Amigo's Question and Answer Thread

[amigo de christo]

The church and the assembly were in the wilderness together. The church were the Jewish people who believed God and it was counted to them as righteousness. The assembly was the rebellious Jewish people that hated God and "sought it not by faith"

The only difference between Old Testament Christians and New Testament Christian is in the name they were called and whether they are looking forward to the cross or looking back at the cross. Either way both are saved by grace through faith by the blood of the Lamb.

JESUS made mention of something like this my friend .
As did paul .
They , the sheep did not heed the voice of the hirelings even way back then .
and they , the jews who had real faith had faith in THIS COMING SAVOIR who would save ISRAEL .
now that was JESUS who had not yet come , but by faith they look for him .
MANY prophets and many Kings have DESIRED TO SEE what you see and did not see it .
Their was indeed a remnant in Israel who had throughout the generations
sought the coming MESSIAH , these died IN faith having not recieved the PROMISE
As for us WE KNOW HE DID COME and now we await HIS coming again and look forward
too HIS PROMISE that HE would return .
The gospel itself was actually preached unto abraham . EVEN PAUL makes mention of this very thing .
AND JESUS made mention of this
ABRAHAM REJOICED TO SEE MY DAY , HE SAW IT , HE SAW IT and was GLAD .
THE SEED . the promise given to the Fathers , IT WAS ALL ABOUT JESUS THE CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

It is more than “Christ was in the church in the wilderness “ but that is the verse that made me dig deeper. Here’s what I found.

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

These two verses are talking about the same specific group of people, those who love God and keep his covenant. In the Old Testament the group is known as “a peculiar treasure” in the New Testament the group is known as the church.

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Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

This one is a little harder to see but that verse is telling us that David and his men were blameless because it was only for the priests to eat the shewbread. We’ll if David and his men were blameless then they had to be priests, this kind of priest - Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

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These verses describe Old Testament believer’s in christ (Christians) partaking in “ the blood and body” of Christ.

1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
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The church has always existed, there has always been a “called out” group of people. The church was hidden in the Old Testament but it was revealed in the New Testament.

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You mentioned that no one knew of Christ in the Old Testament but all of the Old Testament people knew the messiah was coming and that he was coming to save them from their sins.

In Galatians we’re told the GOSPEL was preached to Abraham.

Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

In Isaiah the plan of salvation is laid out.

Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

correct we are told that the gospel was preached to abraham .
In fact we should read on acts . Paul makes mention as does peter
about the PROMISE that was given long ago unto the Fathers and it was and is JESUS THE CHRIST .
The unbelieving jews were often angry at paul for preaching the VERY PROMISE that was given unto the Fathers .
There are many things written that one would do well had we dug in our bible and stayed in that bible .

 

[amigo de christo]

It is more than “Christ was in the church in the wilderness “ but that is the verse that made me dig deeper. Here’s what I found.

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

These two verses are talking about the same specific group of people, those who love God and keep his covenant. In the Old Testament the group is known as “a peculiar treasure” in the New Testament the group is known as the church.

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Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

This one is a little harder to see but that verse is telling us that David and his men were blameless because it was only for the priests to eat the shewbread. We’ll if David and his men were blameless then they had to be priests, this kind of priest - Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

——————————————————————
These verses describe Old Testament believer’s in christ (Christians) partaking in “ the blood and body” of Christ.

1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
————————————————————-

The church has always existed, there has always been a “called out” group of people. The church was hidden in the Old Testament but it was revealed in the New Testament.

——————————————————————

You mentioned that no one knew of Christ in the Old Testament but all of the Old Testament people knew the messiah was coming and that he was coming to save them from their sins.

In Galatians we’re told the GOSPEL was preached to Abraham.

Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

In Isaiah the plan of salvation is laid out.

Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

My son GOD shall provide a lamb .
In the mount of the LORD it shall be SEEN it shall be provided .
Because thou has not kept your only SON , withheld thy only SON
JEHOVAH JIREH , in the mountain of the LORD it shall be seen , shall be provided .
ABRAHAM saw my day and HE REJOICED and was glad .
And in THY SEED shall all , take note that say shall ALL nations be blessed . that seed was and is JESUS THE CHRIST .
I have said a man shall NEVER LACK to sit the throne of david . AND ONE DOES SIT THAT THRONE
for now its heavenly . KING JESUS who according to the flesh came of the lineage of David .
Who seen HIM . THE LORD said unto MY LORD sit here at my RIGHT HAND ..
David seen it too as did other prophets . And always was there a rememnant in Even Israel
who would not heed the hirelings , whose faith was IN GOD , whose trust was in GOD and not in wayward men
who decieved that people . AND THEY TOO looked by faith for the coming of the promise
of a savoir who would be given unto ISRAEL , and his name , THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS
In HIS days he shall set up a KINGDOM that never shall be destroyed or removed . THAT IS KING JESUS and
the scrips , torah , the law , the prophets all POINTED TO HIM . YES my friend there has always been this rememnant .
And still today there is a remnant that now consists of both jew and gentile whose faith be IN THAT SAVOIR .
THAT BE THE BODY , that be the church and all else is but vainity in the winds . NO other religoin or its god so called
is gonna save this world or its peoples . But sadly i seem to see me many
now believiing in the LIE of the dark one which has come to unite the religoins and peoples of earth to be as one .
A LIE that they call love and by means of common ground , bridge builders and etc
IS causing the DOWNFALL of this people and will end in perdition with the dark one who sold this lie that so many
seem to love . IT OMITS the DIRE NEED to repent and believe on JESUS THE CHRIST
and it honors false religoins and even certain sins . And all for what they think will soon usher
in world peace and safety a utopia . BUT NO SIR
here is what their peace n safety is about to usher in upon them . SUDDEN DESTRUCTION cause it HAS DENIED
THE TRUE CHRIST of GOD . and at most only used HIS name to DECIEVE the world .

 

[amigo de christo]

It is more than “Christ was in the church in the wilderness “ but that is the verse that made me dig deeper. Here’s what I found.

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

These two verses are talking about the same specific group of people, those who love God and keep his covenant. In the Old Testament the group is known as “a peculiar treasure” in the New Testament the group is known as the church.

—————————————————-

Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

This one is a little harder to see but that verse is telling us that David and his men were blameless because it was only for the priests to eat the shewbread. We’ll if David and his men were blameless then they had to be priests, this kind of priest - Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

——————————————————————
These verses describe Old Testament believer’s in christ (Christians) partaking in “ the blood and body” of Christ.

1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
————————————————————-

The church has always existed, there has always been a “called out” group of people. The church was hidden in the Old Testament but it was revealed in the New Testament.

——————————————————————

You mentioned that no one knew of Christ in the Old Testament but all of the Old Testament people knew the messiah was coming and that he was coming to save them from their sins.

In Galatians we’re told the GOSPEL was preached to Abraham.

Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

In Isaiah the plan of salvation is laid out.

Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

COME we have found HE who moses spoke of ...........
OH YES there was a remenant who had been looking for the promise of HIS COMING .
THIS IS HE who moses spoke of ...........................
YOU do not hear me because as i said YE ARE NOT MY SHEEP . my sheep HEAR my voice .
YES indeed there was a remannt friend and many had died looking for the promise of HIS COMING
but they died not in vain , BUT IN FAITH .
HERE IS FAITH . WHEN GOD SAYS ONE BELEIVES and THUS ONE DOES .
Abraham BELIEVED GOD
and yet it seems many dont . OH they lip his name
but they DONT BELIEVE THE TESTIMONY that GOD GAVE OF HIS SON .
and thus they call GOD A LIAR . THEY DO NOT BELIEVE GOD for they DO NOT BELIEVE THE SON WHOM THE FATHER SENT .
that just booted every false religoin out the door as knowing GOD .
ALL other religoins DO NOT RECIEVE THE TESTIMONY OF GOD at all , THEY REJECT IT
even the muslims who try and use the name of JESUS preach ANOTHER ONE .
they do not SEE HIM AS MESSIAH , as SON OF GOD . they cling to they false prophet muhammed .
IF any denies JESUS is the CHRIST , take note it dont next say , OH ITS OKAY they still know GOD if they loved one another ,
IT SAYS THEY ARE A LIAR they are an ANTI CHRIST . thus guess what every other religoin doeth the work of
ANTI CHRIST as does this all inclusive lie which tries to merge the religoins as one by saying and implying
we all serve the same GOD . OH they do serve the same god , but take note that one aint captilized .
BUT it is not the god we serve . WE SERVE THE ONE TRUE GOD OF ABRHAM ISSAC and JACOB
THE ONE WHO TESTIFIES OF THE SON . THAT ONE . THE ONLY ONE .
TO DENY JESUS the CHRIST IS TO DENY GOD . a fact most seem to not want to believe anymore
but i warn us on the day of the LORD if they repented not , they gonna wish they had .

