Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

[Robert Gwin]

But you believe no Bible exists. So you are contradicting yourself. Who gets to decide what Bible has errors and another one has correct things within it? By looking to see if there is one Bible that stands above the rest in doctrinal purity and goodness (i.e. in being wholesome) and it being trustworthy and reliable when we wait upon it by faith. I believe this is the King James Bible. I have provided many reasons why it is God's Word today.

The JW Bible is a joke and everyone knows it. They created the New World Translation after believing the KJB for a hundred years. Their translation was only created to fit their pet theologies that are extra biblical and they did not even do a good job at doing that. They had sloppy scholarship. One guy on the New World Translation translator team even lied that he knew Hebrew in a scottish court.

The original Bible does not exist, all we have are copies. Like I said, the Bible was authored by Jehovah penned by His witnesses, for His witnesses, believe it or not. Your adherence to the KJ version of the Bible is the largest reason for the difference in our understanding of the Bible.

 

[Robert Gwin]

You guys keep evading tough questions and or points that you don't want to deal with and you move on to other points as if we are hoping we are forgetful and or senile. Good luck with your evasion tactics.

To all readers here, I have created a thread that shows reasons why the JW religion is false.

Reasons why the Jehovah’s Witness religion is false (Despite my love for them as human beings)

No logical or sound rebuttals have actually been given to my claims or reasons that I have provided.

I fail to see a question here BH, rather a statement. If someone asks me a question, I answer it as historically shown in writing.

 

[Robert Gwin]

So if JW's are in a cult, like all other cults that seek to brainwash people, and who have caused abuse upon others, then they cannot be true and real Christians. I believe the JW religion is a cult because they exhibit those characteristics. It really is that simple. People need to educate themselves on what a cult is. Study the topic. Know the destructive nature of cults. By doing so, one will realize that reaching cult members (like the JW adherents) takes lots of prayer, lots of love, and the Word of God. For they are brainwashed and conditioned to follow their cult leaders over anything else.

Yes our brains are cleansed, washed clean in the blood of the lamb Rev 7:14. Jehovah educates His people well sir Isa 2:2,3. I am very happy that he does shield us from your world.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Do you know how to go back and deal with points that you are ignoring, sir?

Do you have a question BH?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Thank you Robert for your patience.

Love, Walter and Debbie

You are very welcome Walter and Debbie. Your conduct makes it a pleasure to interact with you.

 

[Robert Gwin]

In 1992, American religious scholar J. Gordon Melton placed the Jehovah's Witnesses denomination in a list of "established cults".

Deal with my previous points (from my previous posts to you), and I will be happy to indulge your new content and or information that you see as a challenge to me (When in reality it really is no challenge at all seeing the obvious silliness of the JW religion and its inconsistencies).

Yes sir, well established, and one of the oldest still in existence I would imagine. Jehovah took us under His wing a tad bit before 1500 BCE

 

[Robert Gwin]

You ask questions that attempts to get an unlearned bible believing Christian to be a member of your cult (that has lied, and continues to lie). That is what you are really doing. You should be ashamed of yourself for supporting a dishonest organization that has lied multiple times.

This video here should be watched by you and or others believers to show the questions you probably bring up to attempt to break the faith of a Bible believing Christian and so as for them to join your destructive abusive cult.

This Christian answers the seven common questions used by cults that deny the Trinity. It’s a must watch for any believer who cares for the truth of the Godhead in God’s Word.

I am not ashamed by any means sir. Keep in mind Jehovah forces no one to serve Him, we are His people by choice, and we gladly accept the assignment Jesus gave us, and in fact we truly find it enjoyable. Even if those like you refuse to listen to the message, others see what is being written. It has to do with soil according to Jesus, as to how people receive the message.

 

[Robert Gwin]

You have blinded by your cult to think that there are no other names and I just showed you that God has many names. Stop following your cult leaders in believing blindly what they say.

No sir you didn't, you are a sir, a man, perhaps a dad, friend, etc, but that is not your name, even Bible Highlighter is not your name, they are all just titles or qualities, savvy? The Bible reveals God's name sir, His only name in English is Jehovah. If you would like to go through what some of your "names" you posted, I will be more than happy to.

 

[Robert Gwin]

So the JW's followed a bible that was severely altered for a hundred years and so you cannot be trusted as being an authority from God because you followed a book that was flawed. Your credibility has gone out the window. You cannot pick and choose what parts of the Bible you want to believe in. The Bible does not give us the luxury of picking and choosing our own adventure (of what we want to believe in it vs. what we don’t want to believe in). You cannot cherry pick the Bible.

Perhaps you can post an example sir

 

[Robert Gwin]

The point is that you have been masterfully trained and brainwashed to not deal with people's point but to move on with something else quickly so as not to show flaws in your cult.

Proof?

