AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD

[Karl Peters]

What do you mean by ignore the bible.

I don't read the bible and haven't for years. I have gone beyond the bible and hear from God the Spirit just as those who did before the scriptures existed.

So suggest away. The Spirit told me to repent of the bible as it became an idol which came between God and I.

I hear Christ through others as well as directly.

I mean exactly what I wrote.

Any spirit, guidance, teaching that says don't read the bible is not coming from God.

Above are two other posts quoted.

'One 2 question' - writes that God the Spirit told said the not to read the bible because it had become and idol that came between God and 'One 2 question'

'Windmill Charge' claims that any spirit that is telling us that is not from God.

I would like to address this issue, but first I want to state what I have been told this. The first words I personally know if hearing from the Lord were, "READ YOUR BIBLE", and I capitalized it because those words came across to me with a lot of power and emphasis behind them1

Yet the Lord also talk to me about how people do make an idol out of their Bible, and He did it after I had meet with a pastor who was telling me that reading the Bible was hearing from God. Specifically, on the way home from that meeting the Lord started saying to me, "Quad-God, Quad-God, Quad God! Then He started explaining that people make God out to be Father, Son, Spirit, and Holy Bible - and then they actually substitute reading the Bible for hearing from Him. When that happens, He explained to me, then they have made the wood made into paper and written on their god. They have made an idol out of their Bible.

The Lord our God, Jesus Christ, is a person who we can talk to through His Holy Spirit!! He is alive and active, but your Bible cannot think, move, or show any attributes that we attribute to life! It can't make judgements or discern between anything, because it cannot think. I was once told by Him:

"THE SCRIPTURES ARE RIGHT, BUT THEY ARE NOT RIGHTEOUS. THEY HAVE NO ABILITY TO ACT. THEY ARE NOT ALIVE, BUT THE WORD OF GOD IS ALIVE AND ACTIVE."

So it is possible to make an idol out of your Bible!!!!

I don't personally know 'One 2 question', so I don't know his habits, thinking, and ways he approaches his life. And the Lord had not specifically talked to me about 'One 2 question'!

However, the Lord did insist that I write on this before completing my work for my business. So I don't know if the Lord told 'One 2 question' to not read his Bible because He was making and idol out of it so reading it was getting in the way of his personal relationship with Jesus Christ as His Lord, but unlike 'Windmill Charge' neither can I say the Lord didn't tell him that. Indeed, it would make sense to me that the Lord would have, if indeed when 'One 2 question' read the Bible, it caused him to not actually seek Jesus Christ and what He says through His Holy Spirit.

I can say this from experience, and it is also discussed in the Bible - and that is the His thoughts are not out thoughts and His ways are not our ways. He is God and a lot smarter than any of us. He also knows a persona heart, their ways, and tendencies, where as neither Windmill Charge, nor I can make that claim. And that also applies to knowing the heart of God, His ways, and His thoughts!!!

Yet from the post 'Windmill Charge' seems to be making that exact claim!! Unless 'Windmill Charge' did in fact hear Jesus Christ personally hear Him tell him to write what He did, and in fact He did test the spirit per the Scriptures (1 Jn 4:1-3) then 'Windmill Charge' is actually leaning on His own understanding instead of seeking God. And it actually seems that 'Windmill Charge' is trying to tell us what God would do and say, but not actually entering in and hearing from the Lord. And there are Scriptures concerning this issue!

Prov 3:5-7 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.
Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the LORD and turn away from evil.

Is 55:8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD.

So if indeed, 'One 2 question' is someone who is in fact and deed actually trusting in the LORD with all his heart and not leaning on his own understanding, then he is someone who is actually following what is written in the Scriptures. And if 'Windmill Charge' did not seek the Lord before writing what he did but instead wrote what he thought was correct without ever hearing the Lord in this subject, then he is the one who is wise in his own eyes and needs to Fear the Lord and turn away from evil.

A spirit of pride will tell you that you know what God thinks, implying that you don't need Jesus Christ our Lord and God whose name is called The Word of God because He has the words of God for us personally!

The Lord once told me:

'Karl, People want to tells others all about Me instead of about Me."

The Lord like to teach me with little sayings and parables, and it is seems to be true. We people tend to want to tell others all about what God is thinking and feeling, instead of just telling them to seek Him themselves!! Of course this is a Christian forum, and exchange of ideas and thoughts we have would also be expected to be presented, and also hopefully teachings, testimonies, and other things about Him would be discussed. But from my experience of over 20 years talking back and forth with Him, I suggest we all seek Him before making in final conclusions on what God told another person or not!! And I also suggest that we point other people to Him and that personal relationship we can have with Him when we go and reason with Him ourselves.

So I admit that I don't know whether 'One 2 question' actually heard the Lord say not to read the Bible. Yet I found that post interesting and could see why that might have been said by the Lord our God. He does not want us to have idols, and we can substitute reading the Bible for hearing Him and that is making an idol out of your Bible!! He did go over that we me!!

And too often I have seen where Christians lean on their own understanding of what God might tell others or not, instead of seeking Him and listening to Him for His understanding. And He has gone of that with me personally also. So beware of trying to be God instead of pointing people to God. Seek Him in all your ways, please!

 

[One 2 question]

Above are two other posts quoted.