 

[amigo de christo]

the real simple question is DO WE BELIEVE GOD
or do we as many believe men who twisted his words and called him a liar .
DO WE BELIEVE GOD . THEN WE WOULD HAVE BELIEVED JESUS THE CHRIST .
HAD WE LOVED GOD we would have LOVED JESUS WHO CAME FORTH OF GOD .
I have come to declare all out war against the lie that more and more now seem to love
the lie that has come to merge the false to unite as one under a lie
by means of a false love , to sit under what they THINK is GOD and is LOVE but
is he who has desired to be AS GOD . we better watch out . Time draws ever short and many there be
who now do the work of the prince of lies only THEY THINK ITS THE LOVE GOD .

 

[Lizbeth]

“But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. ”
Matthew 15:9 KJV

Even worshipping the true God isn't enough for some.

Amen. Jesus said the Lord is looking for worshippers to worship Him in spirit and in truth. Not to worship Him with strange fire and ways that seemeth right to man but which lead to death. (And no one can begin to learn truth and worship Him in spirit and in truth without first receiving Him/His Spirit.)

 

[Lizbeth]

Even as the GOD of the jews once told the jews who did not believe on Him .
Ye are of your father the devil . The torah , the law , the whole of the old scrips
Were to point one to THE COMING MESSIAH OF GOD , CHRIST JESUS .
JESUS FULLFILLED . false religoins killed .
Now some might be questioning my first statement .
They might say HEY WAIT GOD DIDNT say that , JESUS DID . to which i say , IF JESUS DID SAY SOMETHING
THEN GOD DID SAY IT . see how simple i see things . But then the scrips say the same THING .
Stay glued to the one original gospel my friend . stay well glued to it .
For many anti christs are amongst even the realm of christendom and they have come
to seduce the people into a lie that will save not a one of them .

I think Jesus used stronger terms of rebuke with the Jewish religious leaders than He did with the rest of the people because of the principle that teachers receive a stricter judgment. The Lord distinguishes between the fat sheep and the lean sheep. He would do the same within Christendom today I'm sure.

 

[rwb]

While I agree Gods people in all ages have met or congregated, we must make a distinction between the NT church and the OT assemblies.

The church as defined by the NT is the assembly of those who have been born again and are infilled by the Holy Spirit. the infilling did not take place at all until Pentecost, so there was no church in the OT per se.

The NT church of believers is quantitatively and qualitatively different from the OT gathering of believers.

The distinction to be made is that the congregation of Old was comprised of one ethnic people, and to be included among the Old congregation one must be born or convert to Judaism. The congregation of the New Covenant is not limited to only one ethnic people, but is for peoples of of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues.

 

[rwb]

Sorry but that is incorrect.

OT people had no knowledge of Jesus nor that their Messiah would be crucified for their sins. they also did not have the indwelling of the Holy spirit, but only the on dwelling.

But most important is what Jesus Himself said:

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Jesus did not say "keep building" or "continue building" or "will add on".

He said will build, future.

The Old Covenant nation did not know the name 'Jesus', but the prophets foretell of a Messiah/Savior who would come to redeem His people. The coming of this Messiah was preached even to Abraham, who believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness.

Galatians 3:6-9 (KJV) Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

The Gospel message (the Messiah/Savior) was proclaimed to those of Old through the Law and Prophets of Old. Those who heard are without excuse for not believing on the name of Jesus Christ when He came because He fulfilled all the prophets foretell He would when the Messiah/Savior came.

Romans 10:17-21 (KJV) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

Acts 3:13-18 (KJV) The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all. And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers. But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

 

[rwb]

I have a question. I have never asked this as of yet to someone who believes the church existed in the OT. What do you base it on? It has to be more than the use of the word "ekklesia" in the Greek Septuigant for the assembly in the wilderness.

Ekklesia means a called assembly. It came to refer to the church through massi usage in NT times.

Christian means a partisan of Jesus. How can there be Christians in the OT when no one knew who Jesus was?

