America is in trouble

[Eternally Grateful]

I do not know if this is the right forum, if not feel free to move it

I blame the left wing media and the propaganda and lies against an ex president for what happened today. An innocent girl was killed and A man lost his life for a lie and we are closer to a civil war than I have ever seen. People need to wake up. They call trump a Nazi, Yet it is the left who has just tried to assassinate him, Its the left who has tried to imprison him It is the left who is systimatically doing everything they can to put their political apponent and his people behind bars. This is the kind of stuff we saw in Nazi germany, In soviet Russia, In communist China, Not the stuff we see in the United States. They even have a president who does not even know who he is or where he is half the time, and the media has been lieing about him for years also. Until it was exposed during the debate, and now everyone is up in arms and tryign to get Biden to step down. and he has the keys to the nukes? I am seriously worried for my children and my grand babies for what is happening in my country right now. Please people wake up before it’s too late!! Pray for our country!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

A 20 year old. Brainwashed by the rhetoric is the martyr. Will now wait on all the cover-up I am sure will follow

 

[Jack]

I do not know if this is the right forum, if not feel free to move it

I blame the left wing media and the propaganda and lies against an ex president for what happened today. An innocent girl was killed and A man lost his life for a lie and we are closer to a civil war than I have ever seen. People need to wake up. They call trump a Nazi, Yet it is the left who has just tried to assassinate him, Its the left who has tried to imprison him It is the left who is systimatically doing everything they can to put their political apponent and his people behind bars. This is the kind of stuff we saw in Nazi germany, In soviet Russia, In communist China, Not the stuff we see in the United States. They even have a president who does not even know who he is or where he is half the time, and the media has been lieing about him for years also. Until it was exposed during the debate, and now everyone is up in arms and tryign to get Biden to step down. and he has the keys to the nukes? I am seriously worried for my children and my grand babies for what is happening in my country right now. Please people wake up before it’s too late!! Pray for our country!

Acts 16:31 Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you'll be saved, you AND YOUR FAMILY!

That promise is as faithful as John 3:16!

 

[FaithWillDo]

I do not know if this is the right forum, if not feel free to move it

I blame the left wing media and the propaganda and lies against an ex president for what happened today. An innocent girl was killed and A man lost his life for a lie and we are closer to a civil war than I have ever seen. People need to wake up. They call trump a Nazi, Yet it is the left who has just tried to assassinate him, Its the left who has tried to imprison him It is the left who is systimatically doing everything they can to put their political apponent and his people behind bars. This is the kind of stuff we saw in Nazi germany, In soviet Russia, In communist China, Not the stuff we see in the United States. They even have a president who does not even know who he is or where he is half the time, and the media has been lieing about him for years also. Until it was exposed during the debate, and now everyone is up in arms and tryign to get Biden to step down. and he has the keys to the nukes? I am seriously worried for my children and my grand babies for what is happening in my country right now. Please people wake up before it’s too late!! Pray for our country!

Dear Eternally Grateful,

America is not in trouble. America is in the hands of Christ and is exactly in the place that Christ wants America to be. You should not be concerned or involved in what is happening in this country.

2Ti 2:4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

1Cor 5:15 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

2Cor 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Being knowledgeable about what is happening is fine and it can even be beneficial in the sense of learning from the work that Christ is doing in this world - but we should not get involved in it or even criticize it. If you criticize it, you are criticizing Christ.

Prov 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?

Prov 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

Jer 10:23 I know, Jehovah, that the way of man is not his own; it is not in a man that walketh to direct his steps.

Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

I will paraphrase a quote from a movie I saw a few years ago. The quote was something like this: In the end, everything will be okay. If everything is not okay, then it is not the end.

And like the quote says, when the end of the ages come, everything will be okay. Death will be defeated and all mankind will be saved.

1Cor 15:20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection from the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the consummation, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Until the end comes, we must have faith in Christ and trust Him to accomplish all that He has spoken. This is the patience of the saints. In the end, everything will be okay. Christ's love for mankind will not fail anyone. We truly have a great and loving Creator.

Joe

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Dear Eternally Grateful,

America is not in trouble. America is in the hands of Christ and is exactly in the place that Christ wants America to be. You should not be concerned or involved in what is happening in this country.

2Ti 2:4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

1Cor 5:15 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

2Cor 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Being knowledgeable about what is happening is fine and it can even be beneficial in the sense of learning from the work that Christ is doing in this world - but we should not get involved in it or even criticize it. If you criticize it, you are criticizing Christ.