'One 2 question' - writes that God the Spirit told said the not to read the bible because it had become and idol that came between God and 'One 2 question'

'Windmill Charge' claims that any spirit that is telling us that is not from God.

I would like to address this issue, but first I want to state what I have been told this. The first words I personally know if hearing from the Lord were, "READ YOUR BIBLE", and I capitalized it because those words came across to me with a lot of power and emphasis behind them1

Yet the Lord also talk to me about how people do make an idol out of their Bible, and He did it after I had meet with a pastor who was telling me that reading the Bible was hearing from God. Specifically, on the way home from that meeting the Lord started saying to me, "Quad-God, Quad-God, Quad God! Then He started explaining that people make God out to be Father, Son, Spirit, and Holy Bible - and then they actually substitute reading the Bible for hearing from Him. When that happens, He explained to me, then they have made the wood made into paper and written on their god. They have made an idol out of their Bible.

The Lord our God, Jesus Christ, is a person who we can talk to through His Holy Spirit!! He is alive and active, but your Bible cannot think, move, or show any attributes that we attribute to life! It can't make judgements or discern between anything, because it cannot think. I was once told by Him:

"THE SCRIPTURES ARE RIGHT, BUT THEY ARE NOT RIGHTEOUS. THEY HAVE NO ABILITY TO ACT. THEY ARE NOT ALIVE, BUT THE WORD OF GOD IS ALIVE AND ACTIVE."

So it is possible to make an idol out of your Bible!!!!

I don't personally know 'One 2 question', so I don't know his habits, thinking, and ways he approaches his life. And the Lord had not specifically talked to me about 'One 2 question'!

However, the Lord did insist that I write on this before completing my work for my business. So I don't know if the Lord told 'One 2 question' to not read his Bible because He was making and idol out of it so reading it was getting in the way of his personal relationship with Jesus Christ as His Lord, but unlike 'Windmill Charge' neither can I say the Lord didn't tell him that. Indeed, it would make sense to me that the Lord would have, if indeed when 'One 2 question' read the Bible, it caused him to not actually seek Jesus Christ and what He says through His Holy Spirit.

I can say this from experience, and it is also discussed in the Bible - and that is the His thoughts are not out thoughts and His ways are not our ways. He is God and a lot smarter than any of us. He also knows a persona heart, their ways, and tendencies, where as neither Windmill Charge, nor I can make that claim. And that also applies to knowing the heart of God, His ways, and His thoughts!!!

Thanks for your reflections. What resonates with me is what the Spirit revealed to our brother Paul.

we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, 8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”

10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.

13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

God has revealed them (The things which God has prepared for those who love Him) to us through His Spirit.
For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

I am so grateful to have the mind of Christ. Since receiving the Spirit He has been revealing the mind of Christ to me. He has been revealing things which God has prepared for those who love Him. This is fantastic. I love Them more the more They reveal Themselves to me personally.

Their plan of reconciliation, redemption, restoration is brilliant! Reflecting on this revealed mystery brings instant joy. This specific revelation to me personally is further proof of what Paul experienced and shared with the church. God is unvailing hidden truths to the church through the church to this very day.

Why would people want to try and silence God? Of course this is impossible. Satan and His angels have been trying for 1000s of years but have failed.

Since the Spirit entered the members of the church, the knowledge of God, the mind and thoughts of God has exploded and hasn't stopped. Isn't this awesome.

Many tried to contain the mind of Christ and keep the mysteries hidden in God when they brainwashed others with this evil teaching that God has only shared what He wants us to know, in the pages of the bible, refering to it as the CLOSED canon. These ignorant deceived messengers of Satan have tried so hard to close off, shut down, turn off the ongoing revelation of the Creators by Their Spirit.

I'm so glad I'm not one of these, well not any more. The dam wall has burst and the revelations that have flowed down into my spirit since repenting of my worship of the bible is nothing short of incredible. Praise God for His manifold wisdom which He is displaying through the little, small, weak, vulnerable church in which the Powerful Divine Spirit of God now exists. Paul stated earlier and it resonates with me, I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

And Jesus's revealed truth, You shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.

 

[Karl Peters]

Thanks for your reflections. What resonates with me is what the Spirit revealed to our brother Paul.

we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, 8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”

10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.

13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

God has revealed them (The things which God has prepared for those who love Him) to us through His Spirit.
For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

I am so grateful to have the mind of Christ. Since receiving the Spirit He has been revealing the mind of Christ to me. He has been revealing things which God has prepared for those who love Him. This is fantastic. I love Them more the more They reveal Themselves to me personally.

Their plan of reconciliation, redemption, restoration is brilliant! Reflecting on this revealed mystery brings instant joy. This specific revelation to me personally is further proof of what Paul experienced and shared with the church. God is unvailing hidden truths to the church through the church to this very day.

Why would people want to try and silence God? Of course this is impossible. Satan and His angels have been trying for 1000s of years but have failed.

Since the Spirit entered the members of the church, the knowledge of God, the mind and thoughts of God has exploded and hasn't stopped. Isn't this awesome.

Many tried to contain the mind of Christ and keep the mysteries hidden in God when they brainwashed others with this evil teaching that God has only shared what He wants us to know, in the pages of the bible, refering to it as the CLOSED canon. These ignorant deceived messengers of Satan have tried so hard to close off, shut down, turn off the ongoing revelation of the Creators by Their Spirit.