Through the presence of the Holy Spirit among them. Those of Old who believed the Prophecies concerning the coming Messiah/Savior believed through the same power according to grace through faith that believers of the New Covenant do. The Holy Spirit was not yet poured out liberally to be in them, but He has always been among believers of all nations.

John 14:17 (KJV) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Exodus 29:45-46 (KJV) And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God. And they shall know that I am the LORD their God, that brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, that I may dwell among them: I am the LORD their God.

 

[ScottA]

Trump is in no way like King david . I do understand why anyone would not vote harris .
But scott , come now this goes way too far my friend .
Had trump even been close at all to king david
he had never have dared to even do some of what he has done . You do realize
that they all pretty much beleive in this every religoin serves the same GOD etc .
The lie that captivates the entire world to merge as one under what they all think is GOD but it sure aint GOD .
You have to realize what the REAL agenda has been . Its not politics
not in the old sense of the word anyway . The agenda
is to find common ground in order to get all to simply come together and in time will beleive
they all serve the same God . Now the real goal behind this
was to unify the religoins and even non religious to unify
under a concept of love and of what the religoins will see as love and of GOD .
But what will this love idea really serve , A one world agenda scott .
Its not being sold as a religoin but rather as its love and of God etc .
They , or i should say the dark one who works through them ,
Has come to preach a concept that all religoins and even non religious can relate too .
Love and doing good works . Now its not really the love of GOD , but of the world .
These politicans are all behind this . We get kept distracted by their sleight of differences in certain politics
and by those sleights they are using the idea to unify with the false religoins .
They are tricking both sides .
The goal is and was to get the religions to unify , to convince us to become unequally yoked
so as the lasts one will fall into the trap and become convinced in time that all religoins must serve the same GOD
Now the end result , or so they think , will be to have remolded
the minds of the peoples into a concept that will serve the agenda of the one world govt .
And guess what , NOT a one of them will realize it . Not even the ones
who cry out against the idea of a one world religoin or a one world govt
CAUSE ITS ALL OVER OUR CAMP TOO . they holler against a one world govt and relgion
and yet have NO IDEA this common ground crap IS OF THE ONE WORLD GOVT .
its like a mad house my friend .

There is more going on than meets the eye. But the fight has always been between good and evil. Love as common ground is just a toe in the door, first things first-- If we can agree on love, then perhaps we can stand together against the common enemy of evil. Then, perhaps we can work on the details and the wrongs among those who wrongly think all love is good love, and all gods are good gods.

Being wrong is not categorically against God, it's just wrong. God is working on that.

Meanwhile, the fight against evil is now operating through an alliance of nations who prefer good over evil. As we speak military covert ops are eradicating evil strongholds around the world--secretly, in order to minimize chaos. Trump is a volunteer front man doing the work of an international coalition of military generals for good against the armies of evil.

A vote for Trump is a vote for good.

"I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live" (Deuteronomy 30:19).​

 

[amigo de christo]

There is more going on than meets the eye. But the fight has always been between good and evil. Love as common ground is just a toe in the door, first things first-- If we can agree on love, then were can stand together against the common enemy of evil. Then, perhaps we can work on the details and the wrongs among those who wrongly think all love is good love, and all gods are good gods.

Being wrong is not categorically against God, it's just wrong. God is working on that.

Meanwhile, the fight against evil is now operating through an alliance of nations who prefer good over evil. As we speak military covert ops are eradicating evil strongholds around the world--secretly, in order to minimize chaos. Trump is a volunteer front man doing the work of an international coalition of military generals for good against the armies of evil.

A vote for Trump is a vote for good.

"I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live" (Deuteronomy 30:19).​

