AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD

[Karl Peters]

So is this.

1 Corinthians 14:33 KJV For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

God never wants us to be confused, about who or whose we are or where we are going. He is not the one who brings confusion into our lives but peace (1 Corinthians 14:33).


God allows confusion ...he allows the enemy to confuse us.....that’s when we walk in trust and faith.... just as his word says above....God is not the author of confusion.

I never said that...that came from the commentary I posted.


It’s in his word.

Bible Gateway 1 John 4 :: NIV. Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God.



Also by checking what they preach with the written word.

Your understanding of the word is different to mine.....

According to the Bible there is a specific way to test a spirit to see if it is a spirit of false prophecy - do you use it and how did it work out when you did?

1 Jn 4:1-3 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world

That is the test written in the Bible to use to test the spirits!! It is for testing spirits!! But the thing about it is that to test spirits you must first be able to hear spirits! If you heard with your spiritual ears, then you would seek Jesus Christ and find Him, or did you not read about how if you ask for a fish He will not give you a snake? So if you ask for Jesus Christ, whose early symbol among Christians was a fish, He is not going to give you that snake in the garden, is He? No He is not!!

But you might also find that an evil spirit will sometimes try and talk to you later, and you will suddenly pick a another spiritual voice. So you are to test it, but using the very specific test written in the verse above. Do you do that?

Note that it does not say to go to your Bible and lean on your own understanding!

So are you even actually following the instructions in the Bible?
And did not the Lord go over this with you personally? He did with me.

And so when I test the spirits - and I will tell you though on this forum I have asked many posting here this same question by have yet to ever get an answer from them. It is as if they say Bible, Bible, Bible, but don't actually even do what is written in the Bible. Yet I can tell you, because I have used that test many many times!

About nine times out of ten I find out that it is the Holy Spirit speaking to me, even though I wondered about what was said. I turns out that His thoughts are not my thoughts, just like written, so my ability to understand that it is the Lord when I first hear is not what most seem to think it is. For example, if you were Abraham and God told you to take your kid up the mountain and sacrifice him, it would not seem right to you, would it. But Abraham, without the Bible, still knew the Lord well enough to know it was Him. Now He has never asked me to kill someone, or has He? He has had be take thoughts captive to Him, and I have heard screaming!

So back to the 10% of the time when it was not the Holy Spirit. Often the voice disappears instantly and with often there comes a feeling like the air being cleared. Sometimes I have heard the spirit tell literally tell me, "I can't tell you that." Then you have some choices, like taking that thought captive to Jesus Christ, but you might hear screaming if you do. I have had spirit curse at Jesus Christ when I have used the test. I have also had some tell me Jesus came in the flesh, but I find out they were trying to trick me, because many people have been name Jesus, so make sure you are asking about Jesus the Christ. I have had them try and distract me by changing the subject or answering like some politicians answer a question. So they might say something like, 'Well, I have heard there is something in the Bible about Jesus and there are those who say He was around", but they are not confessing Jesus Christ. They might talk about a testimony of others, but do not have that testimony in them.

But while that is following and applying the test in the Bible, none of it comes from having your nose in the Bible!! And there is another test that I know which Christian who actually hear from our Lord Jesus Christ use. That comes from:

1 Cor 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

It seems to work pretty good too. Evil spirits are under the leadership of Satan. He is there Lord. And He is not likely to let any of them start confessing Jesus Christ is their Lord, because He does not know their hearts, like God. So confessing Jesus Christ is Lord, or confessing Satan [their boss] got defeated at the cross is not the type of thing he will put up with.

So, like other Christian I know who do actually hear with their spiritual ears, I sometime also use that test and asked for a confession that Jesus Christ is their Lord. The Holy Spirit, or angels that serve the Lord, quickly and clearly confess Jesus Christ as their Lord, Even confessing that gives the joy!

Now it seems to me, and I can see how is could not be unless a person was new to hearing with their spiritual ears, a person who practiced hearing the Lord on those days called 'Today', wouldn't know this themselves. How could they not?