Prov 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?

Prov 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

Jer 10:23 I know, Jehovah, that the way of man is not his own; it is not in a man that walketh to direct his steps.

Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

I will paraphrase a quote from a movie I saw a few years ago. The quote was something like this: In the end, everything will be okay. If everything is not okay, then it is not the end.

And like the quote says, when the end of the ages come, everything will be okay. Death will be defeated and all mankind will be saved.

1Cor 15:20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection from the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the consummation, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Until the end comes, we must have faith in Christ and trust Him to accomplish all that He has spoken. This is the patience of the saints. In the end, everything will be okay. Christ's love for mankind will not fail anyone. We truly have a great and loving Creator.

Joe

My family lives in this country, I should be very concerned.. Yes, God is in control. and he gives us what we deserve. thus my worry.. We need to wak up and not just be bystanders.. that has gone on for too long

 

[FaithWillDo]

My family lives in this country, I should be very concerned.. Yes, God is in control. and he gives us what we deserve. thus my worry.. We need to wak up and not just be bystanders.. that has gone on for too long

Dear Eternally Grateful,
If Christ gave everyone what they deserved, no one would be saved.

Also, Christ tells us not to resist the evil that He created to be in this world:

Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Here is a example of not resisting evil by Christ Himself:

Luke 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? 55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. 56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

In addition to not resisting evil, Christ says that we should love our enemies and do good do them:

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

As for the evil that is in this country, it is here by the hand of God to suit is own purposes.

Consider these verses below:

Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

Ecc 1:13 An experience of evil God has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.

Isa 19:14 The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt (could be said of the United States, too) to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.

Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

Lam 3:38 Out of the mouth of the Most High doth not there proceed evil and good?

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

One final point: we are not "bystanders" in this world when we follow Christ. We are a "light" to this world.

Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

If you believe that we, as followers of Christ, should be fighting against the evil in this country, then you are not following Christ. You are following Satan and the ways of this world.

Joe

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Dear Eternally Grateful,
If Christ gave everyone what they deserved, no one would be saved.

Also, Christ tells us not to resist the evil that He created to be in this world:

Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Here is a example of not resisting evil by Christ Himself:

Luke 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? 55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. 56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

In addition to not resisting evil, Christ says that we should love our enemies and do good do them:

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

As for the evil that is in this country, it is here by the hand of God to suit is own purposes.

Consider these verses below:

Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

Ecc 1:13 An experience of evil God has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.

Isa 19:14 The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt (could be said of the United States, too) to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.

Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

Lam 3:38 Out of the mouth of the Most High doth not there proceed evil and good?

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

One final point: we are not "bystanders" in this world when we follow Christ. We are a "light" to this world.

Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

If you believe that we, as followers of Christ, should be fighting against the evil in this country, then you are not following Christ. You are following Satan and the ways of this world.

Joe

I am not talking about salvation my friend.

I am talking about the physical safety of my family and my kids and grandkids.

God gave us medicine, sitting and doing nothing when we get sick just because we believe God will protect us is foolish, many have died under this mindset. And this is not Gods fault.. They should have acted.

God did not tell us not to act.

 

[FaithWillDo]

I am not talking about salvation my friend.

I am talking about the physical safety of my family and my kids and grandkids.

God gave us medicine, sitting and doing nothing when we get sick just because we believe God will protect us is foolish, many have died under this mindset. And this is not Gods fault.. They should have acted.

God did not tell us not to act.

Dear Eternally Grateful,
You said:
God gave us medicine, sitting and doing nothing when we get sick just because we believe God will protect us is foolish, many have died under this mindset. And this is not Gods fault.. They should have acted.

Using medicine that God's provides is certainly appropriate. However, using a gun to kill an intruder in your home is not appropriate, even to protect your family. Under no circumstances should a follower of Christ ever return evil for evil.

Did Paul ever resist the people who stoned him, beat him, robbed him or whipped him? Certainly not. The only recourse a believer has is to try and remove yourself from the evil that you see coming.

Christ at times had to disappear into the crowds when the Jews tried to harm Him:

John 10:39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand, 40 And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.

Luke 4:28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, 29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong. 30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,

Paul did the same:

Acts 9:23 And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him: 24 But their laying await was known of Saul. And they watched the gates day and night to kill him. 25 Then the disciples took him by night, and let him down by the wall in a basket.

You said:
God did not tell us not to act.

If you have the ability to do good to another person by using your own skills or by using something that the Lord has provided, then by all means, do so.

