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A short study I had written and previously posted on the subject of predestination based on God's foreknowledge.

Predestination (based upon the foreknowledge of God)

Premise:
God knows the beginning and the end, so therefore he must also know all that will occur within the entire expanse of time including everything that will occur in the middle, between the beginning and the end of time.

Predestination as discussed in the bible (below passages) can therefore be easily explained when taking into consideration the foreknowledge that God possesses as also noted in scripture, which factor is germane to the proper understanding of predestination but is most often, if not always, overlooked and not considered when examining/discussing predestination.

Further, based upon God’s foreknowledge, all things must therefore then be already determined (destiny/fate); how can they not be if God knows the future? How can God know the future if it is fluid, dynamic, and changes, unless such fluidity and change is part of His foreknowledge, which it obviously must be? If things were fluid, dynamic, and/or random and subject to unexpected or unknown constant change to God, God would not know what was going to happen in the future and would not be able nor have been able to predict future events through His prophets. So, if God does know what will happen in the future, the future must already be set or determined and unchangeable (destiny/fate).

This premise further has profound implications when considering things such as prayer. This would have to then mean that God knows that you will (future) be praying for something before you pray for it. It doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t pray for it then, it simply means that the future is already known or has already been determined (due to God’s ‘foreknowledge’ of it), and your prayers, are simply fulfilling that which is already known to God and will occur as does everything else that occurs or will occur (also due to the “foreknowledge” of God). Whatever influences we think we have upon any given thing or subject through prayer or other actions, may in fact be as such, however, such influences are already known to God by His foreknowledge, and have therefore already been determined and are just the fulfillment of that which has already been determined will/should occur.

If God knows the beginning, the end, and as stated everything in between, then one can only conclude that all things have already been determined and are NOT able to be changed (destiny/fate) by prayer or anything else (once again due to the “foreknowledge” of God) and that all things that are done are so done in accordance with God’s plan and predicated upon and consistent with His “foreknowledge”. This is not to say that certain individuals were chosen first as being special or better than others and predestined accordingly, but rather means that once the plan was set into motion (the creation of all things), that the creation itself and related natural unfolding, sequential events, including the actions taken by individuals pursuant to the exercise of their own free will, would result in various things being done and events unfolding as a result thereof, but because God knows what those things will be in advance of them happening due to His “foreknowledge”, and predestination then being consistent with said “foreknowledge. Predestination then is successive to and in harmony with the “foreknowledge” of God.

Jer 1:5 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Rom 8 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

1 Pet 1:2 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Eph 1 1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
 
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Are we supposed to go round telling everyone ,who doesn’t fit in with our understanding of the word ,that they have it wrong?
Most definitely! How will they know they're wrong, if no child of God will tell them?

We read in 1Peter 3:13-16:
13) And who [is] he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?
14) But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy [are ye]: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
15) But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
16) Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation (behavior) in Christ.
Just trying to understand ,why you think what you say has eluded me?
Dear Sister R.J Perhaps the word eluded is kind of harsh. What I really meant was that you had forgotten for a moment to divulge the spiritual things that you've learned, but I see you had not really forgotten according to your post #20. My bad.

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Most definitely! How will they know they're wrong, if no child of God will tell them?
Brother, that is your interpretation of scripture.

I know i am a child of God, but, the Lord has not given me any authority, to tell people that what I believe to be God’s truth is superior to there truth of God’s word.


Scripture informs us of Gods truth....the Holy Spirit is the main informer...he witnesses Gods truth to our hearts....it’s our heart that needs to know God’s heart.
I’ve been called to show the Love Of God from within my heart...my heart represents the Fathers heart, imo...that’s my belief.
 
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What does the Bible say about Jesus' heart?
But the crowning attribute of Christ was this: His heart was spiritual. His thoughts reflected His intimate relationship with the Father. “I am in the Father and the Father is in Me,” he stated (John 14:11). His first recorded sermon begins with the words, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me” (Luke 4:18).
 

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Dear Sister @Ritajanice,

Brother, that is your interpretation of scripture.

