AN OPEN LETTER TO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

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Aunty Jane

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They attack the very person of Jesus. The God-man.
They need to be run out of this Christian forum.
Watchtower is in fact the antichrist spirit.
I already showed them where it had to be God on the cross.
Remove that, and all salvation is cast down.
They are a literal cancer in the realm of the spirit...leading men away from our beautiful savior.
They are beyond sick.
Oh good grief…listen to you Mr high and mighty…..be careful that you are not judged as you judge us…..(1 Cor 10:12)…..we don’t see things the way as you see them, but we just allow you to believe as you wish, because God does. His appointed judge will make the decision as to who it is that teaches his Father’s truth….or not. No one has anything to fear from the truth.
We can let Jesus be our judge without the lynch mob….you really are a piece of work…..it’s hot heads like you who should be run out of town…..you are afraid of the truth because you cannot refute a single thing we say, and how dare anyone disagree with what you have been taught to believe!…..you have showed us nothing but what you want to believe…..

It is clear that you have no understanding of how redemption works….the very reason why God cannot redeem us personally, and why he had to “send” someone who could.

Have a nice day……
 

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Oh good grief…listen to you Mr high and mighty…..be careful that you are not judged as you judge us…..(1 Cor 10:12)…..we don’t see things the way as you see them, but we just allow you to believe as you wish, because God does. His appointed judge will make the decision as to who it is that teaches his Father’s truth….or not. No one has anything to fear from the truth.
We can let Jesus be our judge without the lynch mob….you really are a piece of work…..it’s hot heads like you who should be run out of town…..you are afraid of the truth because you cannot refute a single thing we say, and how dare anyone disagree with what you have been taught to believe!…..you have showed us nothing but what you want to believe…..

It is clear that you have no understanding of how redemption works….the very reason why God cannot redeem us personally, and why he had to “send” someone who could.

Have a nice day……
Every single cult denies the deity of Jesus.
Your watchtower cult is no different.
You deny Jesus and forbid worshipping Him.
Jehova Calls him God in Hebrews 1 and COMMANDS HIS WORSHIP.
John 10:18
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Funny how you accuse anyone of not understanding salvation, when you deny the savior and think you are saved by knocking on doors.

You are here for one reason.
To deceive gullible unlearned believers.
 

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Every single cult denies the deity of Jesus.
Your watchtower cult is no different.
You deny Jesus and forbid worshipping Him.
Jehova Calls him God in Hebrews 1 and COMMANDS HIS WORSHIP.
John 10:18
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Can you read? Hebrews 1 commands no such thing. No one was ever told to worship Jesus as I have shown you from scripture. The word does not mean in the original language what it means in English. Original language word studies reveal a lot if you put in the effort….but I see no effort on your part at all.

John 10:18 you say? Read it again…..Christ willingly laid down his life in full knowledge of the fact that he would be resurrected by his Father. His God was the one who supplied the power to restore his life.
The son did not raise himself….and more than he caused his own birth.

Funny how you accuse anyone of not understanding salvation, when you deny the savior and think you are saved by knocking on doors.
We are not saved by works of any kind….but we are not saved without them either. This is what James tells us…
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. . . . .24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only . . . . 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also”. (James 2:18, 24, 26 KJV) Faith is proven by works.
Guess you don’t think you have to have any…..?
You are here for one reason.
To deceive gullible unlearned believers.
I am here for the same reason that others are, to hopefully discuss Bible topics in a civil manner without all the childishness and name calling that you repeatedly display.

Do you believe Jesus? Look what he said in John 6:44, 65…..
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him. . . .65 …Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.”

So your song and dance is unnecessary because if those drawn by the Father are the only ones who can come to the son, neither you or I can stop them…..”O yea of little faith”.
 

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They attack the very person of Jesus. The God-man.
They need to be run out of this Christian forum.
Watchtower is in fact the antichrist spirit.
I already showed them where it had to be God on the cross.
Remove that, and all salvation is cast down.
They are a literal cancer in the realm of the spirit...leading men away from our beautiful savior.
They are beyond sick.
Maybe we can pull some JW's from the fire.

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,
 
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Can you read? Hebrews 1 commands no such thing. No one was ever told to worship Jesus as I have shown you from scripture. The word does not mean in the original language what it means in English. Original language word studies reveal a lot if you put in the effort….but I see no effort on your part at all.

