attacking another denomination are included in this rule.

[St. SteVen]

Dangerous.

Why?

I might agree, but how do we arrive at this conclusion?
Is not the purpose of every religion to find God?

If a religion teaches us to submit to God's law, what is the outcome?

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[Marvelloustime]

The fear of man is a snare to the soul
The fear of GOD is to depart from evil .
The fear of GOD is good , the fear of man is a snare .
Knowing that all God says , every word is good for our soul , that would include His warnings as well .
It is good to always behold BOTH the goodness and severity of GOD .
But in this latter age through a false love we have witnessed the severity of GOD being removed . As a result
a false goodness of God is being taught . And it gets worse by the day and even now by the hour .
Silence TRUTH and evil takes over . Well that do include SILENCING correction .
The call is now made , I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire , be zealous and repent .
For a strong delusion has come to take captive the world and yes even the false within christendom to a lie .
We must have no such part or lott in that lie . Beware it has come in under the guise that it is love
that it is tolerant and loving , that it is OF GOD and it has come to awaken this people to merge as one .
ONLY it aint coming of GOD and it is not the peace n safety that is gonna bring PEACE N SAFETY to this world .
THOUGH those who lead in it surely think this lie is the solution for world peace n safety .
NO sir its gonna bring down THE WRATH OF GOD against all who made and loved this lie . Just a reminder my friend .

 

[BarneyFife]

St. SteVen said:
Doesn't that oftentimes lead to fear? (terror)

That would be terror.
You better comply, if you know what's good for you. Otherwise... (this is a threat)


Yes, most approachable... (no terror)


Cognitive dissonance.


That would be terror. Trembling in fear.


Cognitive dissonance.

Some humans (way too many) report a relationship with a father that was good to them...
except when he often beat them to a pulp in his anger. (fear/terror)

A father that terrorizes you is a bad father. Child protection steps in to intervene the abuse.
Christian accept the idea about God, because (they reason) no one can stop Him.
Which makes their opinion of God as a tyrant. "The goodness and severity..."

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Do we then simply dismiss portions of Scripture such as this as uninspired(?):

Romans 11:22 — Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.


:)

 

[BarneyFife]

The unbalanced view of the character of God puzzles me. Actively beholding Him whom to know is life eternal is lacking from from so much of 'Christian' discussion.

The Man who completely healed so many suffering ones in 1st century Palestine also thoroughly cursed an unfruitful fig tree, utterly destroying it.

I can recognize that the latter event is very disturbing but I feel no comfort or safety in denying its occurrence, nor its symbolic implications.

I would rather emphasize the former, and see no harm in doing so, but I cannot ignore the latter in good conscience. The Bible is too heavy with similar messages for me to risk one day having folks rightly gnashing at me, saying:

"You knew this was coming and chose not to warn me?!!"

I guess I might be seen as a terrorist of sorts.

Romans 5:6-10 — For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Matthew 3:12 — Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

:)

 

[Lizbeth]

A good father doesn't burn their children for refusing a free gift.

You are using carnal reasoning of the carnal mind and need to seek the Lord for understanding, or perhaps to seek Him for the new birth at which time one receives the ability to understand spiritual things (subject to also growing in the Lord).

And you're misrepresenting the case here. It's not just any free gift like a toy or a new shirt. What people are refusing is the Way to eternal life and therefore they will not receive eternal life. That shouldn't be hard to grasp any more than the father analogy is. God has given life to every man and beast...a temporal life that has an end. He isn't obligated to grant eternal life to anyone, but has graciously made a way, at great cost, for man to escape death and inherit eternal life.......for whosoever will.

 

[Lizbeth]

Dangerous.

The Pope is so misguided, oh my!.....the blind leading the blind. The way that seemeth right to unregenerated or deceived man leads to DEATH, sadly. He presents a straw man argument there.....It's not about competing for the best "religion", it's just about the truth that saves. And Jesus Christ is the Truth. And the Way. And the Life. There is just no other Way, or Truth or Life on offer for mankind. Boils down to, are we going to keep going our own way, or repent of that and accept/receive God's Way?

 

[St. SteVen]

Do we then simply dismiss portions of Scripture such as this as uninspired(?):

Romans 11:22 — Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Translation make a HUGE difference. Seems to be more of a firm decisiveness than cruelty.
Compared to a sheer drop on a rock cliff. A sharpness.

