AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD

[One 2 question]

what we need to do is start asking the RIGHT question and questions .
Speaking the right words .
TO DO is real easy . are you ready for my explanation sister .
TRUST IN GOD and HIS CHRIST , worry not what ye shall say , FOR GOD shall give thee words .

Are you refering to what Christ Jesus said....But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.

So we don't need to know what the bible says as the Spirit will reveal to us what to say.

The Muslim who comes to believe in Christ and as a result is thrown into prison indefinitely has never read the bible and has no access to the bible for the rest of their life, how will they be transformed, sanctified and grow into the likeness of Christ?

 

[amigo de christo]

What if the Spirit convinces you from scriptures that God changes His mind. Are you ok to accept that?

i already have heard this my friend . you are not alone , many others have come before you
to attempt the same thing .
All the while they are the ones twisting things .
For example they often try and prove GOD changes His mind , out of text ,
HE has said and it is written that if a nation repents of its evil , He will change his mind towards that nation
and will not THEN deliver the wrath upon it .
So later when folks see that it says he will change his mind , THEY try and then twist this
to make it seem like HE changes , OR HE omitted or changed his word . HE NEVER DID .
Its you all who do not read the entire bible and enjoy it for yourselves . This is why many are misled .
There are many places people will use a scrip , and yet they will use it , twist it to imply what it does not mean .
As i wrote earlier they often use the phrase if one does not hate his mother or his father
to also try and twist what JESUS meant or said . The real root of this
is there are certain things in said bible and they do not want to believe those things to be sin or error .
THUS its easy for them to sit under men who downplay the dire importance of scrips
and allows them to hear the voice within their head that will present to them a god who is okay
with what they do and what they love . All the while these poor souls
THINK they are hearing FROM GOD , but its not god , GOD DONT CONTRADICT HIS WORDS .
But many do not desire the GOD OF TRUTH , rather they desire the god who speakes
the smooth things their own flesh desires . PONDER ON THAT FOR A BIT .

 

[Marvelloustime]

i already have heard this my friend . you are not alone , many others have come before you
to attempt the same thing .
All the while they are the ones twisting things .
For example they often try and prove GOD changes His mind , out of text ,
HE has said and it is written that if a nation repents of its evil , He will change his mind towards that nation
and will not THEN deliver the wrath upon it .
So later when folks see that it says he will change his mind , THEY try and then twist this
to make it seem like HE changes , OR HE omitted or changed his word . HE NEVER DID .
Its you all who do not read the entire bible and enjoy it for yourselves . This is why many are misled .
There are many places people will use a scrip , and yet they will use it , twist it to imply what it does not mean .
As i wrote earlier they often use the phrase if one does not hate his mother or his father
to also try and twist what JESUS meant or said . The real root of this
is there are certain things in said bible and they do not want to believe those things to be sin or error .
THUS its easy for them to sit under men who downplay the dire importance of scrips
and allows them to hear the voice within their head that will present to them a god who is okay
with what they do and what they love . All the while these poor souls
THINK they are hearing FROM GOD , but its not god , GOD DONT CONTRADICT HIS WORDS .
But many do not desire the GOD OF TRUTH , rather they desire the god who speakes
the smooth things their own flesh desires . PONDER ON THAT FOR A BIT .

Brother @amigo de christo is spotted!

 

[Marvelloustime]

i already have heard this my friend . you are not alone , many others have come before you
to attempt the same thing .
All the while they are the ones twisting things .
For example they often try and prove GOD changes His mind , out of text ,
HE has said and it is written that if a nation repents of its evil , He will change his mind towards that nation
and will not THEN deliver the wrath upon it .
So later when folks see that it says he will change his mind , THEY try and then twist this
to make it seem like HE changes , OR HE omitted or changed his word . HE NEVER DID .
Its you all who do not read the entire bible and enjoy it for yourselves . This is why many are misled .
There are many places people will use a scrip , and yet they will use it , twist it to imply what it does not mean .
As i wrote earlier they often use the phrase if one does not hate his mother or his father
to also try and twist what JESUS meant or said . The real root of this
is there are certain things in said bible and they do not want to believe those things to be sin or error .
THUS its easy for them to sit under men who downplay the dire importance of scrips
and allows them to hear the voice within their head that will present to them a god who is okay
with what they do and what they love . All the while these poor souls
THINK they are hearing FROM GOD , but its not god , GOD DONT CONTRADICT HIS WORDS .
But many do not desire the GOD OF TRUTH , rather they desire the god who speakes
the smooth things their own flesh desires . PONDER ON THAT FOR A BIT .

