attacking another denomination are included in this rule.

[St. SteVen]

Who said anything about trashing people...that is in YOUR head, not mine. I sure will "trash" lies though and any organization that is leading souls astray......we all should do that.....we are told in scripture to EXPOSE the works of darkness....and that is for the good of people/souls who God loves, not to trash them.

Thank you.
I will be more direct on this...

Do you, or do you not, support the Seventh Day Adventists as a Christian denomination?

Perhaps you prefer to call them a cult?
This topic is about attacking other denominations. So, it seems like an appropriate question to ask you.

You showed up with a rant about false prophecies. An obvious slam on the 1844 SDA prophecy.
Which was mentioned in the post directly before your post.

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[Lizbeth]

Thank you.
I will be more direct on this...

Do you, or do you not, support the Seventh Day Adventists as a Christian denomination?

Perhaps you prefer to call them a cult?
This topic is about attacking other denominations. So, it seems like an appropriate question to ask you.

You showed up with a rant about false prophecies. An obvious slam on the 1844 SDA prophecy.
Which was mentioned in the post directly before your post.

[ cc: @Brakelite

Just so we are clear that cult, rant and slam are your words not mine. I don't know anything about the 1844 prophecy....was it someone date setting? If it was, it would have been a foregone conclusion that it was wrong, according to the words of Jesus who taught that no one knows (or will know) the day or the hour and that He is coming suddenly and at a time when no-one expects( or predicted).

Do you believe Jesus is the author of denominations? HIS church doesn't come with our careful observation that we may say lo here it is at the Vatican in Rome or there it is at SDA headquarters, or the Temple in Jerusalem either, but is a spiritual body. What I see in scripture is the simplicity of Christ, not man-made "forms".

Who is it that "beguiles" us away from the simplicity of Christ as Eve was beguiled by the serpent (2 Cor 11:3) ? (Eve being a figure/type for the church that was born of Jesus' side. ) And Jesus simply said, "Wherever two or three are gathered in my name there am I in the midst."

We see that word beguile in Colossians 2 as well....the tendency to be beguiled by men to follow the ways of the flesh is something Paul was battling to keep out of the early church, God bless him:

Col 2:4
And this I say, lest any man should beguile/deceive you with enticing words.

Col 2:18-19
Let no man beguile/deceive you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels (means messengers, not necessarily heavenly ones) intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

And not holding the Head (someone or something else taking His place as head) from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

I recommend a prayerful and careful reading of that whole chapter.

 

[St. SteVen]

Just so we are clear that cult, rant and slam are your words not mine. I don't know anything about the 1844 prophecy....was it someone date setting? If it was, it would have been a foregone conclusion that it was wrong, according to the words of Jesus who taught that no one knows (or will know) the day or the hour and that He is coming suddenly and at a time when no-one expects( or predicted).

Do you believe Jesus is the author of denominations? HIS church doesn't come with our careful observation that we may say lo here it is at the Vatican in Rome or there it is at SDA headquarters, or the Temple in Jerusalem either, but is a spiritual body. What I see in scripture is the simplicity of Christ, not man-made "forms".

Who is it that "beguiles" us away from the simplicity of Christ as Eve was beguiled by the serpent (2 Cor 11:3) ? (Eve being a figure/type for the church that was born of Jesus' side. ) And Jesus simply said, "Wherever two or three are gathered in my name there am I in the midst."

We see that word beguile in Colossians 2 as well....the tendency to be beguiled by men to follow the ways of the flesh is something Paul was battling to keep out of the early church, God bless him:

Col 2:4
And this I say, lest any man should beguile/deceive you with enticing words.

Col 2:18-19
Let no man beguile/deceive you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels (means messengers, not necessarily heavenly ones) intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

And not holding the Head (someone or something else taking His place as head) from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

I recommend a prayerful and careful reading of that whole chapter.

I'll take that as a "No."
You do NOT support the Seventh Day Adventists as a Christian denomination.
Thanks.

Why the rant about prophecy if it was NOT in reference to the previous post?
You can see why I would make that connection.

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[Marvelloustime]

To the trenches dear sister . When o when is christendom gonna figure out
that its due to the silencing of warning and exposure of that which is evil , THAT THE Churches have TANKED and collapsed .
They are now weighed down with much sin and can hardly even lift their arm up for the weight of that bondage .
And when they do manage to raise an arm up , IT SEEMS to have a diverse flag in it .
When on when are the peoples gonna return to the bible for themselves . TO learn and to grow
and to no longer be taken captive by clever and decietful men .

 

[Marvelloustime]

She aint condenming , she is simply reminding . As even you yourself said that you debate etc .
To remind , rebuke , correct , warn , is not condeming .
To even seperate company from those who wont heed is not condemning .
The only ones who condemn are those who reject and they condemn themselves .
Its not the ones that follow the pattern of GOD and correct and warn that do the condeming
or trashing . ITS NEEDFUL . very NEEDFUL .