But Christ specially said not to resist evil and not to harm anyone. He also said not to involve yourself in the affairs of this life. This includes holding government offices, voting, serving on juries, protesting and supporting political candidates. We are to be separate from this world. Christ has provided the people of this world to take care of the things of this world. We are to take care of the things of God.

Mark 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

Joe

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You protect your family as you see fit, I will protect mine

we are not even on the same wavelength I can not agree with you at all

 

[Aunty Jane]

You protect your family as you see fit, I will protect mine

we are not even on the same wavelength I can not agree with you at all

This is an interesting exchange here, because one is the voice of Scripture, (@FaithWillDo) promoting faith in God….and the other is the voice of fear. Does faith produce fear, or confidence in the God who has the power to destroy all enemies at the oppointed time. Should we rush in and do what God forbids in order to protect our lives at all costs?

Who is in control….not just of the USA, (as many in your country seem to focus on exclusively) but God has his worshippers in every nation and he has the eternal welfare of every one of them at heart.
God is not political….he is the God of all who obey him, (Acts 10:34-35) and who serve him as obedient disciples of his son. We cannot pick and choose what commands to obey….we must obey all of them, in faith.

And yes, God did give us medicines in nature…..but these are not what the medical profession prescribes for our ailments. Those medicines are designed to treat symptoms, prolong illness, and keep you reliant on their endless supply of ‘medications’ at your great expense, while you battle a litany of “side effects”. Natural medicines have no side effects because they work with the body, not against it. When greed drives something you know that God is not its author.

God has his reasons in allowing the present circumstances, because in this world he is setting precedents so that no rebel in the future will ever dare go back to where we are now by rejecting God’s commands. This is what the world looks like without strict obedience to God. The majority of human beings on this planet have rejected him as their Sovereign…..we cannot save our lives in any meaningful way by disobeying Him. To the contrary Jesus said…

Mark 8:35-38…
”For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and for the sake of the good news will save it. 36 Really, what good will it do a man to gain the whole world and to lose his life? 37 What, really, would a man give in exchange for his life? 38 For whoever becomes ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of man will also be ashamed of him when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”

Where are you in these verses EG? What will you exchange for saving anyone in your family, if it means disobeying what Jesus taught us about his Father’s view of violence? We cannot “return evil for evil”. If vengeance is to be demonstrated, it will be from God, not us.

Is there a “wavelength” adjustment needed here?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This is an interesting exchange here, because one is the voice of Scripture, (@FaithWillDo) promoting faith in God….and the other is the voice of fear. Does faith produce fear, or confidence in the God who has the power to destroy all enemies at the oppointed time. Should we rush in and do what God forbids in order to protect our lives at all costs?

Who is in control….not just of the USA, (as many in your country seem to focus on exclusively) but God has his worshippers in every nation and he has the eternal welfare of every one of them at heart.
God is not political….he is the God of all who obey him, (Acts 10:34-35) and who serve him as obedient disciples of his son. We cannot pick and choose what commands to obey….we must obey all of them, in faith.

And yes, God did give us medicines in nature…..but these are not what the medical profession prescribes for our ailments. Those medicines are designed to treat symptoms, prolong illness, and keep you reliant on their endless supply of ‘medications’ at your great expense, while you battle a litany of “side effects”. Natural medicines have no side effects because they work with the body, not against it. When greed drives something you know that God is not its author.

God has his reasons in allowing the present circumstances, because in this world he is setting precedents so that no rebel in the future will ever dare go back to where we are now by rejecting God’s commands. This is what the world looks like without strict obedience to God. The majority of human beings on this planet have rejected him as their Sovereign…..we cannot save our lives in any meaningful way by disobeying Him. To the contrary Jesus said…

Mark 8:35-38…
”For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and for the sake of the good news will save it. 36 Really, what good will it do a man to gain the whole world and to lose his life? 37 What, really, would a man give in exchange for his life? 38 For whoever becomes ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of man will also be ashamed of him when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”

Where are you in these verses EG? What will you exchange for saving anyone in your family, if it means disobeying what Jesus taught us about his Father’s view of violence? We cannot “return evil for evil”. If vengeance is to be demonstrated, it will be from God, not us.

Is there a “wavelength” adjustment needed here?

Yawn.

I am promoting protecting my family. And you claim it is promoting fear.

Your can join your buddy in a fake narrative..

do you trust God for your salvation and do you believe you have eternal life and will never perish no matter what?

