Are You Dead to Self?

[Behold]

The cross doesn’t forgive our sins, only Gods Living witness the Holy Spirit can forgive our sins

Post a verse from a bible that says...>""Only God's living witness, the Holy Spirit, can forgive our sins".

I realize that you are deep into someone's commentary, , as all you do is post from something that you can't actually create yourself...and...what you are posting is just Bizarre, and unrelated to SALVATION... @Ritajanice

Listen,
The Cross of Christ is where Jesus shed His Blood for your sin...

If there is NO CROSS< NO SHED BLOOD< NO DEATH OF CHRIST........and then there is nothing that God has that He can provide you, as your FORGIVENESS.

Do you understand?

The Holy Spirit didnt shed His blood, as He has none to shed......and... "without the shedding of Blood, there is no Forgiveness"..

 

[Ritajanice]

We must be Born Again to have our sins forgiven.

It’s because of Jesus blood that our sins can be forgiven, via His Spirit, that’s why he had to die so that we can be Born Of His Spirit.

Nowhere in scripture does it say that we are Born Again of Jesus blood, neither does it say Jesus blood forgives our sins.

The cross is about the significance of Jesus death and the sins he took onto His shoulders.

Does the written word say that the cross forgives us of our sins I don’t think it does....it’s because of the cross that our sins can be forgiven.....it’s Jesus Spirit that saves us when we become Born Of The Spirit..

We need the shedding of Jesus blood we must also be Born Of The Spirit, the Spirit forgives our sins...that’s why Spirit must give birth to our spirit.

 

[Behold]

We must be Born Again to have our sins forgiven.

If you are born again before you sin is forgiven, then God has joined His Holy Spirit to a person whose SIN is not yet forgiven.

That is what you are Teaching @Ritajanice

God does not join Himself to sinners, unforgiven, and you need to wake up and stop teaching this blasphemy.

Maybe one of the Mods here, or "staff", can pm you, and try to reason with you, as there are 3 Members here who have tried for a MONTH to get you to stop teaching that you are "Born again IN Sin,""

 

[Ritajanice]

Only God can forgive our sins, when he draws us to Jesus, brings us to repentance/ Godly sorrow, brings us to believe in Jesus ( the natural man could never know how to bring themselves to believe in Jesus) then gifts us the supernatural faith to believe in Jesus in our spirit, that is where we are Born Again, just as Gods Witness the Living Holy Spirit testifies with our spirit, His Living word is then backed up by the written word..

Born Of The Spirit...A Living supernatural/ spiritual birth...that only God can do via His Spirit.

We need the blood of Jesus , we need to be supernaturally Born Again in our spirit....blood alone saves no one...we need that supernatural Spiritual birth from God.

We are then spiritual children of God....Spirit gives birth to spirit...very easy to understand....as Gods word doesn’t confuse....mans does and I stay well away from the confusion of man’s teachings.

I have never said our sins are forgiven before we are Born Again...our sins are forgiven when God brings us to repentance/ Godly sorrow...we are Born Again after our sins are forgiven.

 

[Episkopos]

We must be Born Again to have our sins forgiven.

No. God is merciful. Read the the bible. Being born again is a SAMPLE of grace freely given that we get to taste the Lord's goodness..otherwise we could never surrender to Him and sell all we have to buy the full measure of grace that overcomes all sin.

It’s because of Jesus blood that our sins can be forgiven, via His Spirit, that’s why he had to die so that we can be Born Of His Spirit.

No. Jesus was RAISED for out justification....what kind of justification??? The justification of LIFE...eternal life. Read the bible.

Nowhere in scripture does it say that we are Born Again of Jesus blood, neither does it say Jesus blood forgives our sins.

The cross is about the significance of Jesus death and the sins he took onto His shoulders.

For believers the cross is the power that puts our sin nature to death so that we are made free to walk in newness of life. But it is the resurrection life and power of Christ that quickens us into regeneration by the Spirit.

Does the written word say that the cross forgives us of our sins I don’t think it does....it’s because of the cross that our sins can be forgiven.....it’s Jesus Spirit that saves us when we become Born Of The Spirit..

We need the shedding of Jesus blood we must also be Born Of The Spirit, the Spirit forgives our sins...that’s why Spirit must give birth to our spirit.

People Are SOOOOOOOOOO lazy that they don't even look at a Concordance to see how the translators of the bible twisted the meaning of the word in order to appeal to a religious system. It's about numbers for them.