you are already under the influence of it my friend .
You are being tricked .
You believe we need to unite with them to do and support a common good or love etc .
This is a snare .
Love as common ground . THAT IS COMING from the delusion my friend .
Rather its preach JESUS to these poor lost souls .
Your being tricked . Being kind to one is okay . But finding common ground with the unbeleiver is bad news .
We must preach JESUS to them . JESUS said so . HE even said if they wont recieve the gospel
THEN shake the dust off your feet . NOT TRY and find common ground or etc .
THIS IS a snare scott . \DONT you realize its coming from the liberal progressive agenda itself .
LOOK at what the pope has taught . HE and you agree on this big time .
THEY are tricking you all . OH I KNOW IT SOUNDS NICE and GOOD and well , BUT ITS NOT , its a snare .
WE need to start actually preaching JESUS THE CHRIST .
Not trying to evangelize another way which aint working and dont work scott .
I have watched this appraoch. It came in from seeker friendly , rick warren , the ecumincal movment
and scores of others . ITS THE SAME agenda . I Told you they just rewrite it a bit different
to suit each group . TRUMP is not WHO you think he is scott , nor is vance .
But what worries me most is the fact you cannot see this other stuff i keep warning about .
But it has been buried within the church realm for quite some time
so i am sure you have been hearing it from leaders for quite some time . THEY all under the influence
of another spirit my friend . And the church has totally been infused with this stuff over the last two decades or more .
Till now most of christanity dont even KNOW how to evangelize , to correct and worse
they now merge more and more right into the snare .

 

[amigo de christo]

There is more going on than meets the eye. But the fight has always been between good and evil. Love as common ground is just a toe in the door, first things first-- If we can agree on love, then were can stand together against the common enemy of evil. Then, perhaps we can work on the details and the wrongs among those who wrongly think all love is good love, and all gods are good gods.

Being wrong is not categorically against God, it's just wrong. God is working on that.

Meanwhile, the fight against evil is now operating through an alliance of nations who prefer good over evil. As we speak military covert ops are eradicating evil strongholds around the world--secretly, in order to minimize chaos. Trump is a volunteer front man doing the work of an international coalition of military generals for good against the armies of evil.

A vote for Trump is a vote for good.

"I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live" (Deuteronomy 30:19).​

The common enemy is the dragon scott . HE infiltrated all realms .
HE is tricking both sides . to you all , to the right
he must convince you all that in order to stop biden , harris and etc
you need to unite with all . YOUR looking to trump for the solution
Just like the left looks to now to harris as the solution .
THEY BOTH BEEN DECIEVED scott . THEY all beleive GOD is fine with all religoins .
The dark one is just going to do all that he can to get us unequally yoked together , cause he knows
What happens when this occurs . The line becomes blurred .
DID you parents ever tell you not to hang around certain kids .
Mine did . WHY . why did they tell me this . CAUSE them kids could influence me and who we hang around
is who we gonna fit in with .
WE CANNOT do this with other religoins or unbeleivers scott .
WE need to stand again CENTERED ON CHRIST and preaching THAT GOSPEL .
But people run so fast to men and put all hopes into men . THERE is a reason it says CURSED is the man
whose hope is in man . WE HAVE GOT TO get focused again ON JESUS THE CHRIST
Defeating evil . PREACH JESUS CHRIST and who so ever believes , Will have a new heart scott .
That is how you defeat evil . YOU preach the gospel . You all are in danger my friend .
I am not accusing you , i am trying to help you .

 

[amigo de christo]

I think Jesus used stronger terms of rebuke with the Jewish religious leaders than He did with the rest of the people because of the principle that teachers receive a stricter judgment. The Lord distinguishes between the fat sheep and the lean sheep. He would do the same within Christendom today I'm sure.

Yeah . and look at our leaders today within christendom .
JESUS would be lighting them up . USING HIS NAME , HIS NAME , to decieve the people .
IF we think JESUS rebuked the phrarisees who preached against him , and he did
WHAT DO YOU THINK HE is gonna say to those who used HIS OWN NAME to DECIEVE HIS PEOPLE .
Its gonna be one heck of a judgment of the day of the LORD for many .
AND I mean woe wail unto those who denied him
and how much worse when men uses HIS NAME to decieve . THAT IS EVEN WORSE than an ice cold
person that decieves . ITS WHEN ONE who uses the name of GOD , OF CHRIST
and fleeces the flocks they were supposed to have been feeding .
THIS IS GONNA BE very harsh on these leaders sister . IF THEY DONT REPENT asap .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. Jesus said the Lord is looking for worshippers to worship Him in spirit and in truth. Not to worship Him with strange fire and ways that seemeth right to man but which lead to death. (And no one can begin to learn truth and worship Him in spirit and in truth without first receiving Him/His Spirit.)