Or do you promote salvation can be lost?

lets see who really promotes fear here

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Nancy can you please close this thread. it did not have the reaction I was hoping for.. so there is no need to continue.

 

[FaithWillDo]

This is an interesting exchange here, because one is the voice of Scripture, (@FaithWillDo) promoting faith in God….and the other is the voice of fear. Does faith produce fear, or confidence in the God who has the power to destroy all enemies at the oppointed time. Should we rush in and do what God forbids in order to protect our lives at all costs?

Who is in control….not just of the USA, (as many in your country seem to focus on exclusively) but God has his worshippers in every nation and he has the eternal welfare of every one of them at heart.
God is not political….he is the God of all who obey him, (Acts 10:34-35) and who serve him as obedient disciples of his son. We cannot pick and choose what commands to obey….we must obey all of them, in faith.

And yes, God did give us medicines in nature…..but these are not what the medical profession prescribes for our ailments. Those medicines are designed to treat symptoms, prolong illness, and keep you reliant on their endless supply of ‘medications’ at your great expense, while you battle a litany of “side effects”. Natural medicines have no side effects because they work with the body, not against it. When greed drives something you know that God is not its author.

God has his reasons in allowing the present circumstances, because in this world he is setting precedents so that no rebel in the future will ever dare go back to where we are now by rejecting God’s commands. This is what the world looks like without strict obedience to God. The majority of human beings on this planet have rejected him as their Sovereign…..we cannot save our lives in any meaningful way by disobeying Him. To the contrary Jesus said…

Mark 8:35-38…
”For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and for the sake of the good news will save it. 36 Really, what good will it do a man to gain the whole world and to lose his life? 37 What, really, would a man give in exchange for his life? 38 For whoever becomes ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of man will also be ashamed of him when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”

Where are you in these verses EG? What will you exchange for saving anyone in your family, if it means disobeying what Jesus taught us about his Father’s view of violence? We cannot “return evil for evil”. If vengeance is to be demonstrated, it will be from God, not us.

Is there a “wavelength” adjustment needed here?

Dear Aunty Jane,
You said:
And yes, God did give us medicines in nature…..but these are not what the medical profession prescribes for our ailments. Those medicines are designed to treat symptoms, prolong illness, and keep you reliant on their endless supply of ‘medications’ at your great expense, while you battle a litany of “side effects”.

You sound like my wife. She is a nursing instructor and hates what the medical system has become. She promotes eating proper foods (low sugar/carbs and high protein) in moderation, coupled with exercise. Fasting also has its place for maintaining healthy body. If most people would live their lives this way, they wouldn't need prescription medicines nearly as much.

Joe

 

[Aunty Jane]

Yawn.

I am promoting protecting my family. And you claim it is promoting fear.

Your can join your buddy in a fake narrative..

do you trust God for your salvation and do you believe you have eternal life and will never perish no matter what?

Or do you promote salvation can be lost?

lets see who really promotes fear here

Can’t be told eh? What fake narrative are you talking about? You mean the abundant scriptural references that prove you wrong?

Salvation can indeed be lost for those who cannot do as they are told by the son of God….what need does God have for disobedient ones…isn’t that what got us into this mess in the first place?

 

[Aunty Jane]

You said:
And yes, God did give us medicines in nature…..but these are not what the medical profession prescribes for our ailments. Those medicines are designed to treat symptoms, prolong illness, and keep you reliant on their endless supply of ‘medications’ at your great expense, while you battle a litany of “side effects”.

You sound like my wife. She is a nursing instructor and hates what the medical system has become. She promotes eating proper foods (low sugar/carbs and high protein) in moderation, coupled with exercise. Fasting also has its place for maintaining healthy body. If most people would live their lives this way, they wouldn't need prescription medicines nearly as much.

Joe

I am appalled at what modern medicine has turned into…..all the good and beneficial natural medicines have been demonized and the poison they call medicine has replaced it, making the pharma industry one of the most lucrative on earth.

How much profit was made during the pan-demic....? How many people died from the untested jab as opposed to those who died “with covid” rather than “from” it. Any person with multiple health issues who got the virus and died, joined the numbers who supposedly died of this allegedly deadly disease...and those who wanted to treat patients with some already tried and tested medicines, used for decades, were prevented from using it and doctors stripped of their licences, and their reputations sullied if they did. It was actually a plandemic.....an exercise in control created by fear.

What a horrible state of affairs we have reached!!! Those we once trusted, are proving that they are no longer trustworthy....backed into a corner by a greedy medical system that punishes them for telling the truth.
Corruption is everywhere....