 

[Ritajanice]

No. God is merciful. Read the the bible. Being born again is a SAMPLE of grace freely given that we get to taste the Lord's goodness..otherwise we could never surrender to Him and sell all we have to buy the full measure of grace that overcomes all sin.

You don’t need to read the Bible to know that your spirit has been Born Again by Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit...His Spirit sets us free from spiritual sin.

No. Jesus was RAISED for out justification....what kind of justification??? The justification of LIFE...eternal life. Read the bible.

Not understanding this Epi.

You don’t have to read the written word to know you have eternal life Epi, we have eternal life when our spirit has become Born Again by Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit.....that’s the Living Spiritual birth.its a supernatural event that you will never forget....it’s mind blowing!

For believers the cross is the power that puts our sin nature to death so that we are made free to walk in newness of life. But it is the resurrection life and power of Christ that quickens us into regeneration by the Spirit.

Sorry, only the death and resurrection of Jesus, then being Born Of The Spirit can set us free from the death penalty of sin...it’s our spirit that is set free from sin...by Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit when...Spirit gives birth to spirit....only then is our spirit set free as it’s been birthed into Christ Spirit....it’s a Living supernatural/spiritual birth...when the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children.

People Are SOOOOOOOOOO lazy that they don't even look at a Concordance to see how the translators of the bible twisted the meaning of the word in order to appeal to a religious system. It's about numbers for them.

I’m not sure what you are saying here Epi.

 

[Lizbeth]

Why can't salvation be both for the inner man AND the outer man? Making the narrow way the broadway again?

Act 5:31

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Act 13:38

Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

Act 26:18

To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Eph 1:7

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Col 1:14

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

 

[Ritajanice]

How does he do this,

13He has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14in whom we have redemption,d the forgiveness of sins.

By making our spirit “ Born Again “ .
He has brought us into the Kingdom Of His beloved Son.

Only a “ Born Again “ will see the Kingdom Of God.

It’s because of Jesus death and resurrection that we have redemption and the forgiveness of sins...when we became Born Again by His Spirit

Only God can forgive us of our sins, the way he does it is via His Living Holy Spirit...who is Gods Living Witness and witnesses Gods truth to our hearts/ spirit.
The Holy Spirit does the will of God...He is the one who works in our hearts/ spirit...by Gods will....not by our will.​

◄ Colossians 1 ►

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Greetings from Paul and Timothy (Philippians 1:1–2; Philemon 1:1–3) 1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, 2To the saints and faithful brothers in Christ at Colossae: Grace and peace to you from God our Father.a Thanksgiving and Prayer (1 Corinthians 1:4–9; Philippians 1:3–11) 3We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,4because we have heard about your faith in Christ Jesus and your love for all the saints— 5the faith and love proceeding from the hope stored up for you in heaven, of which you have already heard in the word of truth, the gospel 6that has come to you. All over the world this gospel is bearing fruit and growing, just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and truly understood the grace of God. 7You learned it from Epaphras, our beloved fellow servant, who is a faithful minister of Christ on ourb behalf, 8and who also informed us of your love in the Spirit. 9For this reason, since the day we heard about you, we have not stopped praying for you and asking God to fill you with the knowledge of His will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, 10so that you may walk in a manner worthy of the Lord and may please Him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God, 11being strengthened with all power according to His glorious might so that you may have full endurance and patience, and joyfully12giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified youc to share in the inheritance of the saints in the light. 13He has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14in whom we have redemption,d the forgiveness of sins.

 

[Ritajanice]

How are we united back to God, by the death and resurrection of Jesus, then by being Born Again by His Spirit.....a Living Spiritual birth, carried out by Gods Witness, His Living Holy Spirit.​

Only a Born Again will see the Kingdom Of God.

In Jesus Name!...Amen!

5 that while we were spiritually dead in our disobedience he brought us to life with Christ

How did he bring us to life with Christ.

God uses His witness the Living Holy Spirit..who brought our “ spirit “ from death into life with Christ.

Can God come down and forgive our sins, NO, that’s why he sent the Living Holy Spirit, he is Gods Living witness and God through Him cleanses our hearts/ spirit from all sin, when he makes our spirit Born Again of incorruptible seed....

Our life is in Christ’s Spirit....

Where else would there be life if not in our spirit?...our spirit is Alive in the Spirit of Christ.

