All the ELECT please stand up

[CharismaticLady]

One of us is reading it out of context, that's for sure...

If I'm in error, I would rather err on the side of holiness, than licentiousness.

 

[CharismaticLady]

And no, that's not got me tripped up. :)

Well, something's got you blinded to the fact that verse 13 shows a sinner. That is before Christ, or do you believe Jesus takes away our sin, but not the desire to sin. Desires are in the flesh, but Romans 8:9 says we are NOT in the flesh but in the Spirit. What did Jesus free us from, the law, or the reason for the law - sin.

 

[SovereignGrace]

If I'm in error, I would rather err on the side of holiness, than licentiousness.

Again, we are sinners saved by grace. No where I have purported I hold to licentiousness. You need to either take back that claim or admit you just lied, which is an willful sin. Show me where I have purported this.

What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?[Romans 6:1-2] Now, this does not mean we sin because we are saved and that gives us a license to sin, as you are alluding I am saying this. Neither does this mean we live sinless, either.

Forget it. To the ignore file for you. We are DONE!!!

Liar!!

 

[SovereignGrace]

For someone who hasn't committed a willful sin since 1977, that lie came awfully easy to her. :

 

[GodsGrace]

Wow, take scripture out of context much???

LOL
@Preacher4Truth always tells me I take scripture out of context.
(which is not true, of course).

Seems like it's going around!

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Actually, years ago I tangled with @Preacher4Truth on another Christian forum. I was a believer in free will at that time, but there were some things I wondered about. On 6/14/2012 I lost my mommy to a blood clot. I posted it on the prayers forum. He was the only one on that site(IIRC) that actually reached out to me via PM. I never forgot that, either. None who held to my free will beliefs at that time PM'd me. Not one. That stuck with me. It was about a year later I really began praying for God to reveal the truths to me that were contained in the bible. I came to believe in reformed theology.

I realize everybody's study is different.

I sure love you brother. You two are in our prayers. :)

 

[Preacher4Truth]

For someone who hasn't committed a willful sin since 1977, that lie came awfully easy to her. :

Maybe she lied accidentally? Lolzzz...

 

[brakelite]

Could he entertain the concept or idea that he could be wrong? Yes. He was once a free will believer like I was. Yet, now he holds to the doctrines of grace. So yes to that question. :)

We all hold to the doctrine of grace. I have never seen anyone on a Christian forum, anywhere, teach that we are saved by anything other than grace... Except for the odd dispensationalist who believes the OT Israelites were saved by their obedience/law.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

I wouldn't describe him as mean. Hard debater, yes. Could he entertain the concept or idea that he could be wrong? Never. Why? Because he's chosen. God's elect. Once you are in the club, a member of the inner sanctum and above the goyim and hoi poloi of this world, then you can say and do things that the untouchables dare not reproach right?

The above is just arrogant ranting and it's no longer in ignorance. Of course I'm wrong about things, probably eschatologically mostly, and while I'm still learning these disciplines, you won't see me debating them.

But I'm not wrong about soteriology, or, that God elects all who are saved, and that being saved means God elected. Yet I have much more to learn about the Gospel, but what I do know, learned from others, and personal study, I am totally confident in and know it to be correct.

I'm sorry you mock and ridicule such a gracious and divine decree of God, without which none would be saved.

Your mocking and ridicule of others election is unfortunate and downright ugly and uncalled for.

When we speak of election it's not in arrogance because God did all of it, for no good in any of us, and would include you and you should embrace this truth instead of ridiculing it with the gang of other naysayers on here.

Note 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 and see it is all God. Note 2 Thessalonians 2:13, again, all of God. Note Ephesians 1, it's again all God. Note Ephesians 1:19, the only way we believe is by the power of God that resurrected Christ, that is also all of God. Note Ephesians 2:4; "But God..." showing it is all of God; "being rich in mercy."

Notice in Romans 10:17 faith is external comes from God, so it is all of God as well. Therefore all of it comes from God, that is our biblical belief: it is all of God. And you call us arrogant for this fact it is all from God and that we know we are as all others unworthy? That accusation of yours is not even close to true, in fact, it is to bear false witness and to callowly make a jab at others.

The arrogant person is the one who thinks he or she has done something in order for God to choose them, like God saw they would, out of their love for God (while dead in sins) chose to come to him out of their own good love for him (which is impossible.) Then for this act, God rewarded them with salvation, making it meritorious, not all of God, and definitely not of grace. That is what is arrogant. It's also untrue and a false gospel. There is no way around it, such is a gospel of merit, and that is no gospel, and it is not the Gospel of grace. But if you want to keep fighting this, and take Scripture out of context, and continue to refuse correction when you do, well, that's where God has left you.