When you get to know and talk to HIm everyday called Today, and a number of time each day, because He is always with you, and do that for some 20 plus years, I tell you that you do not worry about having your "nose in a Bible". That doesn't mean He still does use the Bible and refer to the Bible at times, but your life is made up of sooooo very much more that just the words of the Bible, isn't it. You will find that He talks to you about what to buy, what clothes to wear are times, and did you not ever read this:

Is 30: 20, 21 Although the Lord has given you bread of privation and water of oppression, He, your Teacher will no longer hide Himself, but your eyes will behold your Teacher.
Your ears will hear a word behind you, “This is the way, walk in it,” whenever you turn to the right or to the left.

He has often taken me on yard sales to teach me things, and in so doing He was saying turn right at the light, now go up to that sign ahead and turn left,,,, and when we got to the sale He would talk to me about how the sale was laid out, did they have kids clothes, and go over the prices we might want to pay or what I might expect to find. He goes by the name Wisdom, and that because the Word of God gives you plenty of wisdom while He teaches you. And are you being taught of God is you are not hearing Him tell you " “This is the way, walk in it,” whenever you turn to the right or to the left." like Isaiah explained??

We don't learn from the Bible we learn from out Teacher, just like is written in the Bible!!

 

[Windmill Charge]

Again, God said not to kill in scripture. 40 years later God said to kill. You can read that in scriptures also.

I'm interested to know what your spirit says is the meaning to the verses you allude to?

Because in the 10 commandments it says do not kill exodus 20:13 “You shall not murder.
But Joshua 1:After the death of the Lord's servant Moses, the Lord spoke to Moses' helper, Joshua son of Nun. 2 He said, “My servant Moses is dead. Get ready now, you and all the people of Israel, and cross the Jordan River into the land that I am giving them. 3 As I told Moses, I have given you and all my people the entire land that you will be marching over. 4 Your borders will reach from the desert in the south to the Lebanon Mountains in the north; from the great Euphrates River in the east, through the Hittite country, to the Mediterranean Sea in the west. 5 Joshua, no one will be able to defeat you as long as you live. I will be with you as I was with Moses. I will always be with you; I will never abandon you. 6 Be determined and confident, for you will be the leader of these people as they occupy this land which I promised their ancestors.

God is commanding the Israelites to conquer the land, that is to kill those who opposed them.

As your spirit, if it is from God will confirm the different emphasis between a command to individuals and a command to the whole nation.

 

[Karl Peters]

From the bible to your opinions.

Not a good place to be, spiritually.

NO - it is called from the Bible to the Lord Jesus Christ - or have you not read:

2 Tim 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

The Scriptures were supposed to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus!!! But it did say that they would, but only that they are able to! So you still have not follow that wisdom, and are still under the Scriptures instead of faith in Jesus Christ, because you have not come to believe in Him.

Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

The Bible explains it, but you don't even believe the Bible, so you don't have faith the Jesus Christ is there for you.

Jn 5:46,47,“For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
“But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

You read, but you don't believe that the word is near you, so you don't listen with your heart, even though Moses and the other writers of Scripture explained it to you. Therefore you are shut up under sin, just like Paul explained. And therefore He tells us to write to you hoping that someone at some point might get thru to you before it is too late for you. You don't even understand that I am trying to help you by actually pointing you to the Great I Am, Jesus Christ, whose name is called the Word of God, because He is just standing there at the door to your heart hoping that you will let Him and listen to Him. He is your salvation, but you won't let Him into your life, because you won't repent of leaning on your own understanding.

 

[Ritajanice]

We grow and mature in the spirit, by always referring to the written word of God...

Divine revelation imo is exactly that....once you receive divine revelation, check it out with the word....

Scripture does not make our spirit Born Again, scripture backs up divine revelation....

Scripture backs up what the Spirit testifies/ witnesses to our spirit....without the Spirit...we are none of his.my opinion.

The Bible says in John 4:24 “God is a Spirit…” hence, we can only make contact with Him through our spirits. When He wants to communicate with you, He does so directly with your spirit, not your head or your mind; it's a Spirit-to-spirit communication.

 

[Karl Peters]

We grow and mature in the spirit, by always referring to the written word of God...

Divine revelation imo is exactly that....once you receive divine revelation, check it out with the word....

Scripture does not make our spirit Born Again, scripture backs up divine revelation....