 

[amigo de christo]

Are you refering to what Christ Jesus said....But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.

So we don't need to know what the bible says as the Spirit will reveal to us what to say.

The Muslim who comes to believe in Christ and as a result is thrown into prison indefinitely has never read the bible and has no access to the bible for the rest of their life, how will they be transformed, sanctified and grow into the likeness of Christ?

As i said above , you use this to try and downplay the dire importance of knowing them scrips .
I already know if a man was drawn to CHRIST , as was the THIEF on the cross , He was not condemned
just cause he did not know scrips . He was never going to be able to get back down off his cross .
BUT WE DO have access to the BIBLE. and yet you go around trying to take examples and use said examples
IN A WRONG LIGHT to try and then prove your point . A POINT i already knew my friend .
But you use these examples in a very very dark light , which is no light
you use these examples to justify WHY you do as you do and believe as you believe .
AS I said ealier , i have long dealt with men and women just like you and your buddy karl .
AND their voice I WILL NOT HEED . Now get in the bible and get busy learning for you
and let the TRUTH untwist and make clear what man and your own desires have made cloudy to you .

 

[Ritajanice]

Hey @amigo de christo ...Dear Brother...remember what you advised me?

I advise you to do the same my friend.

Being on a different level of understanding, then arguing the toss over it, is not fruitful and certainly not edifying for the forum.

Walk away my friend and leave them to God, the same applies to us....if we are in error, then the Spirit will show us.

 

[amigo de christo]

Hey @amigo de christo ...Dear Brother...remember what you advised me?

I advise you to do the same my friend.

Being on a different level of understanding, then arguing the toss over it, is not fruitful and certainly not edifying for the forum.

I was led to quickly give answer to this other man . Now its on him to decide .
I am off again my dear sister to another thread . I was just trying to show him how he uses
examples in a bad light to try and justify his own beliefs . But thanks for the reminder sister .
I am off again to other threads .

 

[Marvelloustime]

As i said above , you use this to try and downplay the dire importance of knowing them scrips .
I already know if a man was drawn to CHRIST , as was the THIEF on the cross , He was not condemned
just cause he did not know scrips . He was never going to be able to get back down off his cross .
BUT WE DO have access to the BIBLE. and yet you go around trying to take examples and use said examples
IN A WRONG LIGHT to try and then prove your point . A POINT i already knew my friend .
But you use these examples in a very very dark light , which is no light
you use these examples to justify WHY you do as you do and believe as you believe .
AS I said ealier , i have long dealt with men and women just like you and your buddy karl .
AND their voice I WILL NOT HEED . Now get in the bible and get busy learning for you
and let the TRUTH untwist and make clear what man and your own desires have made cloudy to you .

 

[Windmill Charge]

The individual was commanded by God through Moses not to kill (murder, cut to pieces).

The individual was commanded by God through Joshua to kill (murder, cut to pieces).

The individual was commanded by God through Moses not to steal.

The individual was commanded by God through Joshua not to steal and an individual stole. An individual named Achan and was killed.

The individual was permitted by God through Joshua to steal anything that belonged to each individual in Ai.
Josh 8:2 You shall do to Ai and its king as you did to Jericho and its king, except that you may carry off their plunder and livestock for yourselves.

The collective is made up of individuals. My family is made up of individuals. The children of Israel are made up of individuals. The church is made up of individuals individuals whose names are written in the book of life as you have probably read.

Sorry I missed your reply.

You are applying a modern western understanding of society. In non western societies it is the collective family, tribal or national unit that matters.
The ten commandments are part of the Instructions to Israel as both a society and to individual's,
While commands issued to Joshua were to a nation.