 

[GodsGrace]

I wouldn't describe him as mean. Hard debater, yes. Could he entertain the concept or idea that he could be wrong? Never. Why? Because he's chosen. God's elect. Once you are in the club, a member of the inner sanctum and above the goyim and hoi poloi of this world, then you can say and do things that the untouchables dare not reproach right?

Who is a hard debater?
All I've seen on this thread is two speaking to each other a lot and not exegeting verses and telling me I don't know context.
THIS is NOT hard debating...
I'm still waiting on that.

 

[GodsGrace]

The above is just arrogant ranting and it's no longer in ignorance. Of course I'm wrong about things, probably eschatologically mostly, and while I'm still learning these disciplines, you won't see me debating them.

But I'm not wrong about soteriology, or, that God elects all who are saved, and that being saved means God elected. Yet I have much more to learn about the Gospel, but what I do know, learned from others, and personal study, I am totally confident in and know it to be correct.

I'm sorry you mock and ridicule such a gracious and divine decree of God, without which none would be saved.

Your mocking and ridicule of others election is unfortunate and downright ugly and uncalled for.

When we speak of election it's not in arrogance because God did all of it, for no good in any of us, and would include you and you should embrace this truth instead of ridiculing it with the gang of other naysayers on here.

Note 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 and see it is all God. Note 2 Thessalonians 2:13, again, all of God. Note Ephesians 1, it's again all God. Note Ephesians 1:19, the only way we believe is by the power of God that resurrected Christ, that is also all of God. Note Ephesians 2:4; "But God..." showing it is all of God; "being rich in mercy."

Notice in Romans 10:17 faith is external comes from God, so it is all of God as well. Therefore all of it comes from God, that is our biblical belief: it is all of God. And you call us arrogant for this fact it is all from God and that we know we are as all others unworthy? That accusation of yours is not even close to true, in fact, it is to bear false witness and to callowly make a jab at others.

The arrogant person is the one who thinks he or she has done something in order for God to choose them, like God saw they would, out of their love for God (while dead in sins) chose to come to him out of their own good love for him (which is impossible.) Then for this act, God rewarded them with salvation, making it meritorious, not all of God, and definitely not of grace. That is what is arrogant. It's also untrue and a false gospel. There is no way around it, such is a gospel of merit, and that is no gospel, and it is not the Gospel of grace. But if you want to keep fighting this, and take Scripture out of context, and continue to refuse correction when you do, well, that's where God has left you.

Who is ranting, but YOU?
How about exegeting those verses you love?

1 Cor 1:16-31
2 Thes 2:13
Ephesians 1:19
Ephesians 2:4
Romans 10:17

Just repeating that "it all comes from God" is NOT exegesis.
Mocking other members and bringing up verses proves NOTHING
except that you don't care to exegete.

 

[brakelite]

The above is just arrogant ranting and it's no longer in ignorance. Of course I'm wrong about things, probably eschatologically mostly, and while I'm still learning these disciplines, you won't see me debating them.

But I'm not wrong about soteriology, or, that God elects all who are saved, and that being saved means God elected. Yet I have much more to learn about the Gospel, but what I do know, learned from others, and personal study, I am totally confident in and know it to be correct.

I'm sorry you mock and ridicule such a gracious and divine decree of God, without which none would be saved.

Your mocking and ridicule of others election is unfortunate and downright ugly and uncalled for.

When we speak of election it's not in arrogance because God did all of it, for no good in any of us, and would include you and you should embrace this truth instead of ridiculing it with the gang of other naysayers on here.

Note 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 and see it is all God. Note 2 Thessalonians 2:13, again, all of God. Note Ephesians 1, it's again all God. Note Ephesians 1:19, the only way we believe is by the power of God that resurrected Christ, that is also all of God. Note Ephesians 2:4; "But God..." showing it is all of God; "being rich in mercy."

Notice in Romans 10:17 faith is external comes from God, so it is all of God as well. Therefore all of it comes from God, that is our biblical belief: it is all of God. And you call us arrogant for this fact it is all from God and that we know we are as all others unworthy? That accusation of yours is not even close to true, in fact, it is to bear false witness and to callowly make a jab at others.

