Are You Dead to Self?

[Ritajanice]

Just to let you know Epi, that you are Loved!!....God Loves you as much as me or anyone else.

God Bless You Epi.

 

[amigo de christo]

Here is the problem

The Bible says it is inspired by god

Anything outside of that does not have this claim.

You’re not God and you did not inspire gods word. So what you say should be in complete agreement with gods word. If not you are a false prophet irr we teacher or whatever you claim to be

Just as there were false prophets among the peoples
so too shall there be false teachers amongst you , who privily shall bring in DAMANABLE heresays

and it says MANY will follow their pernicious ways TOO .
we in THEM days my friend . THE END is coming . The lambs have all hope for our HOPE BE IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
let us stay well dug in scriptures and in prayers . In all things let us honor the GLORIOUS LORD who has saved us .

 

[Episkopos]

Here is the problem

The Bible says it is inspired by god

Anything outside of that does not have this claim.

For the common public with no spiritual life and discernment...yes. Beginners can trust the bible because it's all been vetted already. But to grow beyond the infant stage you will have to learn to hear God's actual voice...and recognize the people God has chosen to speak to you.

You’re not God and you did not inspire gods word.

Just because I believe in actual relationship with God doesn't mean I think I wrote the bible. You are still in the infant stage whereby you think your daddy must be able to fix all the problems in the world...or else he can't be your daddy. Can you say...naive!

So what you say should be in complete agreement with gods word. If not you are a false prophet irr we teacher or whatever you claim to be

Of course. But we are speaking about the depth of God's words...a spiritual depth you have no inkling about. read the bible. It says that the spiritual man judges all things. How? By the same Spirit that wrote the bible. Of course this sounds strange to you as it is written in the bible...it is foolishness to you.

 

[Ritajanice]

We are Born Again not by the written word.

Whoever claims the written word makes our spirit Born Again is a false prophet.

We are Born Of The Spirit.

A Living supernatural event that only God can do via His Spirit....Gods witness is the Living witness who is a “ Living “ Spirit.....He is everywhere ,waiting to make another Born Of His Spirit, A Living Spiritual Birth.

Those who believe Gods written word can make you Born Again = un- truth.

Only Gods Living witness the Living Holy Spirit, can make our spirit Born Again.....He is the one in us when he makes our spirit Born Again..The Living Witness The Holy Spirit backs up Gods written word....without God’s Living witness in our spirit.....then I’m afraid we are still dead and alienated from God.

We are Born Again of incorruptible seed that liveth and endureth forever....where...in our hearts/ spirit.....we are Spirit led....not led by men .

 

[Episkopos]

he needs to actually get back into the bible itself . compare That JESUS , that gospel
that of the apostels to what HE THINKS . it will fall far short my friend of the blessed mark too .
Any man that cometh and bringes another gospel ....................
and he do my friend .
On the day of judgment the sheep and the goats will stand before him .
NONE wants to be a goat on that day . One would be amazed
if they reread how often JESUS made it very plain about the DIRE NECESSITY to BELIEVE ON HIM
as did the apostels too . yet that aint what i see getting preached by some folks these days .
THE BELIEVE part has been removed . and that will be unto their own destruction too .

false and silly grandstanding. Have you read the bible? All the bluster with no content. The sheep and goats have nothing to do with a religious scheme...that you claim justifies you...no, it's about how they served strangers. These sheep and goats are NOT believers in Christ. Otherwise Jesus would say...to these YOUR brethren. Instead Jesus says to these MY brethren. With your reading comprehension skills at low ebb....I don't expect you to be able to tell the difference, of course.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

For the common public with no spiritual life and discernment...yes. Beginners can trust the bible because it's all been vetted already. But to grow beyond the infant stage you will have to learn to hear God's actual voice...and recognize the people God has chosen to speak to you.