I'm so glad I'm not one of these, well not any more. The dam wall has burst and the revelations that have flowed down into my spirit since repenting of my worship of the bible is nothing short of incredible. Praise God for His manifold wisdom which He is displaying through the little, small, weak, vulnerable church in which the Powerful Divine Spirit of God now exists. Paul stated earlier and it resonates with me, I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

And Jesus's revealed truth, You shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.

YES - It should be obvious that we can know God, but cannot know all about God.

So, it should be equally obvious that we can point each other to God, but cannot tell them all about God.

And we can share about what He has done for us, and even pass on teachings He gave us, but even the full understanding of the teachings we cannot know. We just cannot view things from His perspective, but only our perspective! Religion is our (man's understanding of God) but since all the above should be obvious, we should not make it about our Religion but our relationship with the Lord our God. That is to say we testify and point people to Him! And since we can pick up what the Lord our God, Jesus Christ, has to say even in words, via His Holy Spirit bringing His words to our spirit, preaching the Word of God means we find His words near us - in our mouth and in our hearts. And that is the Word of God we are preaching.

Yet not all of us, because some hold up their Bible, call it the Word of God instead of Jesus Christ our Lord who has been given all the things of God, including the words of God, by His Father. And then they try and tell us all about God, instead of about God - that He is there to be heard from. And that type of person fears the devil instead of fearing God. So they worry that if they seek the Lord our God, Jesus Christ, they instead will find the devil. Thus, they do not seek the Lord, Jesus Christ, so they become captive by the devil because they don't have faith in Jesus Christ. Those first words of that snake of old, "Did God really say", caused doubt that God might say something to them. Therefore, God made hearing by faith the very thing, and only thing, by which we get salvation.

It is not that we do not need to have some discernment of spirits, but if you think Jesus Christ is either dead or in a far off place called heaven, so you can seek Him and find Him, then your discernment has failed you. All you have left are the Scriptures and the Law there in, so you don't have a personal relationship with God. And sadly we all too often find that problem in Christianity. Too many 'Christians' don't seek Jesus Christ by faith, but they to live their life by the Law and rules in the Scriptures, even though it is written there in:

Gal 3:1-3 You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?
This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?
Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

and

Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

So their boast of knowing the Scriptures has failed them and is contrary to what is written in the Scriptures. They even missed -

1 Cor 1:31 so that, just as it is written, “LET HIM WHO BOASTS, BOAST IN THE LORD.”

So it is that 'One 2 question' writes "Since receiving the Spirit He has been revealing the mind of Christ to me". It is not us who reveal 'the mind of Christ' to others or even ourselves but it is the Spirit of God that does that. So, what can we do put to tell people to seek Jesus Christ who sends His Spirit with His word (the words of God) to us personally?

Does not their help from Him, personally? Is it not His words to them that they need to hear? So I might testify as to what His Spirit has told me - like:

WE DON’T USE THE LORD TO PREACH THE SCRIPTURES; WE USE THE SCRIPTURES TO PREACH THE LORD!!

Yet who will believe and seek the Lord our God, Jesus Christ? They seemed to want to use the Scriptures the Lord gave us to preach the Scriptures instead of Him, so they show they don't know Him to those who do know Him. They then call the Scriptures, "The Word of God", when even though the Scriptures explain "The Word of God" is the name for Jesus Christ, the LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS. So they make the Scriptures their god, their idol, their only connection with God. and knowing the book someone has written is not knowing the Person of God, Jesus Christ.

It made since to me to find out that someone, even 'One 2 question, would tell us that our Lord Jesus Christ via His Holy Spirit, to not read the Bible if the reading of the Bible cause them to forget to seek the Lord by faith and instead replace Jesus Christ, the living Word of God, with the Sacred Writings that are meant to lead us to Jesus. Yet if we can understand that the Scriptures are like a textbook our Teacher can use to teach us, and not the Teacher Himself, then can we not read the Scriptures (the writings others before us who knew the Lord wrote) and get our Lord and Teacher to explain some of the things, He told them, to us?

We just don't want to believe the lies too often coming from the podiums in our Christian churches, that the Scriptures are Him talking to us. They are not!

Him talking to us is Him talking to us!!! Of course!!!

 

[amigo de christo]

11"We have much to say about this, but it is hard to explain, because you are dull of hearing. 12 Although by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to reteach you the basic principles of God’s word. You need milk, not solid food! 13For everyone who lives on milk is still an infant, inexperienced in the message of righteousness.…"
Berean Standard Bible

everyone who is taught of GOD cometh to WHO . exactly .
and if their jesus contradicts the bible one you can bet they were not taught of GOD .
pretty simple indeed .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Jn 6:45 “It is written in the prophets, ‘AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.

Love 1 Thessalonians 4:9 But as touching brotherly love you need not that I write unto you: for you yourselves are taught of God to love one another. It fits well with Jn 6:45 “It is written in the prophets, ‘AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.

 

[Taken]

AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD

From the beginning of Creation of this World, God Created and Established DIVISIONS…
AND…Gods approval and disapproval of Each Divided thing…

From the beginning of manKIND…men were taught BY God and OF God…

God had a VERY simple method…Hear, Learn what He Approves OF and Disapproves OF…then FREELY CHOOSE your own Direction / Path… and SHARE, REPEAT to others the SAME.