John 10:18 you say? Read it again…..Christ willingly laid down his life in full knowledge of the fact that he would be resurrected by his Father. His God was the one who supplied the power to restore his life.
The son did not raise himself….and more than he caused his own birth.


We are not saved by works of any kind….but we are not saved without them either. This is what James tells us…
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. . . . .24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only . . . . 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also”. (James 2:18, 24, 26 KJV) Faith is proven by works.
Guess you don’t think you have to have any…..?

I am here for the same reason that others are, to hopefully discuss Bible topics in a civil manner without all the childishness and name calling that you repeatedly display.

Do you believe Jesus? Look what he said in John 6:44, 65…..
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him. . . .65 …Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.”

So your song and dance is unnecessary because if those drawn by the Father are the only ones who can come to the son, neither you or I can stop them…..”O yea of little faith”.
By denying Jesus the Father denies you.
Nobody comes into salvation by another door.
Only those who belong to and worship Jesus.
Salvation is a gift.
You can accept Jesus or deny Him.
You dance around that with great zeal.
So your choice is obvious.
It is your choice.
You chose hell.

Quote..." neither you or I can stop them"
You are blinded to salvation and are here to promote a Christless salvation.
Hopefully people like you are hindered from leading people to hell
 
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Can you read? Hebrews 1 commands no such thing. No one was ever told to worship Jesus as I have shown you from scripture. The word does not mean in the original language what it means in English. Original language word studies reveal a lot if you put in the effort….but I see no effort on your part at all.

John 10:18 you say? Read it again…..Christ willingly laid down his life in full knowledge of the fact that he would be resurrected by his Father. His God was the one who supplied the power to restore his life.
The son did not raise himself….and more than he caused his own birth.


We are not saved by works of any kind….but we are not saved without them either. This is what James tells us…
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. . . . .24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only . . . . 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also”. (James 2:18, 24, 26 KJV) Faith is proven by works.
Guess you don’t think you have to have any…..?

I am here for the same reason that others are, to hopefully discuss Bible topics in a civil manner without all the childishness and name calling that you repeatedly display.

Do you believe Jesus? Look what he said in John 6:44, 65…..
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him. . . .65 …Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.”

So your song and dance is unnecessary because if those drawn by the Father are the only ones who can come to the son, neither you or I can stop them…..”O yea of little faith”.
Hebrews 1
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God WORSHIP HIM.

Your watchtower lies has Jesus as a created being. Now we have through your watchtower lies , Jehovah commanding angels to worship a created being.
How bogus your religion is.

You really think lying helps your false lying religion??????

Run this verse through your watchtower meat grinder;
Hebrews 1
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
YES YOU ARE BUSTED. YOUR LIES EXPOSED.
Your religion is so busted as false and pure lies.
The deity of Jesus is so obvious a child can see it.
No other entity could die and resurrect himself.
NOBODY.
JESUS said "destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up"
God on the cross.

John 10:18
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
AGAIN...God on the cross.

Jesus said " I am the resurrection"

Run that through your watchtower butchery department workbook
Ahem..denying Jesus testimony is your cunning false specialty huh????
Go ahead , put on public display your false religion.
They gave you a platform for your antichrist watchtower lies.
 