This is not complicated, we do not have any commands telling us to go out and kill etc, but we do have the individual command to obey the 10 commandments.

Surely in your investigation of this issue the spirit you consult would have explained this?

 

[Karl Peters]

I do understand why people look to the Scriptures, and the Lord did have people write them for a reason. A so the Scriptures are good for curtain things, so they should be read and studied. We even find a list of the things the Scriptures are good for:

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

Yet people read the list of things the Scriptures are good for and fail to realize the we taught by God, if indeed we believe in Him. So it is Him who teaches us and even the Scriptures. So your reading them and leaning on your own understanding is not Him teaching you. If He is teaching you, you hear His voice and the words that come from Him, and so the explanation and teachings He your Teacher gives you about the Scriptures!!

For example He told me:

WHAT TEACHER DOESN’T PUT A BOOK IN FRONT OF HIS STUDENTS TODAY; YET NOT JUST A BOOK BUT OVERHEAD TRANSPARENCIES, VISUALS, AND OTHER MATERIAL? FOR I TELL YOU TRULY, IF THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME THEY ARE NOT MY PUPIL, THEY ARE NOT MY STUDENT; I TELL YOU TRULY, THEY ARE NOT MY DISCIPLE UNLESS THEY ARE HEARING FROM ME. SO DON’T TELL THEM TO READ THE BOOK, THEM TO TAKE THE CLASS!”

Those are the words I specifically heard from Him, so if they are not listening to Him the are not being taught of God!! They are not His pupils, not His students, nor His disciples. They can have the Bible as His textbook, but they don't understand it, because it is also written:

Prov 21:6 For the LORD gives wisdom; From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

So we who know Him personally don't get "DUG in that bible", we learn from the Teachers, whose name is called the Word of God because He has the words of God for us personally!

So where it is written "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness", that is supposed to mean, the Jesus Christ uses the Scriptures to teach you, to reprove you, to correct you, and to train you up in righteousness - it does not mean that you use them to teach yourself, reprove yourself, correct yourself, and lean on your own understanding of the Scriptures for righteousness! And that is what's happening when a person writes ""DUG in that bible"! That is what is happening when a person wants to go to the "written word of God" for be taught, reproved, corrected, and trained. The person who actually believes in Jesus Christ goes to Jesus Christ to be taught of God, reproved by God, corrected by God, and be trained up by God!

He will probably use the Scriptures when teaching you, but even teachers don't just use the textbook when teaching you. He could give you a "OVERHEAD TRANSPARENCIES", like say dreams, visions, and other such visuals. And He can also use other material, like say the whole earth, or even the whole cosmos because He made them for a reason also. He put together His classroom, like any teacher might, and that to give you an environment that He could use to teach you personally! But the non-believer does not understand that because they don't understand that the Techer is the Great I AM. And that because they don't listen to Him.

So when they don't listen to Him they start calling the orderly lines of text that they read a little here and there, 'The Word, because they don't listen to Him as the Word of God. They are not being taught of God!!! They are non-believers or perhaps someone being blown around by the winds, spirits, of this world.

Yet the Lord wants to help them still, so He sends people to them to preach Him as the Word of God, meaning we tell them that they need to listen to Him. Yet they are a stubborn people, just like it is written. So He sends, and sends, and sends, to give them every reason to hear the message that the need to listen to Him. But will they listen to the message?

Probably not - maybe next time?

 

[One 2 question]

Sorry I missed your reply.

You are applying a modern western understanding of society. In non western societies it is the collective family, tribal or national unit that matters.
The ten commandments are part of the Instructions to Israel as both a society and to individual's,
While commands issued to Joshua were to a nation.

This is not complicated, we do not have any commands telling us to go out and kill etc, but we do have the individual command to obey the 10 commandments.

Surely in your investigation of this issue the spirit you consult would have explained this?

What the Spirit taught me concerning these conflicting commands was that God's commands are dependant on a given situation.

A police officer is taught early on in their training to uphold the law, eg. Do not speed when driving, do not kill.
But later in their training they are told to speed. To chase an offender.
Also they are to kill. If their own life or the life of others are at risk.