Romans 11:22 NIV
Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell,
but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

Strong's Concordance
apotomia: sharpness, steepness
Original Word: ἀποτομία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: apotomia
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ot-om-ee'-ah)
Definition: sharpness, steepness
Usage: (lit: sheerness, of a rock), abruptness, harshness, severity, rigor.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 663: ἀποτομία
ἀποτομία, ἀποτομιας, ἡ (the nature of that which is ἀπότομος, cut off, abrupt, precipitous like a cliff, rough; from ἀποτέμνω), properly, sharpness (differing from ἀποτομή a cutting off, a segment); severity, roughness, rigor: Romans 11:22 (where opposed to χρηστότης, as in Plutarch, de book educ. c. 18 to πραότης, in Dionysius Halicarnassus 8, 61 to τό ἐπιεικές, and in Diodorus, p. 591 (except 83 (fragment 50:32, 27, 3 Dindorf)) to ἡμερότης).

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[St. SteVen]

He isn't obligated to grant eternal life to anyone

So, he predestined everyone to hell. That's quite a plan for humankind created in his image.
A whole planet full of children to burn. Not that we should call the genocide.
His ways are higher than ours. (seriously?) His thoughts beyond understanding. (incomprehensible)

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[amigo de christo]

Amen. Man being independent of God is the reason for death and evil in the world. Beginning with Adam and Eve in the Garden. Independence through disobedience by definition is what cuts us off from the Lord, who is the only source of Life. We cut ourselves off from Him when we go our own way through sin. That is the indictment against fallen man.....that each one has, unwisely and against the truth, gone his own way. And as the bible says "the way that seemeth right to man leads to death". Old saying that when it comes to man, the solution to one problem is the beginning of another problem....we just have to look around to see how true that is....and scripture is true which says only "the blessing of God addeth no sorrow to it." The Lord is so wise....much wiser and smarter and seeing and knowing than we are. We need to just believe Him, His word, even when we don't yet understand - because our carnal mind is enmity with God and fights against what it can't perceive...the truth.

Isa 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Unto any and unto all who reject , who refuse to believe JESUS is the CHRIST , upon them their inquity remains .
And unto any and unto all who came to and come too a jesus that sure dont seem to expose their error
sure seems to be okay with sin , well THEIR INQUITY remains . CAUSE THEY DIDNT BELIEVE JESUS they beleived
in another jesus . that jesus dont save either .
Even paul warns about turning away FROM HIM .
Even paul warns about how the sacrfice for sins will not be upon those who hardened them hearts .
Even paul warned about beware lest their be in you an evil heart of unbelief in departing FROM .............
This generation has fallen in love with a fruity pebbles and cocoa puffs god that seems to
be fine with certain sins , and the paths of man , and even HATES HIS OWN WORDS and TEACHINGS .
THAT god aint GOD , that jesus aint JESUS . satan knows how to quoate things , satan knows how to decieve
and to allure and he will do it unto those whose love is for the flesh . HE has them sister .
HE has them . And if one will not , refuses , rejects , the TRUE JESUS THE CHRIST and that GOSPEL that saves
THEN THEY NEVER GONNA KNOW HIM or even know they are still lost , still in darkness , and headed right to perdition .

 

[amigo de christo]

So, he predestined everyone to hell. That' quite a plan for humankind created in his image.
A whole planet full of children to burn. Not that we should call the genocide.
His ways are higher than ours. (seriously?) His thoughts beyond understanding. (incomprehensible)

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NO HE predestined that JESUS would save and that to be saved ONE MUST BELIEVE .
If you have a problem with that , TAKE IT up with GOD .
GOD has every right to predetermine and to determine . WE aint God , we aint but a flea on a dog
who should be LAYING PRONE and THANKING GOD for THE MERCY HE even gave us IN CHRIST JESUS .
I am done with doctrines of men gone wrong . DONE i tell ya and i will expose every last doctrine that is contrary TO HIM .
We should be on our knees THANKING HIM non stop for WHAT HE DID .
rather than hollering MOST HOLY father to men who love the pre emenince and who have DECIEVED christendom
WE ought to be IN THE BIBLE , THANKING GOD EVERY DAY for HIS MERCY and stop trying
to air condition hell , or the severity of GOD , but rather PREACHING JESUS THE CHRIST and not some other jesus either .

 

[amigo de christo]

Dangerous.

The man is a man of belial i tell ya . But he is not alone . not even close
a massive amount of the protestant realm is under men who do this bidding .
I bet dollars to donuts most folks are gonna think what i just said was hateful , judgmental and dead wrong .
Hold not a breath waiting for me to retract it . And if it costs me total rejection from this place
then the cost is what i shall wear as a badge of honor . THOUGH I will surely weep and weep for the people .
We really should have been in the bible to learn for ourselves . But many rather heed men who twist stuff .