IF the two sons of aaron couldbe burned alive for buring strange fire
how much worse unto those who burn this strange so called spiritual fire , IN THE NAME OF JESUS , unto this people .
Folks got no idea the wrath these so called leaders of christendom are storing up for themselves upon the day of wrath .
AND as with the prophet , with the priest , with the teacher , SO TOO with those who sat under them and loved a lie
SISTER . and that IS BIBLICAL . many are gonna wail and wail on the day of the LORD
and many of them will have also been WITHIN christendom .
REPENTANCE and a strong message of upmost rebuke , gravity and alarm must be sounded
to this people . FOR ON THE DAY OF THE LORD IT WILL BE TOO LATE to have repented . BETTER THEY DO IT NOW and RIGHT NOW is all
i can say for them and to them .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

These two verses are talking about the same specific group of people, those who love God and keep his covenant. In the Old Testament the group is known as “a peculiar treasure” in the New Testament the group is known as the church.

In teh OT it was one single nation called Israel.

In the New Testament it is the people from all nations called the body of Christ/bride of Christ/ church.

OT saints are not part of the body of Christ nor are part of the bride of Christ.

Even JOhn the Baptist recognized he was not part of the bride of christ. He called himself the friend of the bridegroom.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. Jesus said the Lord is looking for worshippers to worship Him in spirit and in truth. Not to worship Him with strange fire and ways that seemeth right to man but which lead to death. (And no one can begin to learn truth and worship Him in spirit and in truth without first receiving Him/His Spirit.)

Notice it says SPIRIT and TRUTH , not another spirit that spouts lies .
Sister i am totally scared to death for this people and their leaders . THEY GOT NO idea
what is to occur unto them on the day of the LORD , if they do not repent asap .
Two great evils have occured within the massive majority of christendom .
THE priests and leaders prosphey lies unto this people
and the people love to have it so .
NONE does preach the words of GOD . FOR HAD THEY PREACHED THE WORDS of GOD
the people would have repented of their evil .
They have prophsied smooth things to this people
and have Turned away from teh HOLY one Of israel and of his words in the scrips .
And if a man does enter in amongst them
and brings the words of TRUTH to cause correction , that man makes himself a prey to their teeth .
But look again sister , oh look again
and ye shall see far worse things they do in the dark chambers of their churches
The men hold up rainbows
and kiss korans and budda statues and the gospel is removed
and the SON OF MAN TROD UNDER FOOT for a love that they believe is of GOD .
And the people chant , GOD is love but know neither GOD OR LOVE .
The leaders promise the wicked life and none does repent of his wickendess .
WHAT THE JEWS DID , CHRISTENDOM IS DOING SISTER . ITS DOING IT RIGHT NOW
and i am warning us JUDGMENT IS AT THE DOOR and soon many will wail .
And their gods and their god of this so called love that created this sin accepting broad path to GOD
WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DELIVER THEM from the WRATH O GOD and of the lamb WHOM THEY DENIED .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The distinction to be made is that the congregation of Old was comprised of one ethnic people, and to be included among the Old congregation one must be born or convert to Judaism. The congregation of the New Covenant is not limited to only one ethnic people, but is for peoples of of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues.

Well that is one of many many major differences between the Old and New Testament saints.

Anopther huge one is that Israel was and will be again the wife of Jehovah while the church is the espoused to Jesus and we await our wedding day.

 

[IndianaRob]

In teh OT it was one single nation called Israel.

In the New Testament it is the people from all nations called the body of Christ/bride of Christ/ church.

OT saints are not part of the body of Christ nor are part of the bride of Christ.

Even JOhn the Baptist recognized he was not part of the bride of christ. He called himself the friend of the bridegroom.

The Old Testament saints including John the Baptist couldn’t be the bride of Christ because Christ had not yet paid for their sins. In the Old Testament the body of Christ was called the tabernacle of David.

The tabernacle was the body and David represents Christ.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Old Covenant nation did not know the name 'Jesus', but the prophets foretell of a Messiah/Savior who would come to redeem His people. The coming of this Messiah was preached even to Abraham, who believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness.

Galatians 3:6-9 (KJV) Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

The Gospel message (the Messiah/Savior) was proclaimed to those of Old through the Law and Prophets of Old. Those who heard are without excuse for not believing on the name of Jesus Christ when He came because He fulfilled all the prophets foretell He would when the Messiah/Savior came.

Romans 10:17-21 (KJV) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

Acts 3:13-18 (KJV) The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all. And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers. But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

True. and all true saints believed on jesus when He came. But people were not saved in teh Old by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for their sins.