The arrogant person is the one who thinks he or she has done something in order for God to choose them, like God saw they would, out of their love for God (while dead in sins) chose to come to him out of their own good love for him (which is impossible.) Then for this act, God rewarded them with salvation, making it meritorious, not all of God, and definitely not of grace. That is what is arrogant. It's also untrue and a false gospel. There is no way around it, such is a gospel of merit, and that is no gospel, and it is not the Gospel of grace. But if you want to keep fighting this, and take Scripture out of context, and continue to refuse correction when you do, well, that's where God has left you.

Actually I am not mocking the doctrines you hold as I agree with most all of them. We just differ somewhat on the predestined aspect of who is saved and who isn't. What I am mocking,iff mocking is indeed the right word, is the Calvinist mindset that while claiming they believe others are saved apart from themselves, their posts, including yours, express serious doubts to the contrary, as I explained and posted previously, which I note no one had responded to.

 

[SovereignGrace]

We all hold to the doctrine of grace. I have never seen anyone on a Christian forum, anywhere, teach that we are saved by anything other than grace... Except for the odd dispensationalist who believes the OT Israelites were saved by their obedience/law.

We hold to the doctrines of grace, plural. No non-reformed person holds to them. Some may hold to some of the five points, but not all five. That’s why we say to truly be a Calvinist, one must hold to all five points, as they are all linked together.

Yes. I’ve seen those oddballs who say the OT saints were saved by the Law.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Actually I am not mocking the doctrines you hold as I agree with most all of them. We just differ somewhat on the predestined aspect of who is saved and who isn't. What I am mocking,iff mocking is indeed the right word, is the Calvinist mindset that while claiming they believe others are saved apart from themselves, their posts, including yours, express serious doubts to the contrary, as I explained and posted previously, which I note no one had responded to.

Where do you find disagreement with the TULIP? Do you wish to carry this out here? PM? I won’t bother you anymore after this asking you. But I was hoping we could have a private discussion. I am sure we will be civil.

 

[Kermos]

God is sovereign.
God is almighty.
God not only HAS but IS a lot of other attributes:
...snip

In Joshua 24:15, you attempt to insert "free will" into the text of choosing the YHWH; however, read it more carefully, GodsGrace, for the passage reveals:

- choose the evil ("gods") on one side of the river

- or

- choose the evil ("gods") on the other side of the river

Joshua concludes with a declarative statement indicating the power of God with "as for me and my house, we will serve YHWH" (Joshua 24:15 no "free will" for Joshua does not say that anyone chooses YHWH God).

THUS JOSHUA 24:15 IS A PROOF TEXT THAT A PERSON CAN ONLY CHOOSE EVIL AT BEST!

In Genesis 1:31, God says "God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good", yes, indeed, it was very good for the plan of the coming of we believers Blessed Adonai Yeshua Messiah was underway (1 Peter 1:19-21, Ephesians 3:8-12)! That is amazing that the Apostle Paul wrote "in accordance with the eternal purpose which He carried out in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Ephesians 3:11).

In Genesis 2:16-17, we find the complete declarative statement of God thus: "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die." Here is the components:

- Command: "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely"

- Command (exception ["but"] to previous Command): "from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat"

- Prophesy/punishment (predictive ["for"] and conclusive ["for"]): "in the day that you eat from it you will surely die"

The word "for" is not a conditional "if" (even so, "if" does not denote ability). The word "for" is in Genesis 2:17; therefore, the punishment for disobedience is prophecy.

God did not say "oh no, Adam and Eve at from the tree which I forbade them to eat. What am I going to do? I need to come up with a plan B." That is how I perceive that you interpret the scripture; on the other hand, scripture reveals that it's all a part of God's wonderful plan of communion!

THE ACTIONS OF ADAM AND EVE WERE PART OF GOD'S PLAN TO BRING REDEMPTION BY THE BLOOD OF THE UNBLEMISHED LORD JESUS CHRIST TO A REBELLIOUS PEOPLE.

In John 15:5, it is clear that a person can bear no good fruit apart from Jesus, Lord and God! Thus John 15:5 makes perfect sense with Matthew 7:15-18. When John 15:5 is read in context, it is evident that apart from Lord Jesus a person can not come to God. Praise God, that is just like John 15:16 "you did not choose Me, but I chose you". God is so very kind to give a consistent message!

Free will is absent in the New Testament as an innate human ability. I covered the absense of free will from the NT previously, so "free will" is not from God as well as it is proven deceit respecting choosing God; therefore, people who claim to have "free will" are attempting to steal God's glory! Previous posts with Biblical citations for this paragraph are below.