Your doing it right now.
All of you (who are JW here) are doing so.
Deal with what we are talking about first with logical and sound rebuttals using the Bible, logic, and facts.

Don't jump to another topic.
Stick to one topic first.

What would you like to speak about sir?

 

[Robert Gwin]

So your recruiting method is a deception. You want them to trust their Bible (like the KJB) that is in your view flawed. Why don't you just speak upfront with that person and tell them that you believe their Bible (KJB) is flawed instead of misleading them to think their Bible is valid? This is why you are being dishonest and misleading. Be true to your ultimate intentions. Don't mislead people.

In other words, even your recruiting methods are not honest.
Look at yourself in the mirror. Look at what you are doing. It's not right.

I think if you honestly look at the evidence, you will see that we obey the assignment, what you call recruiting methods. In the last days in which you agreed we are living in, the apostasy ended and Jehovah's mountain was established, people came to His mountain to be educated in His ways and walk in His paths, and go and "recruit" others Isa 2:2,3. We carry the good news of the Kingdom, even to the doorstep Mat 28:19,20; Acts 20:20. We fully understand that only a few rightly disposed ones Acts 13:48 will accept the message Mat 7:14; but even though we are sheep sent among wolves Mat 10:16 we do this obediently because of the love we have for our God sir 1 Jn 5:3

You are a testament to our obedience BH, and I thank you for that sir.

 

[Robert Gwin]

The Bible says all liars will have their part in the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8). Believers must confess of sins to be forgiven of sin (1 John 1:9). This would be confessing of your sins to Jesus Christ (context: 1 John 2:1-2). For those who confess and forsake their sins shall have mercy (Proverbs 28:13). Forsake sin means to put that sin away out of your life.

One of your best posts BH. I would recommend you confess to Jehovah however as Jesus recommended. Be sure to ask Him in Jesus' name however. As long as it is in line with Scripture, what you ask the Father in Jesus' name, it will be given you. Jn 15:16 Certainly asking for forgiveness of sin is in line with Scripture.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Well you have lied twice to me so sorry. You own it.

Nope, feel free to post an example

 

[Robert Gwin]

Well if you put away watchtower material and read just the bible alone, how long before you are disfellowshipped.

In my church we read from Scripture alone, we don't need a watchtower or awake. we accept books from all sorts of authors that are followers of Jesus! But if people do not read them, they are not shunned or looked down on!

We exalt the bible as the final source for individuals and that it is a book for people and not an organization.

Who assigned the faithful slave sir, and what is his purpose? Mat 24:45-47

 

[Bible Highlighter]

So the JW's followed a bible that was severely altered for a hundred years and so you cannot be trusted as being an authority from God because you followed a book that was flawed. Your credibility has gone out the window. You cannot pick and choose what parts of the Bible you want to believe in. The Bible does not give us the luxury of picking and choosing our own adventure (of what we want to believe in it vs. what we don’t want to believe in). You cannot cherry pick the Bible.

Perhaps you can post an example sir

Here is the proof that shows that you JW guys used to believe the King James Bible was the best.

Here is the JW quote:

1927 "Doubtless there has never been a more masterful and perfect english publication than the Authorized Version of the Bible." [King James Verson] (Creation; 1927; p. 117).​

Now, you JW guys are saying that this is not the case. In fact, you have created your own English translation thinking it is better.
So you are not consistent with JW beliefs of the past. You guys just keep flip flopping between doctrines or beliefs.

One can check out more of these doctrinal changes by JW’s over the years here:

Doctrinal Flip Flops of Jehovah's Witnesses!

So what will the JW religion look like many years from now?
Will all their beliefs remain the same?
They seem to change their colors more than a chameleon.

 

[Webers_Home]

.
Continued From No.331

The Society construes passages like Gen 9:3-4, Lev 7:26-27, Lev 17:10-14,
and Acts 15:19-20 to imply that transfusing blood is all the same as using it
for food.

Rather than get into a semantic quarrel with the Society over its
interpretation of those passages; I suggest another tact. And our purpose is
not to win a debate; only to offer a second opinion. (a.k.a. misinformation)

The Jews' sabbath law is very narrow. In point of fact, the covenant that
Moses' people agreed upon with God imposes capital punishment for sabbath
violators. (Ex 31:14-15)

Now, that is very interesting because Jesus appears to have broken the
sabbath on a number of occasions, but when doing so based his actions
upon the principle that human life, safety, and welfare trump strict
observance of certain kinds of religious practices.

One of the best illustrations I've seen of a die-hard legalist was a cartoon
showing a man behind the wheel of his car stopped at a red light while huge
landslide boulders are within seconds of crushing to death him, his family,
and the family dog. While his wife and children shriek in mortal panic, the
legalist calmly points out that he can't move the car until the light turns
green.

Legalists typically refuse to accept the possibility of extenuating
circumstances, which Webster's defines as: to lessen, or to try to lessen, the
seriousness or extent of by making partial excuses; viz: mitigate.