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By denying Jesus the Father denies you.
We do not deny Jesus any more than Jesus denied his Father…..we understand the difference between the two….there is no three. (John 17:3)
Nobody comes into salvation by another door.
True, but first we have to understand what salvation depends upon……John 17:3…
”And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”
We have to “know” who it is that we are worshipping…..there is only one who is worshipped, and that is the one Jesus himself addressed as “my God” even after his return to heaven. (John 20:17; Rev 3:12)
Only those who belong to and worship Jesus.
There is no command to “worship” Jesus because that belongs exclusively to Jehovah. (Luke 4:5-8) Jesus was a man and no Jew would ever blaspheme God by bowing down to a man in worship. The word translated “worship” in Greek as well as Hebrew has already been explained to you….it is “obeisance”….but it falls on deaf ears because you don’t want to believe what your own Bible says. Look it up for yourself….see what the word means in the original language.
Salvation is a gift.
It most definitely is….no one can earn it……but that does not mean that we don’t need to qualify for it by our obedience to all of Christs teachings.
You can accept Jesus or deny Him.
We do not deny him, but accept him as the “son of God” which is all he ever called himself. (John 10:31-36)
Please show us any verse of Scripture where Jesus confesses to being God incarnate. If this is true then you should have no difficulty providing a clear statement from either Jehovah or his son about such an important foundational belief….no suggestions or implying such in ambiguous verses, but a clear unequivocal statement.
You dance around that with great zeal.
I tell the truth, which requires no dancing or scriptural gymnastics, unlike the vaguely based doctrines you choose to believe.…the tap dancing that follows is a sight to behold, trying to avoid the many contradictions.
So your choice is obvious.
It is your choice.
You chose hell.
Your choices are obvious too but in all instances lack evidence for authenticity.
You have no comprehension of what the Bible teaches at all…..you are so immersed in “church doctrine” that you fail to recognize it’s origins. None of what you believe about “hell” has any bearing on what Jesus taught or what Jews believed about death and resurrection. That is a pity because you will find out soon enough that you have put your faith in the the teachings of the “weeds”, not the “wheat”.
If what you believe has majority support, then that in itself is proof that you are on the wrong road…..it is the hated “few” who teach the truth. (Matt 7:13-14; John 15:18-21) Are you just one of the haters?
Quote..." neither you or I can stop them"
You are blinded to salvation and are here to promote a Christless salvation.
On the contrary, that is what you have been led to believe…..and I used to believe that too when I was raised in Christendom, but I studied the Bible for myself….my little old KJV that my grandmother gave me when I was 10 years old (I still have it) and I found no multiple personality god, no immortal souls, no hellfire and no heaven as the only destination for Christians…..I was appalled that my church had not taught me the truth in any subject. Jesus lived and died a Jew, and he and his apostles (who were all Jewish) taught from Jewish Scripture (2 Tim 3:16-17).….the Jews did not believe any of those things.
Hopefully people like you are hindered from leading people to hell
Hopefully people such as yourself will see that “hell” is simply the common grave of all mankind and that we all go to this “hell” (hades). God has no need or desire to torture anyone.…..there is no immortal soul to be punished after death (Eccl 9:5,10) and no eternal fire to roast them in…..these concepts were all borrowed from pagan religions.

”Gehenna” is not that “hell” either…..but is a place where the wicked and disobedient ones vanish from existence forever. There was only ever “life and death”……never was there “heaven and hell” as opposite destinations for God’s worshippers. You do not know Jehovah at all if you believe those lies.
 

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Well, since you asked…..
Hebrews 1

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God WORSHIP HIM.
The word in both Hebrew and Greek means to “bow down to someone of superior rank, in respect” but not necessarily worship. Only when applied to Jehovah is it “worship”….but I do not recall God ever requiring anyone to bow down to him in worship. We see Muslims do that, but Jews do not, and neither do Christians.
Your watchtower lies has Jesus as a created being. Now we have through your watchtower lies , Jehovah commanding angels to worship a created being.
How bogus your religion is.
Since Jesus himself confessed to being ‘created’, I will take his word over yours.
Rev 3:14….Jesus identifies himself….
”And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God”. (KJV)

He is “the Amen”….the “so be it” of God’s whole purpose for mankind. He is “the faithful and true witness” of his Father…and he is “the beginning of the creation of God”….now, how would you like to twist his words to suggest what you believe?
Colossians 1:15 calls Jesus…”the firstborn of every creature” (KJV) If he is the firstborn of every creature….that makes him a unique creation, as his Father’s “firstborn”…..verse 17 says that he is “before all things”, so it’s not referring to his human birth but his “birth” as God’s first “son”. God has many “sons”, but none like his “firstborn”.…who is the one and only direct creation of his Father….all other creation came through the agency of the son.
You really think lying helps your false lying religion??????
Well, since you have not proven that I have offered you a single lie….it is obvious that one of us does not believe the Bible….I don’t believe that you have ever put in any effort to study it for yourself because all you can do is parrot off Christendom’s party line. There is no evidence that you have ever done any real Bible study.
Your pathetic attempts to refute what the the Bible really teaches is not winning you any brownie points here…..vitriol is not a nice trait in anyone. Insults never proved anyone right.
Run this verse through your watchtower meat grinder;
Hebrews 1
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
YES YOU ARE BUSTED. YOUR LIES EXPOSED.
Your religion is so busted as false and pure lies.
The deity of Jesus is so obvious a child can see it.
No other entity could die and resurrect himself.
NOBODY.
JESUS said "destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up"
God on the cross.
Oh please….one of us is being exposed as promoting lies and those interested in what the Bible says rather than blindly following “church” doctrine, will see the disparity in your claims. You can huff and puff all you like but you simply don’t have the knowledge to defend what you want to believe.