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Ephesians 2:1-10​

1 In the past you were spiritually dead because of your disobedience and sins. 1
2 At that time you followed the world's evil way; you obeyed the ruler of the spiritual powers in space, the spirit who now controls the people who disobey God.
3 Actually all of us were like them and lived according to our natural desires, doing whatever suited the wishes of our own bodies and minds. In our natural condition we, like everyone else, were destined to suffer God's anger.
4 But God's mercy is so abundant, and his love for us is so great,
5 that while we were spiritually dead in our disobedience he brought us to life with Christ. It is by God's grace that you have been saved.
6 In our union with Christ Jesus he raised us up with him to rule with him in the heavenly world.
7 He did this to demonstrate for all time to come the extraordinary greatness of his grace in the love he showed us in Christ Jesus.
8 For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith. It is not the result of your own efforts,
9 but God's gift, so that no one can boast about it.
10 God has made us what we are, and in our union with Christ Jesus he has created us for a life of good deeds, which he has already prepared for us to do.

 

[Ritajanice]

Commentary.

The Impact of Sin and the Need for Forgiveness​

As a result of original sin, our relationship with a holy and perfect God is broken. However, God provides a way for the relationship to be restored.

He sent His Son to die and pay the penalty for our sin (the penalty being death, see Romans 6:23) so that our relationship with God could be restored and we could receive eternal life.

Jesus blots out our transgressions, removing our sin from the record. Thus, we receive forgiveness for sins we have committed.

How does this transformation from transgressor to forgiven take place?

When the Holy Spirit stirs our hearts, we confess that we are sinners and admit we can never “earn” our way into the presence of a holy and pure God. Because of the Holy Spirit’s work, we can receive the grace and forgiveness that He freely gives through faith in Jesus Christ.

• “Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.’”—John 14:6
• “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”—Acts 4:12

Becoming Born Of The Spirit....is all by Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit...He does the will of God......my opinion/ testimony and belief.

To have spiritual faith in Jesus, then God must gift us that spiritual faith, where he makes our spirit Born Again..

Mind blowing!

1 Corinthians 2:10-16​

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King James Version​

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10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

 

[Ritajanice]

We must always go about our Fathers business, everything we say should come from God’s witness who indwells our spirit, a Born Again speaks whatever the Father places in our heart/ spirit to say, then check what we hear him saying via His Spirit to our spirit with the written word...if it’s not there what we heard then it was of “ self”....

None of us are or have been without error....but, only the Holy Spirit can correct our error ,he can choose whatever method pleases him.....

That is why we are called to check what we say in the Spirit....many false prophets out there, who only want to Glorify their own name.

God won’t have that......His Living witness the Holy Spirit won’t allow it, imo, testimony and belief....

I welcome discussion as long as it’s done in the Spirit, i refuse to get ensnared in arguing the toss, ..been there done all that...it’s unedifying and unfruitful....plus when we start bawling and shouting at each other, God goes out of the window as it’s then all about self/ pride/ ego.....I know it so well....for many, many years....

 

[Lizbeth]

No. Jesus was RAISED for out justification....what kind of justification??? The justification of LIFE...eternal life.

Yes, and He WAS raised for our justification.........He both died and was resurrected for our sakes.....it's a package deal, not compartmentalized.

For believers the cross is the power that puts our sin nature to death so that we are made free to walk in newness of life. But it is the resurrection life and power of Christ that quickens us into regeneration by the Spirit.

Walking in newness of life IS walking in resurrection life, according to Romans 6. Go have another look at it. We were regenerated when we came to faith and were born of the Spirit as newborn babes, but just not yet mature enough to walk like our "parents" (Christ) walk and do.

This is where we disagree. You don't believe any of this was imputed/imparted to the believer when we came to faith.....while I believe scripture says it has been......only in seed or infant form in the beginning where we are to grow and increase in the earnest that we have received. The earnest and the potential that we are to grow into are all of one. The capstone is the same as the cornerstone......Jesus Christ....who is both the Author and the Finisher, (perfector), of our faith. Christ is all in all.

 

[Lizbeth]

How are we united back to God, by the death and resurrection of Jesus, then by being Born Again by His Spirit.....a Living Spiritual birth, carried out by Gods Witness, His Living Holy Spirit.​

Only a Born Again will see the Kingdom Of God.

In Jesus Name!...Amen!