Scripture backs up what the Spirit testifies/ witnesses to our spirit....without the Spirit...we are none of his.my opinion.

The Bible says in John 4:24 “God is a Spirit…” hence, we can only make contact with Him through our spirits. When He wants to communicate with you, He does so directly with your spirit, not your head or your mind; it's a Spirit-to-spirit communication.

Growth and maturity in the spirit does absolutely NOT refer to "the written word". Indeed, the phrase "written word" is not even in the Bible. But this is:

Heb 5:9 - 14 And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,
being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek.
Concerning him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.
For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.

So maturity is not from those who are dull of hearing!!
The Hebrews, who had been raised with the Scriptures and traditions of the time, should have been the teachers, but they were not qualified because they didn't practice using their spiritual senses!!

The fact is, that if you want maturity in Jesus Christ you actually spend time listening and learning from Him personally!! When you do that your hearing is not dull!! You hear Him tell you things like:

WILL YOU HANG ON EVERY WORD THAT GOD SAYS? … I DID!

IT IS WRITTEN THAT THE FATHER SAID, ‘THIS IS MY BELOVED SON IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED, LISTEN TO HIM’. ….IT IS THE SAME COMMANDMENT AS ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART.’

NOT READING YOUR BIBLE MAYBE A MISTAKE.
NOT LISTENING TO ME IS A DISASTER.

WHAT A KING SAYS IS LAW.

Have you not even read:

Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom;
From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

or
Prov 3:5 - 7 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.
Do not be wise in your own eyes;

But no, the instant you hear from Him you turn away from Him and to your understanding of the Bible. Is it not at a time like that which is the most important time to again seek Him and His voice, so you might have understanding?

Has He not even told you something like this:

WE DON’T HAVE UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE WE DON’T READ THE BIBLE WITH UNDERSTANDING, BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING…. UNDERSTAND???

or

WE DON’T USE THE LORD TO PREACH THE SCRIPTURES; WE USE THE SCRIPTURES TO PREACH THE LORD!!

or

THE LIE IS “GOD DOESN’T TALK TO YOU!!!!” REMEMBER WHAT THE DEVIL SAID “DID GOD REALLY TELL YOU?” THAT IS THE LIE! THAT IS THE LIE BEING USED TODAY!

or UNDERSTANDING IS UNDERSTANDING I AM UNDERSTANDING! UNDERSTAND?

And did you not even read:

Prov 7:4 Say to wisdom, “You are my sister,”
And call understanding your intimate friend;

If you indeed trusted Him and did go by what is written, you would test the spirit as explained in the Bible (1 Jn 4:1-3) and not by going back to you own understanding. If you indeed trusted in our Lord Jesus Christ you would ask Him for more understanding and get it, because He, Understanding, would be your friend. If indeed you and your acts matched up with the Bible you would seek Him and you would put your trust in Him!

Have you not read this verse:

Jn 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

The Greek word for 'believes' in the above verse is more often translated as 'trusts' in you Bible. Real believing in Him means you trust Him, but you doubt Him so much that even when you hear from Him you don't trust Him and so you go back to leaning on your own understanding instead of even trusting the test He gave you to check the spirits!

If you your thoughts are not His thoughts, then talk to Him more. Ask Him more questions, If is seems like it might not be Him, then test the spirits like you were commanded to do. And stop thinking that you are smarter than Him. Your thoughts are not His thoughts, your ways are not His ways, and that is clearly written in the Bible!!

 

[Ritajanice]

As the written word of God says, which is the Bible.

We grow in the grace and knowledge of our saviour by being led through the written word, for it is written, by the Holy Spirit, only he can bring us to understand the written word of God.

Nowhere in the word does God say we learn from him personally.....we are led by the Spirit....

Short commentary.

Here's the thing: Christianity is not about a personal relationship with Jesus. The phrase is never found in the Bible. And the whole biblical witness runs contrary to it. Our life with Christ is communal, not personal or private or individual.

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 - All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

◄ 2 Peter 3:18 ►
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.



New Living Translation
Rather, you must grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. All glory to him, both now and forever! Amen.

English Standard Version
But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

Berean Standard Bible
But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

 

[One 2 question]

I'm interested to know what your spirit says is the meaning to the verses you allude to?