So we do not kill, except if God tells us to.

Caleb as an individual member of the Children of Israel was instructed through Moses, do not kill.
Caleb as an individual member of the Children of Israel was instructed through Joshus, kill.

Therefore what the voice of God commanded trumped what He wrote previously.

God has never stopped speaking and only a very little has been written down.

Let's keep listening to what He is speaking to us beyond what has been written down, 4000 years ago, 400 years ago or 1 year ago. There is so much to be revealed to us that may supersede what He has revealed to others in the past or present, for that matter.

We have a personal relationship with our God and His will for us is tailored to the individual member of the corporate universal church.

 

[Karl Peters]

i already have heard this my friend . you are not alone , many others have come before you
to attempt the same thing .
All the while they are the ones twisting things .
For example they often try and prove GOD changes His mind , out of text ,
HE has said and it is written that if a nation repents of its evil , He will change his mind towards that nation
and will not THEN deliver the wrath upon it .
So later when folks see that it says he will change his mind , THEY try and then twist this
to make it seem like HE changes , OR HE omitted or changed his word . HE NEVER DID .
Its you all who do not read the entire bible and enjoy it for yourselves . This is why many are misled .
There are many places people will use a scrip , and yet they will use it , twist it to imply what it does not mean .
As i wrote earlier they often use the phrase if one does not hate his mother or his father
to also try and twist what JESUS meant or said . The real root of this
is there are certain things in said bible and they do not want to believe those things to be sin or error .
THUS its easy for them to sit under men who downplay the dire importance of scrips
and allows them to hear the voice within their head that will present to them a god who is okay
with what they do and what they love . All the while these poor souls
THINK they are hearing FROM GOD , but its not god , GOD DONT CONTRADICT HIS WORDS .
But many do not desire the GOD OF TRUTH , rather they desire the god who speakes
the smooth things their own flesh desires . PONDER ON THAT FOR A BIT .

People who just don't actually know the Lord personally ... don't know Him!!

They don't understand that He is a loving person, whose name is called the Word of God because He has the words of God!!

They think the Bible is the Word of God because they don't listen to Him.

Might God change His mind for a friend of His?

Moses thought so, David thought so, and other too. Now the Lord does not lie, but that does not mean that He won't change His mind for a friend of His. Yet the unbeliever, who does not know the Lord personally, and who says in their heart that the Lord is either dead or in a far off place called heaven, so that they don't listen to Him and so they call the Scriptures in Greek, the word of the lord, instead of Him, just doesn't understand who they are talking about!!!

Exo 32:110 - 12“Now then let Me alone, that My anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them; and I will make of you a great nation.”
Then Moses entreated the LORD his God, and said, “O LORD, why does Your anger burn against Your people whom You have brought out from the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand?
“Why should the Egyptians speak, saying, ‘With evil intent He brought them out to kill them in the mountains and to destroy them from the face of the earth'? Turn from Your burning anger and change Your mind about doing harm to Your people.

Did the Lord change His mind about, because Moses talked to the Lord and knew Him as a friend??

YEAH - He sure DID. Did the Lord lie? NO He did not lie - because even in what He said there was a provision that Moses leave the Lord alone, but Moses didn't. Moses was friend of the Lord and also cared about that rebellious people, so interceded on their behalf and the Lord changed His mind.

So if His people who are called by His name listen to His voice, instead of just lean on their own foolish understanding, so that they actually get to know Him, they too would understand that for His friends you listen to Him and try to do what He ask, He will listen to them and try to do what they ask. Maybe He can't or will not, but He will consider your requests if you listen to Him and consider His request. But reading the Bible, even being 'dug into the Bible', as someone likes to say, is not knowing Him personally. So concerning him, he is correct. The Lord will not change His mind concerning Him. Faith comes by hearing Him, and not by reading about Him. And He saves people because they have faith in Him = which means listening to Him personally - even so you know Him as the Word of God!

Did you not read:

Jer 26:13 “Now therefore amend your ways and your deeds and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will change His mind about the misfortune which He has pronounced against you.