 

[Marvelloustime]

To the trenches dear sister . When o when is christendom gonna figure out
that its due to the silencing of warning and exposure of that which is evil , THAT THE Churches have TANKED and collapsed .
They are now weighed down with much sin and can hardly even lift their arm up for the weight of that bondage .
And when they do manage to raise an arm up , IT SEEMS to have a diverse flag in it .
When on when are the peoples gonna return to the bible for themselves . TO learn and to grow
and to no longer be taken captive by clever and decietful men .

Brother @amigo de christo is spotted.

 

[St. SteVen]

Brother @amigo de christo is spotted.

This spotted amigo is man's best friend.



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[Lizbeth]

I'll take that as a "No."
You do NOT support the Seventh Day Adventists as a Christian denomination.
Thanks.

Why the rant about prophecy if it was NOT in reference to the previous post?
You can see why I would make that connection.

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Are you talking about this part of Brakelite's post below?

>> And 1844. William Miller preached for years on that date, and no one could criticise his biblical reasoning of the prophecy. The date of 1844 is rock solid. So you don't like the idea of God judging you before He comes? So find an alternative. What was 1844 all about then?<<

I don't know what he meant by that....the date of 1844 being rock solid etc..? In back of my mind my post had to do with Miller making a couple of predictions about the return of Christ (date setting) that turned out wrong......his biblical reasoning on that HAD to be wrong since it contradicts Jesus saying we will not know the day and hour and it will be when we do not expect, and that is the reason we are to be ready and watching at all times. In truth I was aiming at date setting in general, because Miller is not the only one who has done it. Many have tried. "The revealed things belong to us, but the secret things belong to God"....and this must be one of those secret things, according to Jesus.

 

[Lizbeth]

This spotted amigo is man's best friend.

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Awww....too cute...what an adorable feller. I hope you meant it kindly.

 

[St. SteVen]

Are you talking about this part of Brakelite's post below?

>> And 1844. William Miller preached for years on that date, and no one could criticise his biblical reasoning of the prophecy. The date of 1844 is rock solid. So you don't like the idea of God judging you before He comes? So find an alternative. What was 1844 all about then?<<

I don't know what he meant by that....the date of 1844 being rock solid etc..? In back of my mind my post had to do with Miller making a couple of predictions about the return of Christ (date setting) that turned out wrong......his biblical reasoning on that HAD to be wrong since it contradicts Jesus saying we will not know the day and hour and it will be when we do not expect, and that is the reason we are to be ready and watching at all times. In truth I was aiming at date setting in general, because Miller is not the only one who has done it. Many have tried. "The revealed things belong to us, but the secret things belong to God"....and this must be one of those secret things, according to Jesus.

Right.
I don't have a problem with your response to that.
But based on the topic title and the post before your post, it seemed like a slam on the SDAs.

In my view the SDAs are a group that is too often marginalized. They are actually good people. IMHO
So, I get defensive when I see them taking unnecessary grief. (grr...)

Sorry if I misjudged you. But... you still have not made a positive statement about them.

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[amigo de christo]

This spotted amigo is man's best friend.

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That ball of fuzz looks like a red merle australian shepard pup . Maybe some catahoula .

 

[Brakelite]

Are you talking about this part of Brakelite's post below?

>> And 1844. William Miller preached for years on that date, and no one could criticise his biblical reasoning of the prophecy. The date of 1844 is rock solid. So you don't like the idea of God judging you before He comes? So find an alternative. What was 1844 all about then?<<

I don't know what he meant by that....the date of 1844 being rock solid etc..? In back of my mind my post had to do with Miller making a couple of predictions about the return of Christ (date setting) that turned out wrong......his biblical reasoning on that HAD to be wrong since it contradicts Jesus saying we will not know the day and hour and it will be when we do not expect, and that is the reason we are to be ready and watching at all times. In truth I was aiming at date setting in general, because Miller is not the only one who has done it. Many have tried. "The revealed things belong to us, but the secret things belong to God"....and this must be one of those secret things, according to Jesus.

You are right, Miller set a date for the second coming. Thing is this though. He got the date from scripture. That is what I meant by rock solid, the date itself. It came from Daniel 8:14, so he didn't make it up. That he got the event wrong, is without doubt. Yet the date itself stands. BTW, Ellen White was yet a child of 16 at this time and attended Millers meetings with her family. The Seventh Day Adventist Church did not exist then.
The above error however doesn't detract from the fact that contemporary writers and commentators of that era confirm that Millers meetings were accompanied by a genuine revival spirit of repentance and searching for truth and Bible study. All night prayer meetings and bible studies were taken up by a small group of those who were disappointed when the day had passed and Jesus hadn't come. Yet they knew from their studies that the daute was real. So what happened? They went back to Daniel. They studied the whole book of Daniel and tied everything together, using the same hermeneutic as the reformers. 20 years later the SDA church was born.