Firstly, Jesus did not resurrect himself…..his Father did.

Acts 2:29-33..
”Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.(KJV)

It was prophesied that Christ’s body was not going to be left to decompose in his “grave” which is “hades” (erroneously translated as “hell”)…..the Jews were never taught about a burning hell. The word in Hebrew is “Sheol” which is translated as “grave” in the Hebrew Interlinear. You see how far back these lies go?
You rely on an old and flawed English translation that now his whiskers on it.

Secondly, it was God who raised Jesus from the dead….because Jesus was actually dead.
As “the second Adam”, he had to die the same death as the one who lost everlasting life for all his children…..if Jesus was the eternal and immortal God then he could not die….and mankind are therefore not redeemed out of sin and death.
You have swallowed all the lies that are ancient and promoted for centuries by an apostate church system, who today are more misled than ever.……do some study. God is not the author of confusion.

John 10:18
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
AGAIN...God on the cross.
The power to take it up again was provided by his God and Father…..”received of my Father”…..
There was no God on the cross…..because God cannot die….nor did Jesus have to be deity to save mankind. All he needed to be was “sinless”….the exact equivalent of Adam.
Jesus said " I am the resurrection"
Perhaps quoting the whole passage in context might explain this statement rather than assuming that this snatch tells us the whole story…..

This is the account about the resurrection of Lazarus…..from John ch11.
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live”.

So what is the “resurrection on the last day” that Jews believed in? It’s not the tripping off to heaven as an immortal soul that the churches teach…it’s something completely different.
Jesus is the one who is given the power to resurrect the dead (John 5:28-29)…..but to understand the resurrection about which he spoke to Martha, you have to know what a resurrection means in relation to the one he performed on Lazarus……where was Lazarus when Jesus raised him?
If Lazarus had gone to heaven, what was achieved by bringing him back to this life only to die again later?
Can you give us a coherent answer?

Run that through your watchtower butchery department workbook
Ahem..denying Jesus testimony is your cunning false specialty huh????
Go ahead , put on public display your false religion.
They gave you a platform for your antichrist watchtower lies.
For goodness sake, climb down off your high horse and listen for a change…..entertain the fact that you have been handed a bill of rotten good by an apostate church created by the devil, centuries ago. Jesus foretold it……so nothing you believe, that is taught by that “church” system, is true.

The platform that I stand on has been proven to me by allowing myself to study the Bible with an open mind and heart….something I did not have before.
Now put yourself back in the first century as a devout Jew, and tell me who you would have believed? The majority who accepted what the Pharisees taught and that condemned any who dared to question their teachings….or would you have listened to the hated minority who were following a man that the Jews believed was of the devil, and trying to subvert the faith of the Jewish people…..strong on tradition, but short on Bible knowledge.…short on a bunch of other things as well….(Matt 7:13-14)
The devil has no new tricks because the old ones still work so well on people like you…..

The ones who put Christ to death were so sure of their position that they cursed themselves and their children with his blood. (Matt 27:25) Are you doing the same thing?
 
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The word in both Hebrew and Greek means to “bow down to someone of superior rank, in respect” but not necessarily worship. Only when applied to Jehovah is it “worship”….but I do not recall God ever requiring anyone to bow down to him in worship. We see Muslims do that, but Jews do not, and neither do Christians.

It's called translation bias nothing more. You believe that the Word who became flesh was a created angel, so the same Greek word is translated as worship when the Father is in view, but obesiance when it's His Son.
Your own KIT says that they translated words the same.
KIT pg 10 (1985)
"For each major word we have assigned ONE meaning and held to that meaning as far as the context permitted."

That's a lie. it's theological bias that caused then to translate that word in a biased way, nothing more. The only conxtext they used is their preconceived bias!
If there is a way to lower Jesus the watchtower will seek til they find it! You guys go out of your way to lower Him. It never ceases to amaze me. It doesnt matter if they quote a spiritist, a satanist, an atheist as long as they agree with them! Unreal.

