the sins of the world.

If I didn't know you better, I'd think you were trying to test me as to whether I'd be reduced to a pearl-clutching fit. :p
My point was that if we are are going to project a whole different set of moral standards on the spiritual realm, then it should extend to the WHOLE spiritual realm.

I posit that God's character is superhuman, not subhuman. We should be able to freely imitate the character of God.
Which for me takes incinerating (or drowning) your enemies off the plate.

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Say more, if you will.

I'm not really understanding you here, I don't think.
Simply put, genocide is genocide. It doesn't become non-genocide if God does it.
Destroying all life on a planet is genocide. The end does not justify the means.

It seems to me that there could have been a better solution than a grand cover-up.

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We should be able to freely imitate the character of God.
That's the divine plan...
“28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. ”
Romans 8:28-29 KJV
The above however, despite the allusion to God's predestining people to be recreated in the image of Christ, cannot be extended to include the whole of humanity, as Paul himself said, such purpose within the heart of God is for those He knows...For whom he did foreknow... and who know Him. It is a relational paradigm, not a universal sovereignty paradigm.
Which for me takes incinerating (or drowning) your enemies off the plate.
This I agree with. Sadly, the idea of introducing millions to slavery, and/or the flames and fires of judgment early after mock trials and arrogant inquisitions and pompous arrogant demands of servitude and demeaning servile labour even for children in the hope of inducing "repentance" and submission to religious leaders' authority, is still an infallible dogma within at least one institution, and destined perhaps to be repeated soon in another, all based on a gross misapprehension of God's character.
However, when we consider Job, we are made fully aware from whence his troubles came.
 
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The above however, despite the allusion to God's predestining people to be recreated in the image of Christ, cannot be extended to include the whole of humanity, as Paul himself said, such purpose within the heart of God is for those He knows...For whom he did foreknow... and who know Him. It is a relational paradigm, not a universal sovereignty paradigm.
Yes. I would say primarily for those who know him now. But two things to consider:
1) Countless billions have gone to the afterlife having not met Him yet.
2) Even if we haven't met Him, we have a God-given human conscience to guide us to do right.
If we respond appropriately, we are replicating God's character. And reaping the benefits.

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Yes. I would say primarily for those who know him now. But two things to consider:
1) Countless billions have gone to the afterlife having not met Him yet.
2) Even if we haven't met Him, we have a God-given human conscience to guide us to do right.
If we respond appropriately, we are replicating God's character. And reaping the benefits.

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The Bible says God is just. He will not condemn one soul that He did not first give opportunity to repent. Many people maintain that God will give those who died without Him a second chance. Some even go to the ridiculous lengths of believing Jesus went to hell to preach to those who died in the flood. Yet it was the Spirit of Christ on Noah who preached to those people and warned them for 120 years, and God giving them a great miraculous sign of clean animals calmly filling into the boat in pairs, and unclean in groups of 7. And they think they need a second chance? No. Like many today who are locked into their infatuation with sin and pleasure, they deliberately and arrogantly trampled on their God given opportunities and spurned God's grave and mercy. In the final analysis, God will give sinners what they have chosen. To take them to heaven with their rebellious attitudes would be a clear and present danger for the future of heaven. Which is why in Revelation we are told that murderers, liars, adulterers, and the proud, are outside the gate of the city, while all inside are protected from the fire that destroys them all. That's not an act of genocide against innocent people, that's an act of mercy in protecting God's own people from those who in the past threatened to destroy them, and will do so when given an opportunity in the future.
 
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The Bible says God is just. He will not condemn one soul that He did not first give opportunity to repent. Many people maintain that God will give those who died without Him a second chance. Some even go to the ridiculous lengths of believing Jesus went to hell to preach to those who died in the flood. Yet it was the Spirit of Christ on Noah who preached to those people and warned them for 120 years, and God giving them a great miraculous sign of clean animals calmly filling into the boat in pairs, and unclean in groups of 7. And they think they need a second chance? No. Like many today who are locked into their infatuation with sin and pleasure, they deliberately and arrogantly trampled on their God given opportunities and spurned God's grave and mercy. In the final analysis, God will give sinners what they have chosen. To take them to heaven with their rebellious attitudes would be a clear and present danger for the future of heaven. Which is why in Revelation we are told that murderers, liars, adulterers, and the proud, are outside the gate of the city, while all inside are protected from the fire that destroys them all. That's not an act of genocide against innocent people, that's an act of mercy in protecting God's own people from those who in the past threatened to destroy them, and will do so when given an opportunity in the future.
Well said @Brakelite.

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The Bible says God is just. He will not condemn one soul that He did not first give opportunity to repent.
Agree.
How will that work from a practical perspective?

Many people maintain that God will give those who died without Him a second chance.
It's not a second chance if you never had a first chance.
Nothing is left to chance anyway.

Some even go to the ridiculous lengths of believing Jesus went to hell to preach to those who died in the flood. Yet it was the Spirit of Christ on Noah who preached to those people and warned them for 120 years
The Genesis account doesn't support that claim, even though it is stated in the NT.

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St. SteVen said:
It's not a second chance if you never had a first chance.
Nothing is left to chance anyway.
You think God condemns folk without that opportunity?
No.

Everyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection) Scriptural support below.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Further reading: Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Revelation 15:4

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Simply put, genocide is genocide. It doesn't become non-genocide if God does it.
Destroying all life on a planet is genocide. The end does not justify the means.

It seems to me that there could have been a better solution than a grand cover-up.

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So do you hate God because he took some humans lives? Or do you revision God to your own human personality?

God continues to take human life today. Many suggest it’s Satan, but God is the life giver and the life taker.
 

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From what I been taught there are many people who just simply don’t like how God did in the Old Testament.

Some people try to envelope God into their own ways compared to his ways.
 

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If a particular denomination or denominations are intimately involved in prophetic events that spell trouble for those remaining faithful to the gospel and God's calling on their lives, but we cannot expose them as the danger and hypocrites that they are, even deceived of Satan and we being limited in warning others of those dangers, what are we to do?
How would y'all suggest we go about exposing deception in favor of truth without being described as 'attacking'?
That would be those who deny the everlasting Hell fire that Jesus warned us of several times!
 

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Simply put, genocide is genocide. It doesn't become non-genocide if God does it.
Destroying all life on a planet is genocide. The end does not justify the means.

It seems to me that there could have been a better solution than a grand cover-up.

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So God was wrong? Your opinions do not overrule God of the Bible!