5 that while we were spiritually dead in our disobedience he brought us to life with Christ

How did he bring us to life with Christ.

God uses His witness the Living Holy Spirit..who brought our “ spirit “ from death into life with Christ.

Can God come down and forgive our sins, NO, that’s why he sent the Living Holy Spirit, he is Gods Living witness and God through Him cleanses our hearts/ spirit from all sin, when he makes our spirit Born Again of incorruptible seed....

Our life is in Christ’s Spirit....

Where else would there be life if not in our spirit?...our spirit is Alive in the Spirit of Christ.

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Ephesians 2:1-10​

1 In the past you were spiritually dead because of your disobedience and sins. 1
2 At that time you followed the world's evil way; you obeyed the ruler of the spiritual powers in space, the spirit who now controls the people who disobey God.
3 Actually all of us were like them and lived according to our natural desires, doing whatever suited the wishes of our own bodies and minds. In our natural condition we, like everyone else, were destined to suffer God's anger.
4 But God's mercy is so abundant, and his love for us is so great,
5 that while we were spiritually dead in our disobedience he brought us to life with Christ. It is by God's grace that you have been saved.
6 In our union with Christ Jesus he raised us up with him to rule with him in the heavenly world.
7 He did this to demonstrate for all time to come the extraordinary greatness of his grace in the love he showed us in Christ Jesus.
8 For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith. It is not the result of your own efforts,
9 but God's gift, so that no one can boast about it.
10 God has made us what we are, and in our union with Christ Jesus he has created us for a life of good deeds, which he has already prepared for us to do.

This is where some of us disagree with Epi in particular sister....you may have missed some of the earlier conversations......he doesn't believe these things have been imputed/given to us. He doesnt' believe we have been raised with Christ until we enter a "higher walk". Whereas I believe as the scriptures say, that all those things have been imputed and given to us as a gift........imputed gift of righteousness.........however, I believe scriptures also teach that we need to also "apprehend" them....to grow into and learn to walk in them.

There is this principle that" all things HAVE BEEN put under the feet of Jesus but we do not yet (necessarily) SEE all things put under His feet". What I call the "yes, but not necessarily yet" of what God has given to us through the cross and resurrection of Christ.....since we have a part in battling to apprehend all that the promises that are yes and amen. God is speaking in spiritual language so we need to understand these things in spirit, not logically in a compartmentalized literal way as seems to be the case with Epi.

 

[Episkopos]

This is where some of us disagree with Epi in particular sister....you may have missed some of the earlier conversations......he doesn't believe these things have been imputed/given to us.

God will only impute what He sees...not by imagination...but in truth. Abraham was righteous in His eyes. God imputes righteousness by either works or faith. He SEES fit to do such things. He can impute either righteousness or iniquity...or whatever else He sees. My position is one that is both biblical and based on truth. There is no speculative presumptive justification in the bible. That is the domain of the Pharisees that Jesus condemned...as in. You say you see...but you are blind. Same thing goes for the church of our time...the Laodicean church that claims to be something they are not. If they could claim to be filled and rich before they actually were...as you suggest...then they would not be so roundly rebuked by Jesus and threatened with a full rejection.

He doesnt' believe we have been raised with Christ until we enter a "higher walk".

That's correct. The proof we are justified in His life is that we are allowed to walk in the life that justifies us.

Whereas I believe as the scriptures say, that all those things have been imputed and given to us as a gift........imputed gift of righteousness.........however, I believe scriptures also teach that we need to also "apprehend" them....to grow into and learn to walk in them.

You have misunderstood the scriptures. There is no pretend there. A person doesn't learn to swim unless they are in the water. One can only grow into the image of Christ by walking in holiness...the higher walk. Even then, it is very hard to undo everything we have known...even when we have experienced the perfect walk for a time.

To try learning holiness without the holiness walk in heaven... is like trying to learn how to swim without access to any water. All theory...no reality.

There is this principle that" all things HAVE BEEN put under the feet of Jesus but we do not yet (necessarily) SEE all things put under His feet".

Don't confuse what God does with what we do. Many claim that they are finished because Jesus said "It is finished" . In truth, what is actually finished in them is any hope of ever advancing beyond the most basic and simplistic notion of the gospel. For these their race is "finished" before it even gets started.

What I call the "yes, but not necessarily yet" of what God has given to us through the cross and resurrection of Christ.....since we have a part in battling to apprehend all that the promises that are yes and amen.