….but I do not recall God ever requiring anyone to bow down to him in worship. We see Muslims do that, but Jews do not, and neither do Christians.
Try PSALM 95:6

O come, let us worship and bow down;

let us kneel before YHWH our Maker.

For He is our God,

and we are the people of His pasture,

the sheep under His care.

Today, if you hear His voice,

do not harden your hearts..


;)

Feel free to have the last word, Jane. I have spoken my peace. I am fully aware that Jws love to argue until the cows come home. I used to do that as well, but have since learned that it's a waste of precious time.
 
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It's called translation bias nothing more. You believe that the Word who became flesh was a created angel, so the same Greek word is translated as worship when the Father is in view, but obesiance when it's His Son.
Your own KIT says that they translated words the same.
We believe that Jesus is what and who HE says he is…..
Rev 3:14…”
“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this“ (NASB)

Jesus is speaking here and is identifying himself as “The Amen” (all biblical reference to him is “so be it”… as good as done) He is also “the faithful and true witness” making him the foremost Witness of Jehovah, and lastly he states that he is “the Beginning of the creation of God”…so I have his own unequivocal statement….which agrees with Col 1:15 in which Jesus is called “the firstborn of all creation” which makes him part of that creation. There is only one doctrine that argues with Jesus…and it is something that Jesus himself never said. You know what that is….
KIT pg 10 (1985)
??? no idea what that is…..1985? We’ve learned a lot since then but to take it at face value…..
"For each major word we have assigned ONE meaning and held to that meaning as far as the context permitted."

That's a lie. it's theological bias that caused then to translate that word in a biased way, nothing more. The only conxtext they used is their preconceived bias!
Sorry, but it is your own translation bias that leads people to believe what Jesus never said….
If there is a way to lower Jesus the watchtower will seek til they find it! You guys go out of your way to lower Him. It never ceases to amaze me. It doesnt matter if they quote a spiritist, a satanist, an atheist as long as they agree with them! Unreal.
What is “unreal” is the way Chistendom elevates him to a status he never once admitted to. You seem to have no idea what Jesus meant when he stated the following…..

”Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” (John 17:1-5 NASB)

We have to know exactly what Jesus meant when he made that statement.
Try PSALM 95:6

O come, let us worship and bow down;

let us kneel before YHWH our Maker.

For He is our God,

and we are the people of His pasture,

the sheep under His care.

Today, if you hear His voice,

do not harden your hearts..
If you read the explanation (in the KIT 1985, whatever that is) you will see what you were hoping to overlook…..
“"For each major word we have assigned ONE meaning and held to that meaning as far as the context permitted."
You know what context is…right? It’s the thing that determines how something ambiguous is to be translated…..the fact that “proskyneo” is one word, with different meanings, it has to be context that determines the correct translation.
Proskyneo when rendered to God is worship, but when rendered to a man is obeisance…..Jesus was a man.
Angels do not worship anyone but the Father .
Feel free to have the last word, Jane. I have spoken my peace. I am fully aware that Jws love to argue until the cows come home. I used to do that as well, but have since learned that it's a waste of precious time.
For the sake of clarity….I did. Thank you. The cows always come home , but sometimes people mistake them for goats.
 
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"The LORD Jehovah" (Yahweh) was the monotheistic God of Israel, and he was known to them as a single entity, not a multiple personality of three gods in one head. There is no such god except the pretender who led mankind into sin in the first place. Triads of gods are found in paganism, but never mentioned in the Bible.

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This is an oldy from the Jw anti- trinity brochure huh? I was sure that is old light by now especially with all that's been exposed as utter deception in it.

I'm ashamed of you Jane. This is non- sensical rubbish. Jws always pointing fingers- the instigators.- the accusers. Then you have the audacity to turn around and claim persecutio. LOL.

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There ya go, did you notice the pagan 1 headed god or how about the doubles, how is 4?! We could go on all night with this infantile comparison. There is no end to counting pagan gods. Hope you can see how ridiculous this is.

If not, consider that pagan religions had virgin births, baptism and resurrections, etc too. Does that mean Christianity is pagan?
Nuff said on this.
 

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@PS95 I’m sure you think that this is some kind of ‘gotcha’ moment….but I have been a JW for over 50 years and do not recall seeing anything like these in any brochure we have published…..may I ask where you copied them from? Please provide a link.