Because in the 10 commandments it says do not kill exodus 20:13 “You shall not murder.
But Joshua 1:After the death of the Lord's servant Moses, the Lord spoke to Moses' helper, Joshua son of Nun. 2 He said, “My servant Moses is dead. Get ready now, you and all the people of Israel, and cross the Jordan River into the land that I am giving them. 3 As I told Moses, I have given you and all my people the entire land that you will be marching over. 4 Your borders will reach from the desert in the south to the Lebanon Mountains in the north; from the great Euphrates River in the east, through the Hittite country, to the Mediterranean Sea in the west. 5 Joshua, no one will be able to defeat you as long as you live. I will be with you as I was with Moses. I will always be with you; I will never abandon you. 6 Be determined and confident, for you will be the leader of these people as they occupy this land which I promised their ancestors.

God is commanding the Israelites to conquer the land, that is to kill those who opposed them.

As your spirit, if it is from God will confirm the different emphasis between a command to individuals and a command to the whole nation.

The individual was commanded by God through Moses not to kill (murder, cut to pieces).

The individual was commanded by God through Joshua to kill (murder, cut to pieces).

The individual was commanded by God through Moses not to steal.

The individual was commanded by God through Joshua not to steal and an individual stole. An individual named Achan and was killed.

The individual was permitted by God through Joshua to steal anything that belonged to each individual in Ai.
Josh 8:2 You shall do to Ai and its king as you did to Jericho and its king, except that you may carry off their plunder and livestock for yourselves.

The collective is made up of individuals. My family is made up of individuals. The children of Israel are made up of individuals. The church is made up of individuals individuals whose names are written in the book of life as you have probably read.

 

[One 2 question]

We grow and mature in the spirit, by always referring to the written word of God...

Divine revelation imo is exactly that....once you receive divine revelation, check it out with the word....

Scripture does not make our spirit Born Again, scripture backs up divine revelation....

Scripture backs up what the Spirit testifies/ witnesses to our spirit....without the Spirit...we are none of his.my opinion.

The Bible says in John 4:24 “God is a Spirit…” hence, we can only make contact with Him through our spirits. When He wants to communicate with you, He does so directly with your spirit, not your head or your mind; it's a Spirit-to-spirit communication.

I love what the Spirit brings to me as an individual, from Christ, and makes it known to me. These may have been revealed to and through those contributions of the bible. Yet other truths go beyond, way beyond what was revealed to them and through these few individuals.

If you want to stay in the bible go right ahead. As for me and many others we are enjoying being led by the Spirit into truth by whatever means He chooses to use. The bible being just one of many. The Source is the same, it's God in Whom all truth originates.

His Courier is His Spirit Who has the task of delivering truth to us individuals who make up the church, Christ's body. Spirit to spirit. Mind to mind. Our Head to my head, where my brain processes what He has downloaded into my spirit.

 

[One 2 question]

As the written word of God says, which is the Bible.

We grow in the grace and knowledge of our saviour by being led through the written word, for it is written, by the Holy Spirit, only he can bring us to understand the written word of God.

Nowhere in the word does God say we learn from him personally.....we are led by the Spirit....

So the Shepherd Jesus doesnt do as He said, calls His individual sheep by your your individual name? Isn't your individual name written in His book of life? Jesus doesn't call individuals to Himself and give them individual roles with individual gifts to impact an individual in the church or outside to come join Him so that their individual name is written down.

So Saul (Paul) wasn't called by Jesus on the road to Damascus? Was Jesus talking to the crowd that day.

I'm glad Jesus talks to me as an individual person, with my individual spirit so that I can learn what His individual plan is for me.

 

[Ritajanice]

Got explains it well imo.

What is spiritual growth?
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ANSWER

Spiritual growth is the process of becoming more and more like Jesus Christ. When we place our faith in Jesus, the Holy Spirit begins the process of making us more like Him, conforming us to His image. Spiritual growth is perhaps best described in 2 Peter 1:3-8, which tells us that by God’s power we have “everything we need” to live lives of godliness, which is the goal of spiritual growth. Notice that what we need comes “through our knowledge of Him,” which is the key to obtaining everything we need. Our knowledge of Him comes from the Word, given to us for our edification and growth.