"For many are called, but few [are] chosen" declared the Lord Jesus (Matthew 22:14). Again, previous posts are below with the Word of God revealing that He came for His elect - His chosen.

The relationship of repentance in man with God is covered in a post link below. Spoiler alert: repentance in man is of God,

A person that does not understand the Sovereignty of God in salvation cannot believe in the Author and Perfector of the Faith once delivered to the saints for with man it is impossible to be saved but with God all things are possible (Matthew 19:25:26).

You persist in placing yourself in the category that by your free will you chose Jesus.

Lord Jesus says believers are unable to choose God, and only God can choose believers out of the world (John 15:16-19).

You were dismissive of the posts revealing Truth earlier in this thread, so I asked you politely to read the posts in which the Word of God explains that God alone chooses the believer unto salvation (which are at the bottom of this very post as well, please read them). It appears you continue to avoid reading those posts.

Your persistent confession of a lie (claim to choose God) and your intentional avoidance of the Word of God and your continued teaching of the evil "free will" doctrine - all indicate that you are a wolf in sheep's clothing (Matthew 7:15-18).

The Word of God, quoted in the following links, reveals that freewill is a treacherously rebellious and damnable lie.

These posts of this thread remain true, accurate, legitimate, legal, and Godly:

- "The Righteous Sovereignty Of God Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread)

- "The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "The Repentance Is From God Not Conjured Up In Man By Man Post" (in this thread)

- "The Biblical Definition of Disciple Includes More People Than The 12 Apostles Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post" (in this thread)

- "Lord Jesus Describes Part Of His Essence/Character - God Alone Chooses In Salvation Doctrine Post" (in this thread)

The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit!

 

[Kermos]

Again, we are sinners saved by grace. No where I have purported I hold to licentiousness. You need to either take back that claim or admit you just lied, which is an willful sin. Show me where I have purported this.

What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?[Romans 6:1-2] Now, this does not mean we sin because we are saved and that gives us a license to sin, as you are alluding I am saying this. Neither does this mean we live sinless, either.

Forget it. To the ignore file for you. We are DONE!!!

Liar!!

SovereignGrace, my dear friend, this is why I wrote that the free willers can not appeal to the NT books. The free willers can not see the Truth apart from the gracious work of God. The Holy Spirit is necessary to understand the Writings. Those without the Holy Spirit confuse and confound themselves to damnation. Only people that believe on the Lord Jesus Christ are given the precious gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit!

To you free willers, the Word of God, quoted in the following links, reveals that freewill is a treacherously rebellious and damnable lie.

These posts of this thread remain true, accurate, legitimate, legal, and Godly:

- "The Righteous Sovereignty Of God Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread)

- "The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "The Repentance Is From God Not Conjured Up In Man By Man Post" (in this thread)

- "The Biblical Definition of Disciple Includes More People Than The 12 Apostles Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post" (in this thread)

- "Lord Jesus Describes Part Of His Essence/Character - God Alone Chooses In Salvation Doctrine Post" (in this thread)

- "The Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17, and Joshua 24:15 Reveal The Sovereignty Of God In Man's Salvation Post" (in this thread)

The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit!

 

[Preacher4Truth]

In Joshua 24:15, you attempt to insert "free will" into the text of choosing the YHWH; however, read it more carefully, GodsGrace, for the passage reveals:

- choose the evil ("gods") on one side of the river

- or

- choose the evil ("gods") on the other side of the river

Joshua concludes with a declarative statement indicating the power of God with "as for me and my house, we will serve YHWH" (Joshua 24:15 no "free will" for Joshua does not say that anyone chooses YHWH God).

THUS JOSHUA 24:15 IS A PROOF TEXT THAT A PERSON CAN ONLY CHOOSE EVIL AT BEST!

In Genesis 1:31, God says "God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good", yes, indeed, it was very good for the plan of the coming of we believers Blessed Adonai Yeshua Messiah was underway (1 Peter 1:19-21, Ephesians 3:8-12)! That is amazing that the Apostle Paul wrote "in accordance with the eternal purpose which He carried out in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Ephesians 3:11).

In Genesis 2:16-17, we find the complete declarative statement of God thus: "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die." Here is the components:

- Command: "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely"

- Command (exception ["but"] to previous Command): "from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat"

- Prophesy/punishment (predictive ["for"] and conclusive ["for"]): "in the day that you eat from it you will surely die"

The word "for" is not a conditional "if" (even so, "if" does not denote ability). The word "for" is in Genesis 2:17; therefore, the punishment for disobedience is prophecy.