Although it's illegal to run red lights, those boulders rumbling down the hill
to crush the man's family to death unless he moves the car, are an
acceptable excuse to go before the light turns green. In those kinds of
cases; human life, safety, and welfare trump strict conformity to the law.

Compare Ex 1:15-21 where Jewish midwives lied through their teeth in order
to save the lives of little Jewish boys. Did God punish the midwives for the
sin of dishonesty? No, on the contrary; He overlooked it and instead
rewarded the midwives' actions with families of their own. In point of fact,
their actions were adjudged as fearing the true God. (Ex 1:21)

Should someone reading this section chance to discuss blood transfusions
with a JW from Christ's sabbath perspective; I urge them to go about it with
the utmost in diplomacy, care, and civility because this is a hot-button issue.
Should your JW audience come to the realization that they've made a
monstrous mistake, they will be overwhelmed with guilt, disillusion, and
humiliation; not to mention fear of the organizational tsunami that'll come
down on them should they dare to question the Society's stance on blood
transfusions.
_

 

[WalterandDebbie]

You are very welcome Walter and Debbie. Your conduct makes it a pleasure to interact with you.

Love, Walter and Debbie

 

[Bible Highlighter]

.
Continued From No.331

The Society construes passages like Gen 9:3-4, Lev 7:26-27, Lev 17:10-14,
and Acts 15:19-20 to imply that transfusing blood is all the same as using it
for food.

Rather than get into a semantic quarrel with the Society over its
interpretation of those passages; I suggest another tact. And our purpose is
not to win a debate; only to offer a second opinion. (a.k.a. misinformation)

The Jews' sabbath law is very narrow. In point of fact, the covenant that
Moses' people agreed upon with God imposes capital punishment for sabbath
violators. (Ex 31:14-15)

Now, that is very interesting because Jesus appears to have broken the
sabbath on a number of occasions, but when doing so based his actions
upon the principle that human life, safety, and welfare trump strict
observance of certain kinds of religious practices.

One of the best illustrations I've seen of a die-hard legalist was a cartoon
showing a man behind the wheel of his car stopped at a red light while huge
landslide boulders are within seconds of crushing to death him, his family,
and the family dog. While his wife and children shriek in mortal panic, the
legalist calmly points out that he can't move the car until the light turns
green.

Legalists typically refuse to accept the possibility of extenuating
circumstances, which Webster's defines as: to lessen, or to try to lessen, the
seriousness or extent of by making partial excuses; viz: mitigate.

Although it's illegal to run red lights, those boulders rumbling down the hill
to crush the man's family to death unless he moves the car, are an
acceptable excuse to go before the light turns green. In those kinds of
cases; human life, safety, and welfare trump strict conformity to the law.

Compare Ex 1:15-21 where Jewish midwives lied through their teeth in order
to save the lives of little Jewish boys. Did God punish the midwives for the
sin of dishonesty? No, on the contrary; He overlooked it and instead
rewarded the midwives' actions with families of their own. In point of fact,
their actions were adjudged as fearing the true God. (Ex 1:21)

Should someone reading this section chance to discuss blood transfusions
with a JW from Christ's sabbath perspective; I urge them to go about it with
the utmost in diplomacy, care, and civility because this is a hot-button issue.
Should your JW audience come to the realization that they've made a
monstrous mistake, they will be overwhelmed with guilt, disillusion, and
humiliation; not to mention fear of the organizational tsunami that'll come
down on them should they dare to question the Society's stance on blood
transfusions.
_

They see blood transfusions as the same as eating. This is stupid because you cannot liquify a hamburger, fries, and a shake and inject into your blood stream without their being serious health problems. The stomach operates differently than the blood stream. So they are not talking about the same thing. Eating blood is different than a transfusion of blood into the blood stream to save a person’s life. Jesus brought forth the example of saving a neighbor’s animal out of a ditch on the Sabbath and that is not contrary to the Sabbath.

As for your claim that Hebrew midwives had lied to save life: There is no Scriptural support for that conclusion.

Is Lying Justified?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I am glad to hear that. I have heard Christians in the past say that our glorified bodies are both a combination of a spiritual body and a natural body (i.e. a hybrid body). I believe faithful Christians will be resurrected physically one day to enter the New Earth. This body will be after the likeness or DNA of Jesus Christ. Meaning, Jesus will be the Everlasting Father to all faithful believers because their DNA will be from Him in the resurrection. I did a study on this a long while back and need to find the verses again.

Well based on what I have read from Scripture, I believe we alrady have divine DNA! When the bible speaks of us being born -again and being made a new /Creature, that is present and I believe changes we cannot even fathom actually took place in us.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Nope, feel free to post an example

Already did. You either live in denial or are just a lazy reader. But as I have posted them- you can feel free to see your own lies I showed you.