So what is it going to be people? Are you going to start listening to Him so that you obey the voice of the Lord our God - or are you going to continue in your rebellion and not listen to Him Today? He has a promise for those people and He has sworn to Himself concerning the promise!

Heb 3:7-11 Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says,
“TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE,
DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS AS WHEN THEY PROVOKED ME,
AS IN THE DAY OF TRIAL IN THE WILDERNESS,
WHERE YOUR FATHERS TRIED Me BY TESTING Me,
AND SAW MY WORKS FOR FORTY YEARS.
“THEREFORE I WAS ANGRY WITH THIS GENERATION,
AND SAID, ‘THEY ALWAYS GO ASTRAY IN THEIR HEART,
AND THEY DID NOT KNOW MY WAYS’;
AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH,
‘THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.’”

And don't think Moses is going to get you out of this one. Indeed it will be Moses, who having told you that the word of God was near you, in your mouth and heart, who will be the one who judges you for not paying attention to what he wrote!!!!

Jn 5:39 - 47 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life....
...“Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; the one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have set your hope.
“For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. “But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

Yeah - go ahead and

stay well DUG in that bible

But that will not save you. You have to know Him!!! And that is done by listening to Him by Faith! Spend time walking with Him, listening to Him, doing what He asks, and He will spend time walking with you, listening to you, and perhaps doing what you ask, even if it mean changing His mind about something. Maybe something important, like sending you to hell or bring you into His Kingdom.

Mat 7:22 - 24 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’
“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
“Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.

Notice how it reads, "hears these words of Mine" and not 'read these words of Mine'???

The difference is massively important, because faith comes by hearing His words, like Moses did, and not reading what Moses heard!!!
Reading what the Lord asked Moses to write does not get you into a personal relationship with Him. So the Word of the God we preach is found near you always, in you mouth and heart, and not in the Sacred Writings!! Still read the Sacred Writings and because they are good for reproof, correction, and for Him your Teacher to teach you from. But it is not about your understanding of them, but His understanding for them - so you actually have to listen to Him. Pretending obedience to Him, but not listening to Him so that you call the writing instead of your Lord "The Word of God" will not do!!

He once told me:

WE DON’T HAVE UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE WE DON’T READ THE BIBLE WITH UNDERSTANDING, BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING…. UNDERSTAND???

and

THE SCRIPTURES ARE RIGHT, BUT THEY ARE NOT RIGHTEOUS. THEY HAVE NO ABILITY TO ACT. THEY ARE NOT ALIVE, BUT THE WORD OF GOD IS ALIVE AND ACTIVE.

and

WHEN WE TALK TO GOD, GOD TALKS TO US……. WHEN WE LISTEN TO GOD, GOD LISTENS TO US!

So what understanding do you have if you don't listen to Him?

 

[Karl Peters]

God has never stopped speaking and only a very little has been written down.

YES, YES, YES, YES, YES!!!!!!!

The above should be obvious to people!! The only reason that it is not is that they don't want to listen to Him, and that is nothing less than rebellion against God.

How can people read the Bible and not understand what 'One 2 question' wrote?

Did not Isaiah write:

Is 1:2,3 Listen, O heavens, and hear, O earth;
For the LORD speaks,
“Sons I have reared and brought up,
But they have revolted against Me.
“An ox knows its owner,
And a donkey its master’s manger,
But Israel does not know,
My people do not understand.”

and

Is 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the LORD,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They will be like wool.

and

Is 30:21 Your ears will hear a word behind you, “This is the way, walk in it,” whenever you turn to the right or to the left.

So the Bible clearly tells people that the Lord speaks, that we need to reason with Him, and that He will even talk to us whenever we turn to the right or to the left, but they think it is as

amigo de christo said:
stay well DUG in that bible

that will save them? The Lord our God Jesus Christ, is a person, even the Son of the Most High God, and the Word of God who speaks to us via His Holy Spirit of God. So when you get to know the Word of God, who speaks and reasons with you, you get to know a Person, even the Person of God!! He loves you, so He needs to be listened to, and He has a lot more to say to us than 1500 pages can contain!!