Israel chose, Gentiles chose….and amongst all Israelites and Gentiles, they divide amongst themselves.

In the END of Days…. Excuses, Divisions among Israelites and Gentiles…Israelites and Israelites…and…Gentiles and Gentiles….will no longer be a consideration…OF “Gods People ISRAEL”…and “all the other People GENTILES”….

ALL will HEAR…and “”INDIVIDUALS” (Israelites OR Gentiles)…shall be BY THIER INDIVIDUAL “choices”….SO examined BY the Lord God…..TO BE…willingly ….
WITH or WITHOUT Him…

Preachers, Teachers, Parents, Family, Friends, Neighbors, Electronics, Podcasts from strangers…. And the whole mis-mash…IRRELEVANT…

God has already established…taught and prepared HIS Hebrew fathers to TEACH (under the guidance of HIS Lamb) the Tribes of Israel (who over the course of the last 2,000 years became wayward to the Teachings of Christ Jesus’ teaching).

Rev 14:
[1] And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
[4] These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

God has already established…prepared HIS holy Angel to TEACH the rest of the entire World (Jews, Gentiles, Male, Female (it thing humans), Old, Young)… The Gospel of Jesus Christ…Final Option for all of mankind to Accept or Reject.

Rev 14:
[6] And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

No excuses…ALL shall Hear…and have opportunity to Accept or Reject…and subject to the consequences thereafter for either choice.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[One 2 question]

everyone who is taught of GOD cometh to WHO . exactly .
and if their jesus contradicts the bible one you can bet they were not taught of GOD .
pretty simple indeed .

I strongly disagree. Jesus can contradict what Moses said, David said, John said, Paul said. Actually God the Father has contradicted Himself in the past. You can easily find it in your bible. But you would know that, having read the bible yourself.

 

[One 2 question]

Pe

everyone who is taught of GOD cometh to WHO . exactly .
and if their jesus contradicts the bible one you can bet they were not taught of GOD .
pretty simple indeed .

Personally I don't turn to teachers. Nor do I turn to the bible. I only listen to the Spirit of God. Anyone or anything else can be a distraction from many. Infants in the body may require teachers to point them to the Spirit of Truth so that they they can hear directly from Him. We become followers of the Spirit of Christ Who leads us into truth whichever way and by whatever means He chooses.

 

[Ritajanice]

"Of course the above comments are just silly and don't make sense!!"



Your emphasise is listen to the ' Spirit ', you say know your Bible, yet you say the Bible is not the word of God.
If the bible is just another so called holy book, why do you refer to scripture, and again how do you test the Spirits you are listening to.


I would suggest that any spirit that tells you to ignore the bible is not from God.

I have to say Brother, God has always spoken to my heart first and foremost.....then always check out what I believe the Spirit to be saying to my heart with scripture.

If what we speak out doesn’t line up with the written word, then it wasn’t from God....beware of those who only consult God by saying they only listen to his voice and never check what God says with the written word....personally I would ignore their posts..it’s not worth getting into any type of discussion with them.....as it just causes quarrelling.

 

[Ritajanice]

Personally I don't turn to teachers. Nor do I turn to the bible. I only listen to the Spirit of God

Then imo you are in grave error, the written word backs up everything we believe we here from God.

What have you got to back up from what you hear, if you don’t consult the written word to make sure what you heard/ hear was from God.

It could be from your own imagination for all we know...if what you say isn’t in the written word, then I wouldn’t believe a word you were saying....and cease discussion with you.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD

From the beginning of Creation of this World, God Created and Established DIVISIONS…
AND…Gods approval and disapproval of Each Divided thing…

From the beginning of manKIND…men were taught BY God and OF God…

God had a VERY simple method…Hear, Learn what He Approves OF and Disapproves OF…then FREELY CHOOSE your own Direction / Path… and SHARE, REPEAT to others the SAME.

Israel chose, Gentiles chose….and amongst all Israelites and Gentiles, they divide amongst themselves.

In the END of Days…. Excuses, Divisions among Israelites and Gentiles…Israelites and Israelites…and…Gentiles and Gentiles….will no longer be a consideration…OF “Gods People ISRAEL”…and “all the other People GENTILES”….

ALL will HEAR…and “”INDIVIDUALS” (Israelites OR Gentiles)…shall be BY THIER INDIVIDUAL “choices”….SO examined BY the Lord God…..TO BE…willingly ….
WITH or WITHOUT Him…

Preachers, Teachers, Parents, Family, Friends, Neighbors, Electronics, Podcasts from strangers…. And the whole mis-mash…IRRELEVANT…

God has already established…taught and prepared HIS Hebrew fathers to TEACH (under the guidance of HIS Lamb) the Tribes of Israel (who over the course of the last 2,000 years became wayward to the Teachings of Christ Jesus’ teaching).

Rev 14:
[1] And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
[4] These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

God has already established…prepared HIS holy Angel to TEACH the rest of the entire World (Jews, Gentiles, Male, Female (it thing humans), Old, Young)… The Gospel of Jesus Christ…Final Option for all of mankind to Accept or Reject.

Rev 14:
[6] And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

No excuses…ALL shall Hear…and have opportunity to Accept or Reject…and subject to the consequences thereafter for either choice.