There are two lists in Galatians 5:19-23. Verses 19-21 list the “acts of the flesh.” These are the things that identified our lives before we came to Christ for salvation. The acts of the flesh are the activities we are to confess, repent of, and, with God’s help, overcome. As we experience spiritual growth, fewer and fewer of the “acts of the flesh” will be evident in our lives. The second list is the “fruit of the Spirit” (verses 22-23). These are what should characterize our lives now that we have experienced salvation in Jesus Christ. Spiritual growth is identified by the fruit of the Spirit becoming increasingly evident in a believer’s life.

When the transformation of salvation takes place, spiritual growth begins. The Holy Spirit indwells us (John 14:16-17). We are new creatures in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17). The old, sinful nature begins to give way to the new, Christlike nature (Romans 6-7). Spiritual growth is a lifelong process that depends on our study and application of God’s Word (2 Timothy 3:16-17) and our walk in the Spirit (Galatians 5:16-26). As we seek spiritual growth, we should pray to God and ask for wisdom concerning the areas He desires us to grow in. We can ask God to increase our faith and knowledge of Him. God desires for us to grow spiritually, and He has given us all we need to experience spiritual growth. With the Holy Spirit’s help, we can overcome sin and steadily become more like our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[One 2 question]

Here's the thing: Christianity is not about a personal relationship with Jesus. The phrase is never found in the Bible. And the whole biblical witness runs contrary to it. Our life with Christ is communal, not personal or private or individual.

The phrase 'The Trinity' isnt in your bible unless you've written it in.

Wow! So you have never had the Spirit call you by name? Or tell you specific things to you personally? Surely you are the exception. A deaf sheep. A neglected sheep. An isolated member of Christ's body. Are you in fact a sheep of Christ? Are you even a member of His body? If you claim to be then your beliefs and practices indicate you may not be in reality.

10 virgins waited for Christ. Only 5 vigins were acknowledged as His, for He knew them to be His. The other 5 individual hopeful, expectant virgins were rejected.

I wonder if He knows you as His own sister and virgin wife to be? Or will He say to you, away from Me, I never knew you! You and I never had a personal relationship.

 

[One 2 question]

Here's the thing: Christianity is not about a personal relationship with Jesus. The phrase is never found in the Bible. And the whole biblical witness runs contrary to it. Our life with Christ is communal, not personal or private or individual.

So Paul's note, scroll, letter or if he had email, wasn't sent to Timothy's individual email address. Which email address was it sent to? Paul made a mistake by addressing his scroll to an individual, naming his name and his mother's personal, private, individual name? And he didn't learn his mistake the first time but wrote a second one.

Also, Php 4:2 I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord.

Error after error.

Phm 1:1 Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ, and Timothy our brother, unto Philemon our dearly beloved, and fellowlabourer,

Phm 1:2 And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier

These aren't individuals? Paul didn't actually know each one individually? He didn't have a personal relationship with them? Yet he addressed them personally using their personal individual names.

But I guess that's Paul. Jesus is prohibited from being personal. And we are assigned a relationship with Christ's body but not Christ's Head, the Head of the church. We are restricted to a relationship with fellow virgins but never with the Groom.

Wow! How sad that I can't have a relationship with Him Who I love and have given my life to. I wonder what my marriage relationship would look like if I could only relate to my spouse in the collective family? And I couldn't relate to my spouse personally, privately, individually. I guess we wouldn't have a collective (communal) family, no sex, no children, no family.

 

[One 2 question]

Got explains it well imo.

What is spiritual growth?
translate
GQkidz
spiritual growth
audio
ANSWER

Spiritual growth is the process of becoming more and more like Jesus Christ. When we place our faith in Jesus, the Holy Spirit begins the process of making us more like Him, conforming us to His image. Spiritual growth is perhaps best described in 2 Peter 1:3-8, which tells us that by God’s power we have “everything we need” to live lives of godliness, which is the goal of spiritual growth. Notice that what we need comes “through our knowledge of Him,” which is the key to obtaining everything we need. Our knowledge of Him comes from the Word, given to us for our edification and growth.