 

[amigo de christo]

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Isnt that something dear sister . most folks have no idea that what i am bringing comes RIGHT from the bible
but it sure seems by grace you can find it in the BIBLE and show it .
GEE i wonder why that is . Do you love the truth in that bible , AS DO I , and thus YOU LOVE TO READ IT .
I bet the answer is a RESOUNDING YES . IT seems many cannot even discern something is of the bible
UNLESS one actually brings the verse and etc . MANY are not reading that bible for themselves .
AND IF THEY DO they read what little they do through the lens of their denomination or etc .

 

[amigo de christo]

You are using carnal reasoning of the carnal mind and need to seek the Lord for understanding, or perhaps to seek Him for the new birth at which time one receives the ability to understand spiritual things (subject to also growing in the Lord).

And you're misrepresenting the case here. It's not just any free gift like a toy or a new shirt. What people are refusing is the Way to eternal life and therefore they will not receive eternal life. That shouldn't be hard to grasp any more than the father analogy is. God has given life to every man and beast...a temporal life that has an end. He isn't obligated to grant eternal life to anyone, but has graciously made a way, at great cost, for man to escape death and inherit eternal life.......for whosoever will.

You spot on right sister . HE said a GOOD FATHER dont burn his children for rejecting the gift .
Number one there is no man that is GOOD
GOD HAS TO DESTROY evil . how many people have a problem with a vision of the earth
that is free from all evil . YET THEY JUDGE GOD who is gonna do just that .
THE THING IS GOD DESIRES NOT the death of the wicked . HE DOES LOVE , SO HE SENT THE SON
so those who DO BELIEVE will be saved .
St steven is not alone sister . there are many who are already beliving stuff like this .
AND thus they believe we and GOD himself are the haters
as they follow another version of what they THINK IS GOD .
GOD is surely gonna destroy this place , HE WILL DO SO
and ITS HIS RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT .
BUT HE HAS GIVEN MAN a way out . NOT THAT WE DESERVED IT . I AMTHE LAST PERSON that deserved HIS GRACE
but mark my words , NO MAN DOES deserve it . GOD is not OBLIGATED as you so rightly said .
THIS generation has not idea IT HATES THE TRUE GOD and loves another god
who has REBELLED against GOD and is leading all to all out rebellion against GOD . they seem to love this other god
and its version of love . A delusoin is ravaging the world and christendom and many do fall for it .

 

[BarneyFife]

Translation make a HUGE difference. Seems to be more of a firm decisiveness than cruelty.
Compared to a sheer drop on a rock cliff. A sharpness.

Romans 11:22 NIV
Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell,
but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

Strong's Concordance
apotomia: sharpness, steepness
Original Word: ἀποτομία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: apotomia
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ot-om-ee'-ah)
Definition: sharpness, steepness
Usage: (lit: sheerness, of a rock), abruptness, harshness, severity, rigor.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 663: ἀποτομία
ἀποτομία, ἀποτομιας, ἡ (the nature of that which is ἀπότομος, cut off, abrupt, precipitous like a cliff, rough; from ἀποτέμνω), properly, sharpness (differing from ἀποτομή a cutting off, a segment); severity, roughness, rigor: Romans 11:22 (where opposed to χρηστότης, as in Plutarch, de book educ. c. 18 to πραότης, in Dionysius Halicarnassus 8, 61 to τό ἐπιεικές, and in Diodorus, p. 591 (except 83 (fragment 50:32, 27, 3 Dindorf)) to ἡμερότης).

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Kind of makes the plight of those who came before modern translations seem unenviable, at best.

:)

 

[BarneyFife]

So, he predestined everyone to hell. That' quite a plan for humankind created in his image.
A whole planet full of children to burn. Not that we should call the genocide.
His ways are higher than ours. (seriously?) His thoughts beyond understanding. (incomprehensible)

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So, the only two options are "predestined for hell" or "obligated to grant eternal life to everyone?"

Sort of sounds like His thoughts aren't beyond understanding, after all. Just sayin'.

:)

 

[Ritajanice]

You are using carnal reasoning of the carnal mind and need to seek the Lord for understanding, or perhaps to seek Him for the new birth at which time one receives the ability to understand spiritual things (subject to also growing in the Lord).

Not referring to the poster you posted this to.


I just love it ,completely understand it, then say 100% Amen!...to those words.....see how the Lord speaks to his children through each other...Praise God!

 

[amigo de christo]

Kind of makes the plight of those who came before modern translations seem unenviable, at best.