Glory to God,
Taken

All will be taught of God…that is an interesting topic to me. For the longest time I thought this meant being taught of God is to understand all mysteries. But there is the passage that says even if we know all mysteries…even giving our body to be burned it is unprofitable, even having all faith to move mountains is unprofitable if we have not charity. I take that to mean if in all we say to we have been taught of God, if we don’t love our brother then the love of God is not in us. Which I take to mean the light is not in us, but instead darkness. It reminds me too of not knowing yet, what we ought to know. Even though we think we know everything.

How does God teach that we should love our brother and neighbor? I think of God turning them over to a reprobate mind …it sounds confusing in God handing them over to satan “that they might learn not to blasphemy the name of the Lord” even where Paul spoke on putting that which is evil, without the church … for the destruction Of the flesh, that the spirit might be saved. It sounds like satan or the reprobate mind is doing the teaching, that they might learn not to blasphemy the name of the Lord. but it is God that hands them over to be taught what not to do, that they might be saved out from what is not profitable to do.

My husband has been meditating a lot on Philemon. Where the servant was unto his master unprofitable in flesh and spirit. But if need be …Paul voicing maybe he (the servant) went away for a season, now returned above a servant, as a dearly beloved brother forever(no longer a servant). Then Paul says in the brother no longer being a servant but a dearly beloved brother he is profitable both in spirit and flesh unto you. To me that is the same as going away for a season as Jesus Christ told them to go make friends with the unrighteous mammon so that when it fails, “they will receive you into eternal habitations” as Philemon is being asked to receive the one who went a away for a season, to return no longer as “a servant” but as “a dearly beloved brother forever”.

Point is…not towards you but just thinking how we all can give our opinions on what is to be taught of God. My concern is even with myself I can think I understand but if I lack Love, do I yet understand what being tight of God is for? If I hate my brother, or neighbors…have I been taught of God or do I remain in darkness still???

 

[Karl Peters]

I have to say Brother, God has always spoken to my heart first and foremost.....then always check out what I believe the Spirit to be saying to my heart with scripture.

If what we speak out doesn’t line up with the written word, then it wasn’t from God....beware of those who only consult God by saying they only listen to his voice and never check what God says with the written word....personally I would ignore their posts..it’s not worth getting into any type of discussion with them.....as it just causes quarrelling.

I have many times seen where people write "If what we speak out doesn’t line up with the written word, then it wasn’t from God" -- but there is one very obvious problem with that statement and that His thoughts and ways are not ours - and that too is written!!!

Is 55:8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD.

If our thoughts were His thoughts, then perhaps we could read the Bible and know what it means without actually having to be taught by Him!! But that is not the case!!!

And have you not read:

Is 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the LORD,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They will be like wool.

And the ironic part of this is that the statement ""If what we speak out doesn’t line up with the written word, then it wasn’t from God" was made in the context of needing to be taught by God!! Which is also in the Bible!!!

Trying to line up our thinking with the Bible without actually listening to Him and His voice, being taught by Him, and reasoning with Him - is nothing less than just leaning on your own understanding!! And our understanding of God is by definition, our religion!! So religious people, like the Pharisees and Sadducees are the one who do that (become religious and thus lean on their own understanding of God). And they are in fact and deed the very ones who DON'T LINE UP WITH THE BIBLE!

They don't actually listen to Him, reason with Him, and so they don't actually learn from Him.

Oh yeah, He and His Holy Spirit who brings His words to you, line up with the Bible - or have you not read:

Heb 3:7-10 Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says,
“TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE,
DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS AS WHEN THEY PROVOKED ME,
AS IN THE DAY OF TRIAL IN THE WILDERNESS,
WHERE YOUR FATHERS TRIED Me BY TESTING Me,
AND SAW MY WORKS FOR FORTY YEARS.

“THEREFORE I WAS ANGRY WITH THIS GENERATION,
AND SAID, ‘THEY ALWAYS GO ASTRAY IN THEIR HEART,
AND THEY DID NOT KNOW MY WAYS’;

Do you not understand then that those not listening to Him Today, are the ones who He spoke of saying they "DID NOT KNOW MY WAYS"!!

Still, they go back to leaning on their own understanding of the Bible instead of seeking Him and His voice!!

There is a way to test the spirit, and it is not by leaning on your own understanding of the Scriptures, but it is seeking Him and making sure via the test, that it is Him!!

1 Jn 4:1-3Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

If you seek the voice of the Lord, you will find Him, but there are other spirits that we battle with, even those dark spiritual forces. So we test to make sure they confess that 'Jesus Christ has come in the flesh'! And has not the Teacher explained this to you?

So we don't test the spirits by leaning on our understanding of the Bible, but by testing them like the Bible actually tells us to do!!

Or have you not read:

Prov 3:5,6 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.

There are those religious people who are putting their trust in their understanding of the Bible, and then there are those who do not lean on their own understanding but seek Jesus Christ as the LORD OF LORD AND KING OF KINGS, and even the I AM - so they find Him and are taught by Him - and being taught of God means they hear from Him Today so that they know HIS WAYS!!!

Which brings us to WWJD!!

It has been a common thing in Christianity to say "What Would Jesus Do".

So what does Jesus Christ do?????