But we still
Must use the word to test each spirit. Anyone can say anything and call it from God

Just because I believe in actual relationship with God doesn't mean I think I wrote the bible. You are still in the infant stage whereby you think your daddy must be able to fix all the problems in the world...or else he can't be your daddy. Can you say...naive!

Of course. But we are speaking about the depth of God's words...a spiritual depth you have no inkling about. read the bible. It says that the spiritual man judges all things. How? By the same Spirit that wrote the bible. Of course this sounds strange to you as it is written in the bible...it is foolishness to you.

lol. There you go puffing yourself up again

If you understood the debts of gods word. I doubt you would be so self focused

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We are Born Again not by the written word.

your not helping anyone with this nonsense

If it were not for the written word you would never know gods truth.

 

[Episkopos]

But we still
Must use the word to test each spirit. Anyone can say anything and call it from God

Of course. But if you want to be led by the Spirit...then you will need to discern God's voice. My sheep HEAR My voice. That of course is on 2 levels. Both to DO the commandments according to our own obedience AND to follow the directives of the Spirit of Christ.

I will be doing a podcast on hearing the words of God in a personal way. Being born of the Spirit with a subsequent (if necessary) baptism in the Spirit...gives people spiritual faculties. Then it is a question of exercising the gifts we have received...listening, meditating on His word...watching and praying.

lol. There you go puffing yourself up again

No need for that. Your infancy in the ways of God are such that they get in the way of any further growth

If you understood the debts of gods word. I doubt you would be so self focused

Do you mean the depths??? what do you know of depth?

 

[Ritajanice]

Of course. But if you want to be led by the Spirit...then you will need to discern God's voice. My sheep HEAR My voice. That of course is on 2 levels. Both to DO the commandments according to our own obedience AND to follow the directives of the Spirit of Christ.

Excellent...Amen!!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Of course. But if you want to be led by the Spirit...then you will need to discern God's voice. My sheep HEAR My voice. That of course is on 2 levels. Both to DO the commandments according to our own obedience AND to follow the directives of the Spirit of Christ.

Yes but we need to test each spirit not just blindly follow

I will be doing a podcast on hearing the words of God in a personal way. Being born of the Spirit with a subsequent (if necessary) baptism in the Spirit...gives people spiritual faculties. Then it is a question of exercising the gifts we have received...listening, meditating on His word...watching and praying.

lol. Until you show you know how to be saved your words are just your words.

No need for that. Your infancy in the ways of God are such that they get in the way of any further growth

At least I am Gods child. And you do not know me or how much I have grown. Once again you puff yourself up

Do you mean the depths??? what do you know of depth?

I know where it starts and know where it ends. From what I see you have not even started yet. You have to repent before you can stop trusting self and trust God

 

[Episkopos]

Yes but we need to test each spirit not just blindly follow

lol. Until you show you know how to be saved your words are just your words.

At least I am Gods child. And you do not know me or how much I have grown. Once again you puff yourself up

I know where it starts and know where it ends. From what I see you have not even started yet. You have to repent before you can stop trusting self and trust God

In your view of salvation it's not about walking as Jesus walked in His resurrection life...no, that is seen as suspect. Instead what you feel comfortable with is a feel good religion that has Jesus tickled pink that you would choose Him to be your very own personal saviour.

The Great delusion.

From that perspective (in the upside down world) your ignorance of spiritual things is seen as a plus. Not so in the truth.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

In your view of salvation it's not about walking as Jesus walked in His resurrection life...no, that is seen as suspect. Instead what you feel comfortable with is a feel good religion that has Jesus tickled pink that you would choose Him to be your very own personal saviour.

No. I can not walk as Jesus walked unless I am saved. That’s the gospel that we are dead in sin and must be made alive to do good works

The only way we can truly walk as Jesus walked us to be perfect. Hence by practice no one can

The Great delusion.