There are two lists in Galatians 5:19-23. Verses 19-21 list the “acts of the flesh.” These are the things that identified our lives before we came to Christ for salvation. The acts of the flesh are the activities we are to confess, repent of, and, with God’s help, overcome. As we experience spiritual growth, fewer and fewer of the “acts of the flesh” will be evident in our lives. The second list is the “fruit of the Spirit” (verses 22-23). These are what should characterize our lives now that we have experienced salvation in Jesus Christ. Spiritual growth is identified by the fruit of the Spirit becoming increasingly evident in a believer’s life.

When the transformation of salvation takes place, spiritual growth begins. The Holy Spirit indwells us (John 14:16-17). We are new creatures in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17). The old, sinful nature begins to give way to the new, Christlike nature (Romans 6-7). Spiritual growth is a lifelong process that depends on our study and application of God’s Word (2 Timothy 3:16-17) and our walk in the Spirit (Galatians 5:16-26). As we seek spiritual growth, we should pray to God and ask for wisdom concerning the areas He desires us to grow in. We can ask God to increase our faith and knowledge of Him. God desires for us to grow spiritually, and He has given us all we need to experience spiritual growth. With the Holy Spirit’s help, we can overcome sin and steadily become more like our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Do you want to become more like Jesus or have a personal relationship with Him?

James said, show me your faith without from your deeds.
I will show you my faith by my deeds.

I say, I become more like Jesus BECAUSE of the personal relationship I have with Him.

 

[Ritajanice]

Here is a bit more food for thought.

I agree we are Born Again by divine revelation, but, that imo must be checked out by the written word, which is our guide, the written word is in black and white writing...written by men “ under the Influence “/ inspired words by the Spirit for them to write.

Why did the Spirit inspire these men to write those words...?

Just to tell everyone to throw it down the drain...and only listen to God in their head?

I’m still waiting to hear from 2 how they know that they are Born Again, as it must be backed up with the Bible, otherwise I won’t even entertain there preaching/ teachings, because it’s not Biblical...said with respect/ and in Love.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Bible says.

Without the Spirit guidance through scripture, I would never be able to grow and mature, reason being, what I believe I received by divine revelation......how could I check it out to make sure it came from God....the Bible Of course....







◄ John 7:18 ►
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
Whoever speaks on their own does so to gain personal glory, but he who seeks the glory of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.

New Living Translation
Those who speak for themselves want glory only for themselves, but a person who seeks to honor the one who sent him speaks truth, not lies.

English Standard Version
The one who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but the one who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood.

Berean Standard Bible
He who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory, but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is a man of truth; in Him there is no falsehood.

 

[Ritajanice]

So Paul's note, scroll, letter or if he had email, wasn't sent to Timothy's individual email address. Which email address was it sent to? Paul made a mistake by addressing his scroll to an individual, naming his name and his mother's personal, private, individual name? And he didn't learn his mistake the first time but wrote a second one.

Also, Php 4:2 I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord.

Error after error.

Phm 1:1 Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ, and Timothy our brother, unto Philemon our dearly beloved, and fellowlabourer,

Phm 1:2 And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier

These aren't individuals? Paul didn't actually know each one individually? He didn't have a personal relationship with them? Yet he addressed them personally using their personal individual names.

But I guess that's Paul. Jesus is prohibited from being personal. And we are assigned a relationship with Christ's body but not Christ's Head, the Head of the church. We are restricted to a relationship with fellow virgins but never with the Groom.

Wow! How sad that I can't have a relationship with Him Who I love and have given my life to. I wonder what my marriage relationship would look like if I could only relate to my spouse in the collective family? And I couldn't relate to my spouse personally, privately, individually. I guess we wouldn't have a collective (communal) family, no sex, no children, no family.

Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[One 2 question]

Here is a bit more food for thought.

I agree we are Born Again by divine revelation, but, that imo must be checked out by the written word, which is our guide, the written word is in black and white writing...written by men “ under the Influence “/ inspired words by the Spirit for them to write.

I have written hundreds of pages of words while under the influence of the Spirit. These words are inspired by the Spirit Who was living in me at the time. The bible wasn't my guide. It was a Person Who guided me.

Why did the Spirit inspire these men to write those words...?