He does and says only what His Father tells Him - that is what He does!! So He does not lean on His own understanding, but is obedient to His Father to the point of not even saying, doing, or judging anything on His own. He always says, does, and judges just as His Father tells Him!!! At not time does He lean on His own understanding, even of the Scriptures though the Scriptures were written because He told men the things His Father told Him to, just like His Father told Him to.

That is why He is called the Word of God; because His Father gave Him the very words of God along with all else His Father has!!

So who do you believe in, yourself, or Him? Who do you listen to, yourself, or Him?

As for me, sadly I only hear from Him about a dozen times a day, and everyday called Today I hear from Him. But not for everything I say or do. So I understand why Paul the Christian man, wrote:

Rom 7:15 For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate.
and also
Rom 7:24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?

Saul the Pharisee of Pharisees, thought he did everything right - but Paul the man who heard from the Lord knew that fallacy of that thinking. So what of those writing, "If what we speak out doesn’t line up with the written word, then it wasn’t from God".

Even with only hearing from Him a dozen times during those days called "Today", I know they have not yet come to hear from Him like they should, because they don't know that we are supposed to be seeking Him, Jesus Christ our Lord!

 

[Ritajanice]

I have many times seen where people write "If what we speak out doesn’t line up with the written word, then it wasn’t from God" -- but there is one very obvious problem with that statement and that His thoughts and ways are not ours - and that too is written!!!

Is 55:8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD.

If our thoughts were His thoughts, then perhaps we could read the Bible and know what it means without actually having to be taught by Him!! But that is not the case!!!

And have you not read:

Is 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the LORD,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They will be like wool.

And the ironic part of this is that the statement ""If what we speak out doesn’t line up with the written word, then it wasn’t from God" was made in the context of needing to be taught by God!! Which is also in the Bible!!!

Trying to line up our thinking with the Bible without actually listening to Him and His voice, being taught by Him, and reasoning with Him - is nothing less than just leaning on your own understanding!! And our understanding of God is by definition, our religion!! So religious people, like the Pharisees and Sadducees are the one who do that (become religious and thus lean on their own understanding of God). And they are in fact and deed the very ones who DON'T LINE UP WITH THE BIBLE!

They don't actually listen to Him, reason with Him, and so they don't actually learn from Him.

Oh yeah, He and His Holy Spirit who brings His words to you, line up with the Bible - or have you not read:

Heb 3:7-10 Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says,
“TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE,
DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS AS WHEN THEY PROVOKED ME,
AS IN THE DAY OF TRIAL IN THE WILDERNESS,
WHERE YOUR FATHERS TRIED Me BY TESTING Me,
AND SAW MY WORKS FOR FORTY YEARS.

“THEREFORE I WAS ANGRY WITH THIS GENERATION,
AND SAID, ‘THEY ALWAYS GO ASTRAY IN THEIR HEART,
AND THEY DID NOT KNOW MY WAYS’;

Do you not understand then that those not listening to Him Today, are the ones who He spoke of saying they "DID NOT KNOW MY WAYS"!!

Still, they go back to leaning on their own understanding of the Bible instead of seeking Him and His voice!!

There is a way to test the spirit, and it is not by leaning on your own understanding of the Scriptures, but it is seeking Him and making sure via the test, that it is Him!!

1 Jn 4:1-3Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

If you seek the voice of the Lord, you will find Him, but there are other spirits that we battle with, even those dark spiritual forces. So we test to make sure they confess that 'Jesus Christ has come in the flesh'! And has not the Teacher explained this to you?

So we don't test the spirits by leaning on our understanding of the Bible, but by testing them like the Bible actually tells us to do!!

Or have you not read:

Prov 3:5,6 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.

There are those religious people who are putting their trust in their understanding of the Bible, and then there are those who do not lean on their own understanding but seek Jesus Christ as the LORD OF LORD AND KING OF KINGS, and even the I AM - so they find Him and are taught by Him - and being taught of God means they hear from Him Today so that they know HIS WAYS!!!

Which brings us to WWJD!!

It has been a common thing in Christianity to say "What Would Jesus Do".

So what does Jesus Christ do?????

He does and says only what His Father tells Him - that is what He does!! So He does not lean on His own understanding, but is obedient to His Father to the point of not even saying, doing, or judging anything on His own. He always says, does, and judges just as His Father tells Him!!! At not time does He lean on His own understanding, even of the Scriptures though the Scriptures were written because He told men the things His Father told Him to, just like His Father told Him to.

That is why He is called the Word of God; because His Father gave Him the very words of God along with all else His Father has!!

So who do you believe in, yourself, or Him? Who do you listen to, yourself, or Him?

As for me, sadly I only hear from Him about a dozen times a day, and everyday called Today I hear from Him. But not for everything I say or do. So I understand why Paul the Christian man, wrote:

Rom 7:15 For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate.
and also
Rom 7:24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?

Saul the Pharisee of Pharisees, thought he did everything right - but Paul the man who heard from the Lord knew that fallacy of that thinking. So what of those writing, "If what we speak out doesn’t line up with the written word, then it wasn’t from God".

Even with only hearing from Him a dozen times during those days called "Today", I know they have not yet come to hear from Him like they should, because they don't know that we are supposed to be seeking Him, Jesus Christ our Lord!

You can believe whatever you like my friend.

If what you say doesn’t line up with the word of God......then I would NEVER believe what you write/ say, EVER!.