He once told me:

I CAN'T BE CONTAINED IN A BOX; NOT EVEN A BIBLE BOX!

Of them it is written:

Is 30:9 - 11 For this is a rebellious people, false sons,
Sons who refuse to listen
To the instruction of the LORD;
Who say to the seers, “You must not see visions”;
And to the prophets, “You must not prophesy to us what is right,
Speak to us pleasant words,
Prophesy illusions.
“Get out of the way, turn aside from the path,
Let us hear no more about the Holy One of Israel.”

How can a person help them when they refuse to listen to the Lord?

 

[One 2 question]

Sounds like an offshoot of mormonism , IF ya ask me . but i am not saying you are one .
WHEN the denominations get melded as one , YOU can bet their gonna be some off dead wrong doctrines in it .
In the next life dont expect GOD to make YOU A GOD of any planet .
IN THE NEXT LIFE we gonna simply be SERVING FOREVER THE ONE TRUE GOD . fantasy kills
but truth giveth life .

This hope of ruling with Christ is my hope set before me. It brings instant joy whenever I consider Christ's future return when He establishes His kingdom on this planet. Knowing that those He has redeemed from every tongue, tribe, people and nation will be a part of His global administration. Jesus being the King of us kings.

Then to know that we who have served in His global government over every tongue, tribe, people and nation for 1000 years will serve in the Father's following never ending kingdom.

Now that's something to be excited about don't you think.

When not only the earth will be restored but ALL of creation which God Had made. In the beginning God created the HEAVENS and earth.

Paul said that the whole creation is crying out to be restored.

Rom 8:18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.
23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.

What a fantastic hope we who are in Christ have when we consider our future.

 

[Windmill Charge]

What the Spirit taught me concerning these conflicting commands was that God's commands are dependant on a given situation

Interesting you have merely confirmed what theology has always taught.

Re inventing the wheel is what comes to mind.

 

[Karl Peters]

Interesting you have merely confirmed what theology has always taught.

Re inventing the wheel is what comes to mind.

I don't know that you could be in father from the truth with that statement - but I doubt you understand that.

Our theology is our understanding of God!

A way too many people lean on their understanding of God - which is to say they lean in theology (their understanding of God0

Now there is corporate theology, which we see in different religions, denominations, sects, and churches. And there is our own personal understanding of God (theology)

Because we have our own brains, our on thinking, we all have our own "theology" - our own understanding of God. Because we tend to be part of some corporation, religion, denomination, sect, are church, the corporate theology tends to influences and match up in many ways, our own understanding of God (theology).

But that is NOT what One to Question was writing about!!!

He is talking about actually hearing from God (the Lord our God Jesus Christ via His Holy Spirit of God) directly! So One to Question is not talking about his theology, your theology, or your churches theology!! He is actually talking about hearing what God says about Himself and other topics!!! Which is to say that One to Question is talking about hearing from God and not leaning on our own understanding (Theology)!!

It is like in these verses:

Prov 3: 5-7 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.
Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the LORD and turn away from evil.

Now we are all going to have our "theology', because we have a mind of our own which we have to process the information we get for all sources, even from God, with. Yet what 'One to Question' is saying is that he hears from the Lord and His thinking, as opposed to just leaning on 'his theology (the understanding that he already has of God).

So why did Windmill Charge not understand what 'One to Question' was saying? It was clear to me what 'One to Question' - after all he wrote:

What the Spirit taught me concerning these conflicting commands was that God's commands are dependant on a given situation.

So clearly he was saying that the Spirit was teaching him personally and giving him commands, and they were dependent on his given situations at the time. So clearly, if he is to be trusted in his account, was claiming that he was hearing from the Lord our God via His Holy Spirit and that the Spirit was giving him both teachings and commandment which varied depending on the situation. So his theology (his understanding of God) was not involved, but his spiritual ears were involved. The understanding came from the teachings and commands of God personally, according to his testimony.

So Windmill Charge statement miss characterized what One 2 question was writing by the proverbial 'country mile'.

But again, we should ask why she missed characterized what 'One 2 question' was saying?