Yea the delusion that says we must be perfect to be saved

From that perspective (in the upside down world) you ignorance of spiritual things is seen as a plus. Not so in the truth.

lol. In satans world your correct. You’re right where he wants you. Self focused and not Christ focused

 

[marks]

you will have to learn to hear God's actual voice...and recognize the people God has chosen to speak to you.

That's just the thing. God has trained me to hear, and to know His voice. Maybe because I don't put myself on display some presume something different. How do I compare the words in these threads to His voice? Maybe it's like when someone who is used to sweet icy water is offered a glass of warm and dry dust?

I marvel, wondering, how can someone who truly hears His voice speak such things? How can someone who truthfully has the fear of the Lord speak as some do? Presume as some do? Malign as some do? Bitter and sweet from the same spring?

Your words are tested against Scripture. Your words reveal you.

But if you believe we should be receiving you as our teacher, and you remain antagonistic if we don't, know, I will continue to stand with the Spirit Who is in me, and the Word He has given to me. He has given us His teachers, but not lawless ones, who cannot control themselves.

We're told to test the spirits, because there IS a difference.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

No. I can not walk as Jesus walked unless I am saved. That’s the gospel that we are dead in sin and must be made alive to do good works

The only way we can truly walk as Jesus walked us to be perfect. Hence by practice no one can

That just happens to be in direct contradiction to the word. Of course you don't take the word that seriously as you go by your own limited understanding...and force that onto the bible. That's just arrogant.

But do you believe you can abide in Christ?

He that says he abides in him, ought himself also to walk, even as he walked. 1 John 2:6

You and some others here will be unable to read the verse I just posted above. Yes, it's there... To you it will be a blank space...just like when you read the bible that one time and couldn't read it then either.

Yea the delusion that says we must be perfect to be saved

Backwards. We are saved INTO Christ who is our perfection, and holiness etc...

lol. In satans world your correct. You’re right where he wants you. Self focused and not Christ focused

Backward. The devil's option is NOT the one that has intimacy with God...and is instead happy with a bible to get self-justifying verses from.

 

[Lizbeth]

a number so high a kingdom of men fifty thousand strong could not count it in a month .
MANY now beleive they DO hear from GOD , and they have no idea what is really going on at all .
I want you to cut copy and paste what i write next and store it somewhere so as WHEN IT COMETH to pass
YOU gonna know i was not warning in vain .
COPY THIS .
THE TIME will come and even now is
when no one is gonna really care at all what someone believes about GOD
what they believe at all .
THEY aint gonna see at all what has come upon them . THEY will be hollering love non stop
and no amount of false doctrine is gonna matter as they will believe
HEY WE ALL GONNA BE FINE AWAY so long as we were kind to one another and got along .
YOU MARK THEM WORDS .
I also have been warning about how this people is gonna wear out . And some already are too .
ITS BECOMING , screw it , lets just get along , doctrine dont really matter so much
so long as all the peoples of every tribe and every religoin just got along. , after all they DO beleive we serve the same
GOD anyway . The new sin will be what they consider hate .
and it wont matter what the GOD of that bible and hIS CHRIST had to say . SO LONG as
they believe they are loving their neighbor .
Leaven leavens , I WISH PEOPLE had understood that . When the smallest amount of leaven
is allowed to enter within and is not corrected , IT will in time TAKE THAT CHURCH OR PEOPLE DOWN
as more and more soon is allowed to remain . TILL NOW . TILL EVEN NOW
we just go with the flow when folks even PREACH TOTALLY CONTRARY TO JESUS CHRIST and HIS OWN GOSPEL .
OH , but they believe ITS MORE LOVING to just allow it and try to get along than to even CORRECT THAT anymore .
THIS LUMP IS ABOUT LEAVENED TO THE FULL my friend . MANY are not gonna make it .
WE should have stuck to the original gospel and all things JESUS had taught and later the apostels taught .

Hirelings leading so many of the churches. It's not about the truth for many.....it's about having large numbers in the pews and personal ambition...growing "their" ministry and career. Lord, have mercy and rescue your sheep from their mouths!.