With respect Karl...I suggest you take your own advice here.note the bold underlined part.

If you seek the voice of the Lord, you will find Him, but there are other spirits that we battle with, even those dark spiritual forces. So we test to make sure they confess that 'Jesus Christ has come in the flesh'! And has not the Teacher explained this to you?

Praise God for discernment and I wish you well on your journey with the Lord.

God Bless..no more from me.

 

[Karl Peters]

If indeed a person is taught by God (meaning the actually hear the Word or God and learn from Him) then one of the first things they will come to know and understand is that His thoughts are not our thoughts and His way are not our ways. And that includes His thoughts on the Bible too!!

What you do and find out; is that you start to reason with Him and you are proven wrong every time!!!!

Now He is extremely nice in the way He proves you wrong, that is for sure! And He loves helping you by proving you wrong and thus continually adjusting your thinking. And that is what we need. Yet the person who reads the Bible and tells themselves 'I know what it means' doesn't know what it means and is not learning from the Teacher!!!

And the extent of all that is so far beyond you, that as you get farther along in your relationship you come to understand what king Solomon was writing about in Ecclesiastes. With all his searching for Wisdom he found out that he could not hold on to it.

Ecc 1:17,18 And I set my mind to know wisdom and to know madness and folly; I realized that this also is striving after wind.
Because in much wisdom there is much grief, and increasing knowledge results in increasing pain.

So it was that I set my mind to know wisdom and madness and folly, and it turned out that Wisdom is a name for the Holy Spirit who bring us the words of God He gets from Jesus Christ. So that became a task of striving after the wind (The Holy Spirit), who told me to preach Jesus Christ and Him as the Word of God, that men you seek Him and listen to Him. So that became my task of obedience to God. And in so ding that task I found out how poor I was, even my best was at seek Him and listening to Him.

So the task of preaching the Word of God (meaning listening to Him) was a task of futility, because even I could only get myself a dozen times a day. And I found out that other people often thought I was crazy or boasting, because they did not even hear from Him that much. Therefore increasing knowledge resulted in increasing awareness of the depravity of people which leads to the pain we have, and that knowledge both, even to me, more pain.

Then you come to the awareness of:

Ecc 3:22 I have seen that nothing is better than that man should be happy in his activities, for that is his lot. For who will bring him to see what will occur after him?

So I became aware that there was nothing better for a man than he should be happy in his activities, but still the activity given for me to do by God was to tell people to listen to Him - and they will not listen to Him!! But how do you be happy when it seems that your task is not accomplishing what it should. The answer turned out to not worry about the results but always turn back to the Lord and listen to Him yourself, because He would then tell me "Karl, I love you", and encourage me with many other words. Therefore I tended to stop making it about my thinking, even my thinking about what my work for Him accomplished. That leads from seeking the approval of men to the approval of God, and He makes me happy.

Of course if He makes me happy, will He not then do that for everyone who seeks Him and His voice? Of course that is the case, and what He is up to. So telling people to actually seek Him and His words to them is the very best thing I can do for anyone, under any circumstances, at any time in this world. And by understanding that "I have seen that nothing is better than that man should be happy in his activates.

So it was like a circle of learning, where it was all meant for me when I made it about listening to Him, and making it about getting others to listen to Him. Still, who will listen? Maybe me a few times Today.

 

[Ritajanice]

everyone who is taught of GOD cometh to WHO . exactly .
and if their jesus contradicts the bible one you can bet they were not taught of GOD .
pretty simple indeed .

Amen!....Brother!

 

[amigo de christo]

Pe

Personally I don't turn to teachers. Nor do I turn to the bible. I only listen to the Spirit of God. Anyone or anything else can be a distraction from many. Infants in the body may require teachers to point them to the Spirit of Truth so that they they can hear directly from Him. We become followers of the Spirit of Christ Who leads us into truth whichever way and by whatever means He chooses.

And how do you know if the god you follow , the christ you follow , the spirit you follow
are OF GOD , CHRIST and THE SPIRIT .
For many say and make claim to follow GOD , to hear his voice
and yet the voice they seem to follow has led them DEEP into REBELLION against the VERY GOD they think they follow .
Satan is a slick one and he will feed that carnal mind of man and convince that CARNAL mind of man
its hearing from GOD .
HOW do you know . This is not an attack against you , it is but a real simple question .
For many cliam to hear and to follow GOD
and yet many omit and twist HIS own words , His own gospel , Omitting that which should never have been omitted
and follow another gospel , another jesus , another god , another spirit .
SO again i ask you , HOW do you know you are truly following THE ONE TRUE GOD , HIS SPIRIT .
a hint .
HIS SPIRIT will and would never CONTRADICT HIS WORDS , HIS GOSPEL , HIS TRUTH . that is HOW YE KNOW .
TEST the spirits and always test the spirits for many decievers do abound in these last hours upon earth .
And they do wear wool . Test them , BY what is written in the bible my friend .
Love and embrace and feast upon them lovely words , FOR GOD INSPIRED THEM and they are our meat
HIS SPIRIT guides and does lead his sheep . And remember HIS SHEEP Do not heed the voice
of a stranger no matter how much wool that stranger has decked up on the outside .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen!....Brother!

POINT TO JESUS THE CHRIST till the last breath leaves them lungs or THE LORD do come .

 

[amigo de christo]

You can believe whatever you like my friend.