The Pharisees claimed to be something they were not...hence Jesus called them hypocrites. And yet you think that Christians can do the very same thing and somehow not be Laodiceans?? I'm suggesting that the very nature of the Laodicean is to claim something in advance that is not true of them neither will these ever attain to.

God is speaking in spiritual language so we need to understand these things in spirit, not logically in a compartmentalized literal way as seems to be the case with Epi.

Spiritualizing something is not the same as being in a spiritual place. Holiness is about location...INSIDE Christ...to be found IN Him. In Him is no sin.

 

[Laurina]

God will only impute what He sees...not by imagination...but in truth. Abraham was righteous in His eyes. God imputes righteousness by either works or faith. He SEES fit to do such things. He can impute either righteousness or iniquity...or whatever else He sees. My position is one that is both biblical and based on truth. There is no speculative presumptive justification in the bible. That is the domain of the Pharisees that Jesus condemned...as in. You say you see...but you are blind. Same thing goes for the church of our time...the Laodicean church that claims to be something they are not. If they could claim to be filled and rich before they actually were...as you suggest...then they would not be so roundly rebuked by Jesus and threatened with a full rejection.



That's correct. The proof we are justified in His life is that we are allowed to walk in the life that justifies us.

You have misunderstood the scriptures. There is no pretend there. A person doesn't learn to swim unless they are in the water. One can only grow into the image of Christ by walking in holiness...the higher walk. Even then, it is very hard to undo everything we have known...even when we have experienced the perfect walk for a time.

To try learning holiness without the holiness walk in heaven... is like trying to learn how to swim without access to any water. All theory...no reality.


Don't confuse what God does with what we do. Many claim that they are finished because Jesus said "It is finished" . In truth, what is actually finished in them is any hope of ever advancing beyond the most basic and simplistic notion of the gospel. For these their race is "finished" before it even gets started.

The Pharisees claimed to be something they were not...hence Jesus called them hypocrites. And yet you think that Christians can do the very same thing and somehow not be Laodiceans?? I'm suggesting that the very nature of the Laodicean is to claim something in advance that is not true of them neither will these ever attain to.


Spiritualizing something is not the same as being in a spiritual place. Holiness is about location...INSIDE Christ...to be found IN Him. In Him is no sin.

Amen and amen!!

 

[Ritajanice]

◄ 2 Corinthians 3:18 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. New Living Translation So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord—who is the Spirit—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image. English Standard Version And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit. Berean Standard Bible And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. Berean Literal Bible And we all having been unveiled in face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image, from glory to glory, even as from the Lord, the Spirit

 

[Ritajanice]

One can only grow in Christ if one has been Born Of God’s seed...without that, everything else is phoney, imo.

 

[Episkopos]

One can only grow in Christ if one has been Born Of God’s seed...without that, everything else is phoney, imo.

While this is true...one can begin in the Spirit and not continue by the Spirit. Read about the Galatians and Paul's warning to them. Once we have taken a first step by the Spirit...we need to move on and be careful of the subsequent steps without always looking back to the beginning. Many will begin well, but not finish well.

 

[Ritajanice]

While this is true...one can begin in the Spirit and not continue by the Spirit. Read about the Galatians and Paul's warning to them. Once we have taken a first step by the Spirit...we need to move on a be careful of the subsequent steps without always looking back to the beginning. Many will begin well, but not finish well.

Epi,I don’t need to read about the Galatians and Paul’s warnings to them.

I have been Born Again by Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit, my spirit has been Born Again, my spirit is in Christ’s Spirit, it can’t be undone Epi, ....Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.

Liveth and abideth forever in our hearts/ spirit.

You are entitled to believe whatever you want.....I just don’t agree with your post.

If they don’t finish the race then they were never Born Again to begin with....we’re talking about a Living Spiritual birth here Epi.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.....birth!

NLT For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God. KJV Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever.

Who births our spirit, Gods Living witness of course, His Holy Spirit.....mind Blowing!!

Still is after nearly 33 yrs of being Born Of The Spirit.

 

[faithfulness]

While this is true...one can begin in the Spirit and not continue by the Spirit. Read about the Galatians and Paul's warning to them. Once we have taken a first step by the Spirit...we need to move on a be careful of the subsequent steps without always looking back to the beginning. Many will begin well, but not finish well.

"The bible is a map and the Spirit a compass". J. F. Morin