:)

Why?

I might agree, but how do we arrive at this conclusion?
Is not the purpose of every religion to find God?

If a religion teaches us to submit to God's law, what is the outcome?

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Well how is his message doing that . HE didnt say all religoins NEED To believe JESUS is the CHRIST
HE said our truth is no better than theirs . HE is lying friend .
AND JESUS is being trod under foot . This is not at all about winning them to CHRIST
ITS about JOINING THE RELIGOINS as ONE

 

[amigo de christo]

Not referring to the poster you posted this to.


I just love it ,completely understand it, then say 100% Amen!...to those words.....see how the Lord speaks to his children through each other...Praise God!

To the LORD be all the glory dear sister .
Let us always remember that anything that does not give Him glory is something we want no part of dear sister .
another gospel , another false hope that saves none will ever GLORIFY CHRIST who saves .
Let us never point to any but JESUS the CHRIST and no other religoin or mindset can save , NOR does it GLORIFY GOD who
SENT the SON to be the savoir . In the beginning of the gospel and during the times of the apostels and of paul
ALways REMEMBER they all went about preaching the DIRE NEED to BELIEVE ON CHRIST JESUS
today , today its very sad that mostgo around trying to imply or find some kind of way to believe THERE is no need to BELIEVE
on JESUS . But the true lambs have always known and through all ages by grace they have known
and they have all preached and reminded of the dire NEED to , TO BELIEVE ON HE WHOM GOD DID send .
ALways let us remember this . For there is no other NAME that can save and we must proclaim
to all the dire necessity to BELIEVE ON HIM . The LORD was with them on earth
and THEN from HEAVEN by the SPIRIT . HE will be with us too dear sister . Many now sleep
and have finished their course . Ours it not yet done and its us who by grace must carry on the one true gospel
till our last breath OR THE LORD do come for the lambs . HE is with us . PRAISE BE TO HIS GLORIOUS NAME .

 

[amigo de christo]

So, the only two options are "predestined for hell" or "obligated to grant eternal life to everyone?"

Sort of sounds like His thoughts aren't beyond understanding, after all. Just sayin'.

:)

Christendom in large has lost something .
And as a result of what it has lost most no longer even have the knowledge
on how to really save lost souls . ITS LOST the one true gospel . THOUGH some still do preach the truth
most now in these last days go around trying to offer up false hope to the lost .
A hope that will not save them or any they preach it too either .
In the first days the true apostels and peoples were busying reminding all of the absolute dire need to BELIEVE on JESUS the CHRIST .
today most go around trying to preach the idea its not necessary .
So different from the true message and way the early church and true lambs do things .
We made our bed with the wrong men . men of this world whose desire for the easy road , perhaps money and gain
to just go with the flow . These are very sad days my friend .
I have to spend most of my time reminding folks that these messages of this interfaith , this stuff is false
and remind them about the dire need to BELEIVE . But man is that message rejected and sadly
even seen as judgmental and hateful even amongst christendom . WE really need
to get back to the basics , back to the bible and fast . My heart is very heavy for so many . I desire only good
but for my love i am hated . But , be that as it may my mind is fully persauded and i shall not cease till my last breath
or the Lord do come .

 

[Marvelloustime]

To the LORD be all the glory dear sister .
Let us always remember that anything that does not give Him glory is something we want no part of dear sister .
another gospel , another false hope that saves none will ever GLORIFY CHRIST who saves .
Let us never point to any but JESUS the CHRIST and no other religoin or mindset can save , NOR does it GLORIFY GOD who
SENT the SON to be the savoir . In the beginning of the gospel and during the times of the apostels and of paul
ALways REMEMBER they all went about preaching the DIRE NEED to BELIEVE ON CHRIST JESUS
today , today its very sad that mostgo around trying to imply or find some kind of way to believe THERE is no need to BELIEVE
on JESUS . But the true lambs have always known and through all ages by grace they have known
and they have all preached and reminded of the dire NEED to , TO BELIEVE ON HE WHOM GOD DID send .
ALways let us remember this . For there is no other NAME that can save and we must proclaim
to all the dire necessity to BELIEVE ON HIM . The LORD was with them on earth
and THEN from HEAVEN by the SPIRIT . HE will be with us too dear sister . Many now sleep
and have finished their course . Ours it not yet done and its us who by grace must carry on the one true gospel
till our last breath OR THE LORD do come for the lambs . HE is with us . PRAISE BE TO HIS GLORIOUS NAME .

Brother @amigo de christo is spotted.