Perhaps you should be ashamed for publishing something that does not pertain to anything we believe?

Obviously we do not believe that all false gods have three heads….if that is what you are implying….no matter how many “heads” a god may have, one or fifty…..if he or she is not Jehovah then they are false. That is what we believe.

Fact checking is a good idea…..

The tomb of Charles Russell carries ideas and symbols that in our early development were thought to be pertinent to things related to the Bible….we no longer believe such things although those who still follow Russell carry over his errors….we discarded them long ago and constantly revise what further and deeper study reveals.
Unlike Christendom, and those who continued to follow Russell, we are not stuck in the past with no way to move forward. Revelation of truth has always been progressive. We adapt and study, and adapt again as new light is cast on old subjects. (Prov 4:18 ) This is what continual study provides….new facets to an old gem. We make no apology for that…..

Apparently you have no desire for civil discussion, but are content with Christendom’s three headed god, invented by the RCC centuries ago…..are you still stuck with Christendom’s oldies? That is your choice.

Nuff said…..
 
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They attack the very person of Jesus. The God-man.
If Jesus is your God (as He is for most of Christendom),
then why isn’t Christendom obedient to Him? They’ve been killing their brothers since their inception, since Constantine the Great.

Yet our Savior Jesus said, “ I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples if you have love among yourselves..” — John 13:34,35. See John 15:12

See, the thing is, when you’re obedient to God, He gives you His spirit; and the fruitage of that spirit is “love,… peace,… kindness, goodness,… mildness.” (Galatians 5:22,23) These qualities are the result of having His blessing, and are especially evident during difficult times, like during wars & conflicts.

But time and again, rather than being representatives of the Prince of Peace, Christendom has joined in the wars of the nations!!
Christ told His followers to be “not of / no part of this world” (John 15:19 ; James 4:4); yet most of Christendom has chosen to ignore Christ.
He’s their God? He’s gonna say “Away from me, you workers of evil.” — Matthew 7:22,23

(Really, what greater “evil” could be done to a person, than taking away their own life?)

This is one reason why Jehovah says “‘Get out from among them, My people, separate yourselves…. Touch nothing unclean.” — 2 Corinthians 6:17

I hope you heed the advice.
 
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I'm ashamed of you Jane. This is non- sensical rubbish. Jws always pointing fingers- the instigators.- the accusers. Then you have the audacity to turn around and claim persecutio. LOL.
And the title of this thread is addressed to whom?

It’s not funny, it’s sad.
 
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I believe Satan deceives ALL of us, from one extent to another. The most deceived is, of course, the unbeliever.
Well, Revelation 12:9 does say the Devil “is misleading the entire inhabited earth”, but the extent of his deception wouldn’t be just religious… it encompasses every field of knowledge that exists, which would include history, science, etc.

Spiritual truth only comes from one Source, as Jesus said at Luke 10:21

When God’s Kingdom rules this Earth (Matthew 6:9,10), then all mankind (including the resurrected dead), will learn all the information that has ever been hidden!

No more questions like, “Were the Israelites in Egypt?” “Was there a global Flood?” “How were the Pyramids built?” Etc., etc.
It will all become known.

(“Who killed Jimmy Hoffa?” Lol. (I thought I’d just throw that in there. But really, it will all be uncovered.))
 
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And the title of this thread is addressed to whom?

It’s not funny, it’s sad.
Hello HC,
I agree. Make no mistake, it is extremely sad.
Jws constantly look for "persecution". They attack Christianity while bringing their new false gospel. When we defend the true gospel and expose your lies you are being persecuted! LOL.
Do you hear about the Christians all over the globe (Iraq, Iran, India, Africa etc) being killed for their faith? NO, you have no clue! The media doesn't cover when Christians are slaughtered. Or how about when Christians in the USA are jailed or fired for praying outside abortion clinics or for standing up against immoralities?
Surprise surprise. That is persecution.

EXPOSING your false teachings IS NOT PERSECUTION.
Do you consider it persecution of Christians when YOU expose what you see as false? No never. Kettle meet pot.
 