 

[Lizbeth]

Right.
I don't have a problem with your response to that.
But based on the topic title and the post before your post, it seemed like a slam on the SDAs.

In my view the SDAs are a group that is too often marginalized. They are actually good people. IMHO
So, I get defensive when I see them taking unnecessary grief. (grr...)

Sorry if I misjudged you. But... you still have not made a positive statement about them.

[ cc: @BarneyFife

It depends on your definition of a slam.....examining, testing, comparing and critiquing in the light of scripture is not slamming. Was it my all-caps that bothered you? That was just me shouting it from the rooftops...that according to what Jesus was saying nobody is ever going to get the date right, so we shouldn't try. It applies to everyone. Both points of my post and all those scriptures are for all of us to help us see by and examine whatever we need to examine in light of them.

 

[St. SteVen]

It depends on your definition of a slam.....examining, testing, comparing and critiquing in the light of scripture is not slamming. Was it my all-caps that bothered you? That was just me shouting it from the rooftops...that according to what Jesus was saying nobody is ever going to get the date right, so we shouldn't try. It applies to everyone. Both points of my post and all those scriptures are for all of us to help us see by and examine whatever we need to examine in light of them.

That's fine.
When and where your post appeared led to my erroneous conclusions.
You claimed innocence. That's enough for me. I believe you.

But... you have had several opportunities to answer the direct question:
Do you, or do you not, support the Seventh Day Adventists as a Christian denomination?

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[amigo de christo]

That's fine.
When and where your post appeared led to my erroneous conclusions.
You claimed innocence. That's enough for me. I believe you.

But... you have had several opportunities to answer the direct question:
Do you, or do you not, support the Seventh Day Adventists as a Christian denomination?

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as with the jw , as with any other place that has blended errors with doctrine , it must all be exposed .
Many now even believe the mormon religion are part of us . And you gotta know that is a deadly dangerous blasphemous
doctrine to sit under . As with the RCC .
you see ask not whether we think they are a part of us , ask whether or not all dangerous doctrine ought not to be exposed
and warned against .
Whether or not one cliams to be of us , All dangerous and deadly doctrines must be ceased and taught against .
We are fast becoming too concerned with just unity and fellowship .
We ought to be very concerned about the welfare of this people and the deadly doctrines that folks are trapped under .

 

[Lizbeth]

You are right, Miller set a date for the second coming. Thing is this though. He got the date from scripture. That is what I meant by rock solid, the date itself. It came from Daniel 8:14, so he didn't make it up. That he got the event wrong, is without doubt. Yet the date itself stands. BTW, Ellen White was yet a child of 16 at this time and attended Millers meetings with her family. The Seventh Day Adventist Church did not exist then.
The above error however doesn't detract from the fact that contemporary writers and commentators of that era confirm that Millers meetings were accompanied by a genuine revival spirit of repentance and searching for truth and Bible study. All night prayer meetings and bible studies were taken up by a small group of those who were disappointed when the day had passed and Jesus hadn't come. Yet they knew from their studies that the daute was real. So what happened? They went back to Daniel. They studied the whole book of Daniel and tied everything together, using the same hermeneutic as the reformers. 20 years later the SDA church was born.

Brother...regardless of anything else, denominations are not of God, they are formed by man - fleshliness. It's kind of a principle that Jesus has sent us out as sheep among wolves....and only a remnant will overcome this. The Lord has longsuffered and mitigated the errors of His church for a long time but am I wrong in believing that the time for reckoning is here..? It is all leading and has led to apostasy and will be judged. We need to get our minds renewed in the scriptures, as to His vision for His church, and see if we need to come out of "her" and go to Him outside the camp or receive of the consequences. Jesus said if the salt has lost its saltiness it is fit only to be thrown out and trampled by men.....strong delusion is being sent, luring all who received not a love of the truth, and the beast is going to turn on the harlot church in the end of this. As Israel is our example for our admonition, these are like the days of Jeremiah for the church, weeping for Israel and what was soon about to befall her. And with 70 AD as well, Jesus saying to the woman to weep not for him but weep for her children. That the church would take warning as well.....God is not a respecter of persons....if it happened to Israel it is going to happen to the church that has fallen away too.

 

[Lizbeth]

That's fine.
When and where your post appeared led to my erroneous conclusions.
You claimed innocence. That's enough for me. I believe you.