I would suggest it is because she herself is not listening to the Lord our God, via His Holy Spirit, so she wind up leaning on her own understanding of God (theology) instead of actually being taught of God and being obedient to God.

If so those same verses:

Prov 3: 5-7 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.
Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the LORD and turn away from evil.

Are applicable to her! But not to ' One 2 question', at least according to his testimony.

Of course, the Bible was not just written to her, but to all of us. We all tend to go back to leaning on our own understanding of God (our theology) instead of actually seeking to hear what He has to say to us by faith! Therefore we should read the Scriptures, because they are good for: teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

Yet if one person read them then started applying them to his own life; that is the wise person. And if the other person claims to be an expert of on the Scriptures but does not apply them to their own life, so that they seek the voice of the Lord our God Jesus Christ and his teachings and commands, then they are not the wise person. They are only being "wise in their own eyes."

The fact is that the Lord is always going to know who He talks back and forth with and who doesn't talk to Him. And if you are actually talking back and forth with Him, will you not also know deep inside? Will you not be testifying about talking back and forth with Him about the different circumstances in your own life? And if that is the case, will not another person who also talks back and forth with the Lord see what you are saying and realize the similarities between what your writing and his relationship with the Lord also?

It is not that hard to understand. If you know the Lord personally, you want others to know the Lord personally. So at some point you actually wind up saying the He talks to you, gives you teachings, and commandments, personally, because that is what's happening - and not only that but you recognized the value knowing Him has in your life - and if you care at all about others, you want that for them too.

Regardless, you are still going to run across those pretending obedience to Him pretending they know about God (and they will quote you some of their theology (their understanding of God) as opposed to making it about actually knowing Him, like we are told to in the Scriptures!!

In that case you can write something short like:

"the Spirit taught me" - like One 2 question wrote, or you can spell it out and try to be more explicit, yet the person leaning on their theology (understanding of God) instead of their relationship with God is still going to lean on their own understanding instead of trusting in the Lord! And they said they read the Bible!

Prov 3: 5-7 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.
Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the LORD and turn away from evil.

 

[Karl Peters]

2 Sam 22:45 “Foreigners pretend obedience to me;
As soon as they hear, they obey me.

Ps 81:15 “Those who hate the LORD would pretend obedience to Him,
And their time of punishment would be forever.

Ps 81:8 “Hear, O My people, and I will admonish you;
O Israel, if you would listen to Me!

Ps 81:13 “Oh that My people would listen to Me,
That Israel would walk in My ways!

I can choose hundreds of Bible verse and more which tell us we need to listen to our Lord Jesus Christ - and still it seems like most Christians are making reading the Bible their hearing from Him. The Bible becomes the Word of God to them, instead of Him personally talking to them. They write something like 'stay dug into the Bible' instead of actually seeking Him and listening to Him. They say if you hear anything it must be a demon, when even the Bible tells them there is more with them than against them. They think their reading "The Word of God" they listen to Him whose name is called "The Word of God".

Well people, He will almost certainly tell you to read the Bible at times, but He is not the Bible, He is a person you must get to know and hear from!!!

He will teach you, instruct you, talk to you, encourage you, keep you going when you need help, advise you, enjoy talking to you, love you, care for you, and even do miracles around you, but He is not the Bible. He is the One the Bible tells you about!!

I can give you testimonies, even incredible testimonies you probably won't believe, like when He took me out of my body so I was seeing the top of my head and through the roof of my car into the sky, and asked me "Karl, do you think I can take you anywhere I want?" But the best testimonies are like when He tells me, "Karl, I love you", which I hear from Him often, very often. But will you believe He is there to be heard from and seek Him?

I can give you teachings, even short saying that He told me like: "Karl, they call Me Wonderful Counselor, but I am not a wonderful counselor to those who don't listen to Me.", but will you even believe enough in Him to consider that He will talk to you like that?

So it is that people posting here, even Christians on this Christian Forum, want to tell me about their Theology (their understanding of the Lord our God Jesus Christ) instead of about their relationship with Him the person, Jesus Christ the Son of God who is the Word of God because He has the words of God for you personally!