The same reason any of us are inspired to write the words we write.

Just to tell everyone to throw it down the drain...and only listen to God in their head?

What people do with the inspired words the Spirit reveals to us and moves us to speak, to write or to live out is not my concern. That is up to the Spirit to continue the work He started when He first received a particular truth from Christ, then downloaded it into me and had me share it with whosoever.

 

[Ritajanice]

Short commentary.

How do I know if the voice in my head is God?
The surest and safest way to test whether what you are hearing is from God is to compare it to what God has already said. The Bible is God's written word. God doesn't change, contradict himself, lie, or make mistakes. So if it doesn't line up with what he has already said in the Bible, then that voice is not from God.

 

[Ritajanice]

I have written hundreds of pages of words while under the influence of the Spirit. These words are inspired by the Spirit Who was living in me at the time. The bible wasn't my guide. It was a Person Who guided me.

That’s interesting, maybe you can share some with us, my mind is certainly open....I’d be fascinated to see what you wrote while you were under the influence of the Spirit?

I do agree that he speaks to our heart by divine revelation, but, there is a but.

If that makes sense...I’ll see what you post , then question you on it.

Ps, you forgot to tell me ,how what you hear, is the voice of the Lord?

How do you know it’s the voice of the Lord?

The Spirit was Living in me at the time?.....you say above.

Are you saying that he only lived in you while he was inspiring you what to say/ write?...please explain?

 

[Karl Peters]

How did God tell you to do this?

The Bible says.

Without the Spirit guidance through scripture, I would never be able to grow and mature, reason being, what I believe I received by divine revelation......how could I check it out to make sure it came from God....the Bible Of course....

I included parts of two posts, one from "One 2 question" asking how God tell us - or specifically how does God tell Ritajanice, but it is a good question for us all!

I also included a post from "Ritajanice" where she writes "The Bible says.", and "Without the Spirit guidance through scripture I would never be able to grow and mature"

The wrong conclusions from ""Ritajanice" are the problem she has!

First the Bible does not say anything!!!! The Bible is not alive, does not have a voice, can not think to react and respond, and in no way is the Bible able to actually say anything. The Bible is the Sacred writings!! So by giving the Bible attributes of a living being, she is in fact making an idol out of it.

In an earlier post on this thread "One 2 question" wrote that the Lord told him to stop reading the Bible because He was making an idol out of it, and that was interfering with his relationship with the Lord. So Ritajanice, already got the testimony from "One 2 question", but didn't believe him. Nor did she take it to the Lord and discuss it with Him, because she it still thinking the Bible says things and the the Spirits guidance is through the Scriptures.

Have we who claim to have read the Bible, even to the point of saying the Bible speak and says things, to have read this verse and the problems Jesus had to deal with when He came to earth in the flesh?

Jn 5: 38 - 41 “You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent.
You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
“I do not receive glory from men;

Jesus on earth in the flesh had to deal with a group of people, the Jews, who did not have His word abiding in them!!!

So where did they do for the "word of God" - to the Scriptures, which we call the Bible. And how is that not like "Ritajanice"??

She thinks the Bible says things, and she goes to the Bible for what God is saying to her... and then she insists the the Spirit of God guides her through the Scriptures. Did we not read about how Satan tried to use the Scriptures too, and that against Jesus Christ who is the Word of God??

Mat 4:5,6 Then the devil *took Him into the holy city and had Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple,
and *said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written,
‘HE WILL COMMAND HIS ANGELS CONCERNING YOU’;
and
‘ON their HANDS THEY WILL BEAR YOU UP,
SO THAT YOU WILL NOT STRIKE YOUR FOOT AGAINST A STONE.’”

The demons have no problem quoting you scripture, and so you think just because you feel a spirit quoting you something in the Bible it is from the Holy Spirit?? Why?? That is not according to the Bible. I have pointed out to those posting here that the Bible has a very specific test - you find it in 1 Jn 4:1-3 - and I specifically pointed it out to "Ritajanice"!

Still she thinks the Bible is the word of God that speaks to us, and that the Holy Spirit is the only one that bring scriptures to her. She should have been seeking Jesus Christ and going to Him, then she would have know Him, understood that He is the Word of God - and that is His name! She would have then been taught to use the very specific test in 1 Jn 4:1-3 to test the spirits, even that snake who like to quote scriptures to mess us up.