God did not say "oh no, Adam and Eve at from the tree which I forbade them to eat. What am I going to do? I need to come up with a plan B." That is how I perceive that you interpret the scripture; on the other hand, scripture reveals that it's all a part of God's wonderful plan of communion!

THE ACTIONS OF ADAM AND EVE WERE PART OF GOD'S PLAN TO BRING REDEMPTION BY THE BLOOD OF THE UNBLEMISHED LORD JESUS CHRIST TO A REBELLIOUS PEOPLE.

In John 15:5, it is clear that a person can bear no good fruit apart from Jesus, Lord and God! Thus John 15:5 makes perfect sense with Matthew 7:15-18. When John 15:5 is read in context, it is evident that apart from Lord Jesus a person can not come to God. Praise God, that is just like John 15:16 "you did not choose Me, but I chose you". God is so very kind to give a consistent message!

Free will is absent in the New Testament as an innate human ability. I covered the absense of free will from the NT previously, so "free will" is not from God as well as it is proven deceit respecting choosing God; therefore, people who claim to have "free will" are attempting to steal God's glory! Previous posts with Biblical citations for this paragraph are below.

"For many are called, but few [are] chosen" declared the Lord Jesus (Matthew 22:14). Again, previous posts are below with the Word of God revealing that He came for His elect - His chosen.

The relationship of repentance in man with God is covered in a post link below. Spoiler alert: repentance in man is of God,

A person that does not understand the Sovereignty of God in salvation cannot believe in the Author and Perfector of the Faith once delivered to the saints for with man it is impossible to be saved but with God all things are possible (Matthew 19:25:26).

You persist in placing yourself in the category that by your free will you chose Jesus.

Lord Jesus says believers are unable to choose God, and only God can choose believers out of the world (John 15:16-19).

You were dismissive of the posts revealing Truth earlier in this thread, so I asked you politely to read the posts in which the Word of God explains that God alone chooses the believer unto salvation (which are at the bottom of this very post as well, please read them). It appears you continue to avoid reading those posts.

Your persistent confession of a lie (claim to choose God) and your intentional avoidance of the Word of God and your continued teaching of the evil "free will" doctrine - all indicate that you are a wolf in sheep's clothing (Matthew 7:15-18).

The Word of God, quoted in the following links, reveals that freewill is a treacherously rebellious and damnable lie.

These posts of this thread remain true, accurate, legitimate, legal, and Godly:

- "The Righteous Sovereignty Of God Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread)

- "The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

- "The Repentance Is From God Not Conjured Up In Man By Man Post" (in this thread)

- "The Biblical Definition of Disciple Includes More People Than The 12 Apostles Post" (in this thread)

- "The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post" (in this thread)

- "Lord Jesus Describes Part Of His Essence/Character - God Alone Chooses In Salvation Doctrine Post" (in this thread)

The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit!

You know what's glaringly inconsistent about these people @Kermos?

In one instance they claim in the OT the saints were saved by keeping the Law.

In another instance they MISuse Joshua 24:15 as some sort of Gospel salvation via choosing.

Utterly inconsistent and patently false.

You nailed Joshua 24:15 too brother. If they would bother to read what was actually said, well, then they wouldn't be adding to the text via their tradition.

Now, expecting any of these to concede and admit their errors on all counts here is an unrealistic expectation. Preaching the true Gospel to them is sadly of no avail as they're still fighting for the self-righteousness of what they did to choose themselves into heaven, seeing themselves as able and loving God...all while lost. Sounds just like a certain group in the OT times right before the resurrection.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

LOL
@Preacher4Truth always tells me I take scripture out of context.
(which is not true, of course).

Seems like it's going around!

Oh, it's true alright. You have to in order to establish your self-righteousness, free will, and false gospel.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Could he entertain the concept or idea that he could be wrong? Yes. He was once a free will believer like I was. Yet, now he holds to the doctrines of grace. So yes to that question. :)

Yes, once I saw I was incorrect, after simply reading Scripture through opened eyes, I got on my knees beside the bed and praised God as God. What a glorious thing it was he has shown me, you, many others! He is GOD and people are offended by that fact and call our most loving and gracious God a "monster."

 

[Preacher4Truth]

But he also said the same thing in 1 Timothy 1:15. He said he was the foremost of all sinners. He was speaking in the present tense, too.

Yep.