If what you say doesn’t line up with the word of God......then I would NEVER believe what you write/ say, EVER!.

With respect Karl...I suggest you take your own advice here.note the bold underlined part.

If you seek the voice of the Lord, you will find Him, but there are other spirits that we battle with, even those dark spiritual forces. So we test to make sure they confess that 'Jesus Christ has come in the flesh'! And has not the Teacher explained this to you?

Praise God for discernment and I wish you well on your journey with the Lord.

God Bless..no more from me.

AMEN SISTER . make that STAND UPON THE GLORIOUS LORD . HIS words are our meat and by His words
we do test all men . The great shepard goes before HIS SHEEP and they follow HIM .
March onwards in the glorious LORD dear sister .

 

[Karl Peters]

You can believe whatever you like my friend.

If what you say doesn’t line up with the word of God......then I would NEVER believe what you write/ say, EVER!.

With respect Karl...I suggest you take your own advice here.note the bold underlined part.

If you seek the voice of the Lord, you will find Him, but there are other spirits that we battle with, even those dark spiritual forces. So we test to make sure they confess that 'Jesus Christ has come in the flesh'! And has not the Teacher explained this to you?

Praise God for discernment and I wish you well on your journey with the Lord.

God Bless..no more from me.

Yes, of course there are other spirits, but you test them per the test in the Bible (1 Jn 4:1-4) and not by leaning on your own understanding!!

And did you not read that if you ask for a fish He will not give you a snake, will He?

So instead of asking for Jesus Christ, who the early Christian used the image of a fish to represent, you fear the devil instead of God!! So you think that if you seek Jesus Christ you will get the devil!! That is not true and not according to the Bible!!

So you say "Bible, Bible, Bible", but your leaning on your own understanding of it has lead you to the devil, just like the Pharisees Jesus had to deal with. You are not seeking Him by faith, but by disbelief you read the Bible!

So you not even know that there are more with you than against you?

If you do come to know the KING OF KINGS, you will come to know His Kingdom and what and what all He has watching over you! Or have you not read:

Ps 91 He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High
Will abide in the shadow of the Almighty........

...... You will not be afraid of the terror by night,
Or of the arrow that flies by day;....

...... For you have made the LORD, my refuge,
Even the Most High, your dwelling place.
No evil will befall you,
Nor will any plague come near your tent
For He will give His angels charge concerning you,
To guard you in all your ways.....

..... “He will call upon Me, and I will answer him;
I will be with him in trouble;
I will rescue him and honor him.

If you truly knew Him you would understand Ps 91! You would not only be aware of the enemy but the KING OF KINGS and so His Kingdom also! You would understand that He answers you, rescues you, and had His angles watching over you!! You then would not only know Him but His Holy Angels too and how they also have been charged concerning you. At best you are like the servant who could only see the enemy and not the chariots of fire.

2 Kings 15-17 Now when the attendant of the man of God had risen early and gone out, behold, an army with horses and chariots was circling the city. And his servant said to him, “Alas, my master! What shall we do?”
So he answered, “Do not fear, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them.”
Then Elisha prayed and said, “O LORD, I pray, open his eyes that he may see.” And the LORD opened the servant’s eyes and he saw; and behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.

YES YES YES =- there is an enemy, even dark spiritual forces that we battle with, but how is it you do not understand that we are sons and daughters of the Most High God, even the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, and there are not only more with us, but they are far more powerful also. Did you not even read where Jesus came preaching the Kingdom of God and how God also goes by the name "I AM"???

And have you not yet be taught that all power and authority comes from God and has been given to God the Son, Jesus Christ who is always with us?

You say "Bible" yet seem to know nothing about what it is supposed to lead us to!!

The Bible is there to point us to Jesus Christ THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OR LORDS whose name is called "The Word of God," because He has the words of God for us personally, and is the I AM because He is always with us to be heard from. And so it was that Paul asked:

Gal 3:2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

And the command from heaven was:

Deaut 18:15 “The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him.

and

mat 17:5 “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!”

But you don't seek Him, so you don't find Him - did you not read:

Deut 4:29 “But from there you will seek the LORD your God, and you will find Him if you search for Him with all your heart and all your soul.

So do you believe the Bible is right? Do you believe 'you will find Him" if you seek Him. And did you not even notice that I used Scriptures to reprove you??

The Holy Spirit once told me, "We don't use the Lord to preach the Scriptures, we use the Scriptures to preach the Lord." Yet you are saying we have to lean on our understanding of the Bible to test the Lord!! You fear the devil instead of just testing to make sure it is the Lord, like commanded. You don't seek Him and listen to Him like commanded, but think that is a person seeks Him they won't find Him. That is where you faith is at, and have you not also read:

Mat 9:29 Then He touched their eyes, saying, “It shall be done to you according to your faith.”

So according to your faith you look to the enemy, like the attendant of the prophet, instead of looking to the mountain and the heavenly hosts around all, which are lead by the King. And so you have need to have your eye open to the Kingdom of God!!

 

[amigo de christo]

Ritajanice , after reading what another wrote to you
my advice is , YOU JUST STAY THE COURSE YOU ARE ON SISTER and lets not heed that man .
rather pray for him , but heed him not . As though we are doing what he thinks and cliams we are doing .
He is clearly not grasping what we say sister .