 

[Lizbeth]

Why do you think something has to be personal in order to respond to it? I think the nerve is in your defense of what you should be forsaking.

You are so afraid of being infected by non-believers. This is a religious fear not a godly fear... .it reminds me of the religious ones who saw the stricken man lying on the road and carefully avoided him... only to have a hated Samaritan (read Muslim or Hindu in the modern context) actually obey God and treat the other as he would himself...without judgment. Continue to set yourself apart...and above others as you wish. But to confuse holiness and righteousness will cause you to miss both.

So what do you call this method that you are employing against me, when I even qualified what those scrips are saying and not saying.......because what you are doing is obviously dishonest and isn't of God. Did you receive training in this method somewhere or are you being guided by a wrong spirit?

You have every opportunity to clarify, qualify or expound on what you think those scrips are saying if you believe I am not understanding them properly. I can only conclude you are unable to as usual, and that is why you keep resorting to personal attacks. When people are all out of real ammunition they start throwing rocks.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That just happens to be in direct contradiction to the word.

Negative my friend. Quite the opposite

Of course you don't take the word that seriously

Actually yes I do. That why I reject almost everything you say, because everytime you speak. You usually speak a small amount of truth mixed with a lot of self righteous fluff. And call it gods word.

as you go by your own limited understanding...and force that onto the bible. That's just arrogant.

The is exactly what you do

But do you believe you can abide in Christ?

Oh I can, I have been born again, and also. This is not the same as walking like christ, Christ was perfect. Without sin.

If we think we have to to get saved, then we are relying on self. Not God.

He that says he abides in him, ought himself also to walk, even as he walked. 1 John 2:6

You and some others here will be unable to read the verse I just posted above. Yes, it's there... To you it will be a blank space...just like when you read the bible that one time and couldn't read it then either.

No, we read it

we just do not puff ourselves up crying to everyone how great we are at doing it. We do our best to walk this way. We just do not think for a second we do it perfectly. And we certainly do not do it to get ourselves saved.. that would be self righteous,, Not God righteous

Backwards. We are saved INTO Christ who is our perfection, and holiness etc..

Yes, He is our perfect. Not that we are perfect or will be, It is him in us..

Backward. The devil's option is NOT the one that has intimacy with God...and is instead happy with a bible to get self-justifying verses from.

The devils option is to speak as a child of light, and have joy when people point to self and nto God. Like you do.

 

[Lizbeth]

No need for that. Your infancy in the ways of God are such that they get in the way of any further growth

Of course you don't take the word that seriously as you go by your own limited understanding...

You and some others here will be unable to read the verse I just posted above. Yes, it's there... To you it will be a blank space

From that perspective (in the upside down world) your ignorance of spiritual things is seen as a plus.

Do you mean the depths??? what do you know of depth?

Do true men of God speak to the people of God this way? Is sarcastic, arrogant, demeaning and insulting speech of the HOLY Spirit? Is this what qualifies one to teach and feed members of the household of the Almighty?

 

[GTW27]

Do true men of God speak to the people of God this way? Is sarcastic, arrogant, demeaning and insulting speech of the HOLY Spirit? Is this what qualifies one to teach and feed members of the household of the Almighty?

Blessings in Christ Jesus Lizbeth! I thought to do the same thing you just did, but you did it better then I could have.

 

[Episkopos]

Do true men of God speak to the people of God this way? Is sarcastic, arrogant, demeaning and insulting speech of the HOLY Spirit? Is this what qualifies one to teach and feed members of the household of the Almighty?

Absolutely. Those are your observations...all one-sided of course. Some people have had their flesh molly-coddled for so long, they don't abide any correction or rebuke. If you think I'm being hard, just wait for judgment day...

Go back to the bible and read the things Jesus had to say to the hypocrites in His day....make a list. See if I'm even half as hard on these.