But... you have had several opportunities to answer the direct question:
Do you, or do you not, support the Seventh Day Adventists as a Christian denomination?

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Think it should be clear enough that I dont' support any denomination....since they are not of God. I believe in the simplicity of Christ, and that Jesus saves individuals, not denominations and organizations.

 

[amigo de christo]

Brother...regardless of anything else, denominations are not of God, they are formed by man - fleshliness. It's kind of a principle that Jesus has sent us out as sheep among wolves....and only a remnant will overcome this. The Lord has longsuffered and mitigated the errors of His church for a long time but am I wrong in believing that the time for reckoning is here..? It is all leading and has led to apostasy and will be judged. We need to get our minds renewed in the scriptures, as to His vision for His church, and see if we need to come out of "her" and go to Him outside the camp or receive of the consequences. Jesus said if the salt has lost its saltiness it is fit only to be thrown out and trampled by men.....strong delusion is being sent, luring all who received not a love of the truth, and the beast is going to turn on the harlot church in the end of this. As Israel is our example for our admonition, these are like the days of Jeremiah for the church, weeping for Israel and what was soon about to befall her. And with 70 AD as well, Jesus saying to the woman to weep not for him but weep for her children. That the church would take warning as well.....God is not a respecter of persons....if it happened to Israel it is going to happen to the church that has fallen away too.

In these last hours upon earth we can see that christendom in large has gone the way it was foretold
as with the jew so with the christendom .
Take notice how the early church had fought long and hard to keep the flocks safe from errenous doctrines ,
warned against sin , warned against another jesus or another gospel
and yet even they had foretold a great falling away was to come . A time when many would no longer endure sound doctrine .
WELL IT HAS COME and now what do we hear mostly about , finding common ground , just having fellowship
BUT NO DOCTRINE , NO correction of errors
and that has led to only one thing they now correct , THOSE WHO DO SPEAK TRUTH . THEY are pushing the few
who do speak the truth OUT or demanding their conform . The call has been made
and the lambs shall heed the reminder of that call , which is , come out of her MY PEOPLE lest ye partake of HER SINS
and recieve of her plagues . GOD WILL SOON JUDGE the unrepentant
who had rejected the love of the truth whereby they could have been saved and thus believe the lie
the very lie that interfaith and etc has been leading this people unto .
Already this lie has been spoken and more and more gather under its shade and actually now believe this lie cometh OF GOD and HIS LOVE .
The lie that says and implies that all serve the same god , that the christain truth is no better than the muslims or etc .
NOW even the pope has been lipping this and others have too . IF folks stay , if folks remain
in a house that is influenced of the HARLOT , WELL THEY WILL SURELY FALL to the deceptoin .
GOD warned and later pual by the Spirit warns , DO NOT BE UNEQUALLY YOKED
but the HARLOT cries come and let us be yoked together and find common ground . AND MANY HEED THE HARLOT , NOT GOD .

 

[St. SteVen]

Think it should be clear enough that I dont' support any denomination....since they are not of God. I believe in the simplicity of Christ, and that Jesus saves individuals, not denominations and organizations.

So you are not a supporting member of any Christian fellowship?
Many have chosen that route. I am still in a church. I have attended all my life.
(I don't know any better) I have certainly had plenty of reasons to leave.
It's not a requirement, but it is mostly a blessing.

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[Lizbeth]

So you are not a supporting member of any Christian fellowship?
Many have chosen that route. I am still in a church. I have attended all my life.
(I don't know any better) I have certainly had plenty of reasons to leave.
It's not a requirement, but it is mostly a blessing.

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I haven't had anywhere to lay my head for a long time now. The Lord told me to leave the last church I was part of, when they brought in "soaking". He had already cut me off from that place so to speak, and been nudging me to leave, but I was still hanging around because I couldn't find another church, and also I just kept hoping things would turn around...then when soaking came in He told me to get out of there in no uncertain terms. I still didn't really understand what was going on or why the Lord wouldn't lead me to another church to call home......a few years after leaving and going on the internet I started to hear about more and more people leaving churches. It struck me that it was like another exodus from Egypt into the wilderness.

And around that time also I started to attend another church just as a visitor...went there to hear a visiting speaker who it turned out spoke there a few times for a while and in the course of speaking he shed light from scripture on what was happening with the church in general, and then when that speaker went away I continued to hang around mainly for the worship. Again when that church also brought in "soaking" prayer, the Lord told me urgently to leave. (Deception/delusion is God's judgment....when that begins to happen it's time to get out of there.) I think that was my Zoar, like Lot when he left Sodom. It's hard to be like Abraham and go forth not knowing where you're going, and like Lot I was wanting to cling to what I knew and loved and was familiar, but that was no longer safe. The Lord is my Shepherd and boss who knows MUCH better than me, amen.