I tell you that He is a person!!! You can, in a relatively short period of time, because He friend and He will be a friend to you too. You can just open up the door to Him, because He is just standing there are the door knocking with His voice, and the two of you can eat together, meaning you can discuss things with Him. You can ask Him to help you make decisions at the store, at work, and even when going to yard sales if you want. He will talk to you about your kid's soccer games, and more. And He will teach you, and help you, and teach you some more.

He is a person and not a book!! He is alive and He is active, and he wants to help you, and that does not mean that any book or writings, no mater how SACRED they are, are alive and active. We are not talking fantasy but reality. God is Spirit, but He is there for you if you are willing to listen to Him, get to know Him, and consider what He has to say to you!

Is 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD,
You rulers of Sodom;
Give ear to the instruction of our God,
You people of Gomorrah.

And that was written to the His people - and everyone on heaven and earth also"

Is s:2 Listen, O heavens, and hear, O earth;
For the LORD speaks,
“Sons I have reared and brought up,
But they have revolted against Me.

But do you who read the Bible even reason back and forth with Him?

Is 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the LORD,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;...

But still they say, "Theology", and "The Bible is the Word of God", because they don't reason with Him because they don't listen to Him!!

And if He tells someone like me to go and ask people to listen to Him, will that change? It is up to you, but it is also written:

Ezek 3:7 yet the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, since they are not willing to listen to Me. Surely the whole house of Israel is stubborn and obstinate.

And He also told me that Himself, but still He wants to help you, talk to you, get to know you personally, and if anyone opens up to Him He will come into them, and you and Him the person Jesus Christ will talk to you via His Holy Spirit speaking to your spirit! So stop pretending!!

He said and it was recorded:

Rev 3:20 ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

That is really really GOOD NEWS, but can you believe it? Can you believe in Him?

Can you stop pretending and start getting to know Him personally??

 

[One 2 question]

I can choose hundreds of Bible verse and more which tell us we need to listen to our Lord Jesus Christ - and still it seems like most Christians are making reading the Bible their hearing from Him. The Bible becomes the Word of God to them, instead of Him personally talking to them. They write something like 'stay dug into the Bible' instead of actually seeking Him and listening to Him. They say if you hear anything it must be a demon, when even the Bible tells them there is more with them than against them. They think their reading "The Word of God" they listen to Him whose name is called "The Word of God".

Yes, otherwise John 1 would be ....

Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the bible, and the bible was with God, and the bible was God.

Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Jhn 1:3 All things were made by the bible; and without the bible was not any thing made that was made.

Jhn 1:4 In the bible was life; and the life was the light of men.

Jhn 1:10 the bible was in the world, and the world was made by the bible, and the world knew the bible not.

Jhn 1:11 bible came unto the bibles own, and the bibles own received the bible not.

Jhn 1:12 But as many as received the bible, to them gave the bible power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on the bibles name:

Jhn 1:14 And the bible was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld the bibles glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jhn 1:15 John bare witness of the bible, and cried, saying, This was the bible of whom I spake, the bible that cometh after me is preferred before me: for the bible was before me.

Jhn 1:16 And of the bibles fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jhn 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by the bible.

Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; only the bible, which is in the bosom of the Father, the bible hath declared him.

 

[Windmill Charge]

I don't know that you could be in father from the truth with that statement

I stated at some point in reply to 12 q, that God gave commands to people and commands to communities.
In the post I replied to 12q said exactly the same thing.

Apparently learning about scripture is in your view a waste of time and pointless.

 

[One 2 question]

I stated at some point in reply to 12 q, that God gave commands to people and commands to communities.
In the post I replied to 12q said exactly the same thing.

Apparently learning about scripture is in your view a waste of time and pointless.

What I have learnt from my God is to learn from Him through His Spirit by whatever means He chooses. If the Spirit uses a human to speak through then I'm perfectly fine with that. If He chooses to communicate truth through a vision, an animal, a movie, a book then that's great. I don't really place too much importance on the means but the Person from Whom the truth originates.

But that's me. I like to keep things simple.