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I’m sure you think that this is some kind of ‘gotcha’ moment….but I have been a JW for over 50 years and do not recall seeing anything like these in any brochure we have published…..may I ask where you copied them from? Please provide
Perhaps you should be ashamed for publishing something that does not pertain to anything we believe?
You sound confused. Surely, as a 50+ yr JW ( you were a young convert) you have read the utterly ridiculous depictions of 3 headed gods in their "Should you believe in the trinity" brochure! You have used that very tactic showing 3 headed pics on here too!
I have a copy of that brochure. It's pathetic and chock full of deception, but I must admit that those tactics were and are successful. Deceit is rarely easy to spot.
My response was to show you that pagans had many beliefs including a 1 headed god and a 4, ,5, 6, 2, 9..it's endless, which makes the Jw and your point infantile. I hope that clears up your confusion.


The tomb of Charles Russell carries ideas and symbols that in our early development were thought to be pertinent to things related to the Bible….we no longer believe such things although those who still follow Russell carry over his errors….we discarded them long ago and constantly revise what further and deeper study reveals.
Unlike Christendom, and those who continued to follow Russell, we are not stuck in the past with no way to move forward. Revelation of truth has always been progressive. We adapt and study, and adapt again as new light is cast on old subjects. (Prov 4:18 ) This is what continual study provides….new facets to an old gem. We make no apology for that…..
I dont know how you can state that with a straight face. You still follow Russell's 1874 ooops I mean, 1914 teaching of his pyramid measurements! It's the foundation of your teachings!!
I have noticed that the fake judge Rutherford is king of the heap now. 1925 end of the world! He was a drunken charlatan who closed heaven in 1935 which divided believers and robbed them of Christ! You would have had less heresy than you do now if you had stayed with Russell!
I should do a thread on Mr Rutherford. You will learn things you never knew.

I am fully aware of how they abuse Prov 4:18! Is that why they distance themselves from Russell? He said new light should never contradict old light. He's was right. It's an utter disgrace to portray "food" from Jehovah that must be believed and taught to others and then boom- to the total opposite. He does not feed lies to His children, ever!
 

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Aunty Jane ??? no idea what that is…..1985? We’ve learned a lot since then but to take it at face value…..
You don't know what the KIT is? it's your kingdom interlinear! What does 1985 have to do with it/ How many do they have? lol I have 69 and 85. Has that lying declaration now been removed in yet another new edition? Or are you like family members who are afraid to use the KIT now because they were told it will CONFUSE them. An interlinear, really now? Only if you are hiding things.
 

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You sound confused. Surely, as a 50+ yr JW ( you were a young convert) you have read the utterly ridiculous depictions of 3 headed gods in their "Should you believe in the trinity" brochure! You have used that very tactic showing 3 headed pics on here too!
I was in my early twenties, raised in the Anglican church. I had no idea what the Bible taught until it was opened up to me in a way that opened my eyes to the lies taught by a church that had its origins in Roman Catholicism…..do some research on King Henry the Vlll.…..all of Christendom’s churches inherited their foundational beliefs from one source……the Roman Catholic church.

Triads of gods are nothing new, but all originated in paganism……you knew that, right? The Jews did not worship a god with a split personality (Deut 6:4)…..that is actually defined as a mental illness. If we are made in God’s image, then that would be a godly trait. Split personalities always come from childhood trauma.
I have a copy of that brochure. It's pathetic and chock full of deception, but I must admit that those tactics were and are successful. Deceit is rarely easy to spot.
What’s pathetic is that your own indoctrination cannot allow you to see past it.
As you rightly say…”deceit is rarely easy to spot”…..do you see yourself as immune to that statement?
What if the deceit you adhere to is old and has been ingrained for centuries…? Would you know?
Jesus and his apostles foretold that an apostasy would take over the church…..it was beginning in the first century….yet Christendom pretends that it never happened.
My response was to show you that pagans had many beliefs including a 1 headed god and a 4, ,5, 6, 2, 9..it's endless, which makes the Jw and your point infantile. I hope that clears up your confusion.
Since that has no bearing on what we believe at all….(as if the number of “heads” has any bearing at all in this issue)……and being that Christendom’s god specifically, has “three heads”….the only infantile person in this conversation is the one spouting things that are not true.

I have the hope of clearing up your confusion….I’m not confident though. I have been on your side of the fence and I am so happy to have jumped it. To see people still stuck over there is why it is the duty of genuine Christians to point out that ‘majority rules’ does not apply to Christianity. (Matt 7:13-14) There is a reason why “few” will be found on the road to life.
 
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