So let me answer the question, "Who does God tell you this" - the answer is that He speaks to us, and that through the Holy Spirit. We can test the spirits to make sure it is Him, by using the test provided in the Bible, but it is also written that those who seek find. Jesus explained that' if you ask for a fish are you going to get a snake?' No - if you ask God for His Son, Jesus Christ, who the image of a fish was used for Him in the early church, God is not going to give you that snake of Old - Satan!!

Yet some refuse to believe in Him! That is because the first words that snake says are "Did God really say", or "“Indeed, has God said,"

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said,

That is still the first and foremost way that snake comes after you. He wants you doubting the Word of God, Jesus Christ who took on flesh and found doubters who were searching the Scriptures instead of going to Him for eternal life, will in fact talk to you personally!! Those people then, and so people now also because there is nothing new under the sun, turn to the Bible instead of seeking Him by faith!!

If a person wants to speak to Jesus Christ, the way to do it is say, "Jesus Christ what do you have to say about this?" and consider what comes to you. Since it is by faith, you might need to ask Him an easy to believe for question like, "Jesus Christ, is there anyone I need to forgive?"

In doing that you are seeking and asking for the One whom they drew as a fish, so are you going to get a snake? If you are still not sure, the apply the test:

1 Jn 4:2,3 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

and don't even try to tell me you are going by the written word is you are not!! You not only are not going by the "Written Word" as you like to call the Bible, but even you calling the orderly lines of text you read a little here and there ' the word' you prove you are not listening to and seeking Jesus Christ. Or have you not read:

Is 28:12,13 He who said to them, “Here is rest, give rest to the weary,”
And, “Here is repose,” but they would not listen.
So the word of the LORD to them will be,
“Order on order, order on order,
Line on line, line on line,
A little here, a little there,”
That they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.

So you writing that the written word speaks to you shows you are making and idol out of it, and that is because that snake of old has been telling you, "Did God really say", so you stop seeking Jesus Christ who sends His Holy Spirit with His words, and you go back to searching the Scriptures for your salvation instead of going to Jesus Christ by faith. And you even fail to understand that God had men write, so that you might seek Him, but if you did believe what Moses wrote - about the word of God being found near you, in your mouth and heart - so not written in ink on pages, then how are you going to start actually seeking Jesus Christ and go to Him?

Did you not read:

Jn 5: 46,47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
“But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

The Bible thumpers say, "THE BIBLE, THE BIBLE, THE BIBLE", but they don't actually believe the writings or they would know that Jesus makes a difference between His word- or ask He said to the Jews "My words", and the writings of those like Moses!! Or did you not read the verse I posted about: "“I do not receive glory from men;" (Jn 5:41)

They want to you about "The Bible", where as I want to tell you about Jesus Christ - that He is the Word of God

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

And that because He has and owns the words of God because His Father gave them to Him

Jn 16: 15 “All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you

And so He sends His words directly from Him to you personally, via His Holy Spirit speaking you your spirit!

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

So it is not the Bible that give you life, not the Bible whom we are seeking, not the Bible who speaks to you, not the Bible who is the Word of God that took on flesh, and it is not even the Bible that are His words to you, because men like Moses heard them. So they are words spoken to Moses, which Moses passed on, and not to you!!

Yet Isaiah passed on, from God:

Is 1,2 Listen, O heavens, and hear, O earth;
For the LORD speaks,

Is 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD,
You rulers of Sodom;
Give ear to the instruction of our God,
You people of Gomorrah.

Is 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the LORD,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;

but you didn't do it. You turned back to your Bibles because you didn't think He is there to be heard form. You bought into the lie from the liar who said, “Indeed, has God said,"

One 2 question asked, "How did God tell you to do this?" - and many need to be asking that question to themselves.

One 2 question explained that God told him that he was making an idol out of the Bible, and you should have consider it.

And Isaiah, told you that you should go reason with the Lord, and you should have done that!

John told you how to test the spirits, and you should have use that test!

But you go back to leaning on your own understanding of the Scriptures, because that snake is still saying, "Indeed, Has God said?"