I know i am a child of God,
but, the Lord has not given me any authority, to tell people that what I believe to be God’s truth is superior to there truth.
Sure He has!!! I gave you the scriptures of 1Peter 3:13-16, especially, read verses 15 and 16.
Scripture informs us of Gods truth....the Holy Spirit is the main informer...he witnesses Gods truth to our hearts....it’s our heart that needs to know God’s heart.
I’ve been called to show the Love Of God from within my heart...my heart represents the Fathers heart, imo...that’s my belief.
We've all been called to witness in one form or another. Whether it's the love of God or about sin. To witness is to teach!

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10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11) There is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God. (no exceptions).
12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable, there is none that doeth good no, not one.
Romans 3:10-12
Remember all those that entered the promise land were aged 20 and under!

The promise of salvation is for one parent to be saved and his household, as Joshua.

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Sure He has!!! I gave you the scriptures of 1Peter 3:13-16, especially, read verses 15 and 16.
Brother, I know you gave me the scriptures, they didn’t resonate in my heart....

I wait on the Lord for further knowledge.
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Thank you my dear friend for posting though..I know you are trying to help me see/ hear.x
 
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Brother, I know you gave me the scriptures, they didn’t resonate in my heart....

I wait on the Lord for further knowledge.
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Thank you my dear friend for posting though..I know you are trying to help me see/ hear.x
You're more than welcome, sister. We all need help in the things of God for we know in part and prophesy in part.

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A short study I had written and previously posted on the subject of predestination based on God's foreknowledge.

Predestination (based upon the foreknowledge of God)

Premise:
God knows the beginning and the end, so therefore he must also know all that will occur within the entire expanse of time including everything that will occur in the middle, between the beginning and the end of time.

Predestination as discussed in the bible (below passages) can therefore be easily explained when taking into consideration the foreknowledge that God possesses as also noted in scripture, which factor is germane to the proper understanding of predestination but is most often, if not always, overlooked and not considered when examining/discussing predestination.

Further, based upon God’s foreknowledge, all things must therefore then be already determined (destiny/fate); how can they not be if God knows the future? How can God know the future if it is fluid, dynamic, and changes, unless such fluidity and change is part of His foreknowledge, which it obviously must be? If things were fluid, dynamic, and/or random and subject to unexpected or unknown constant change to God, God would not know what was going to happen in the future and would not be able nor have been able to predict future events through His prophets. So, if God does know what will happen in the future, the future must already be set or determined and unchangeable (destiny/fate).

This premise further has profound implications when considering things such as prayer. This would have to then mean that God knows that you will (future) be praying for something before you pray for it. It doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t pray for it then, it simply means that the future is already known or has already been determined (due to God’s ‘foreknowledge’ of it), and your prayers, are simply fulfilling that which is already known to God and will occur as does everything else that occurs or will occur (also due to the “foreknowledge” of God). Whatever influences we think we have upon any given thing or subject through prayer or other actions, may in fact be as such, however, such influences are already known to God by His foreknowledge, and have therefore already been determined and are just the fulfillment of that which has already been determined will/should occur.

If God knows the beginning, the end, and as stated everything in between, then one can only conclude that all things have already been determined and are NOT able to be changed (destiny/fate) by prayer or anything else (once again due to the “foreknowledge” of God) and that all things that are done are so done in accordance with God’s plan and predicated upon and consistent with His “foreknowledge”. This is not to say that certain individuals were chosen first as being special or better than others and predestined accordingly, but rather means that once the plan was set into motion (the creation of all things), that the creation itself and related natural unfolding, sequential events, including the actions taken by individuals pursuant to the exercise of their own free will, would result in various things being done and events unfolding as a result thereof, but because God knows what those things will be in advance of them happening due to His “foreknowledge”, and predestination then being consistent with said “foreknowledge. Predestination then is successive to and in harmony with the “foreknowledge” of God.

Jer 1:5 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Rom 8 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

1 Pet 1:2 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Eph 1 1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Yes, all God's works were finished from the foundation of the world, and then God rested in them.
Not that God no longer works, just that the plans and purposes of God, He determined at the beginning of the creation, all the works that He would do.
This is because God is the LORD of all creation, so then the designer, and all things are for, to, of, and through Him.
God has His plans and purposes, which ultimately cannot be resisted, as Paul says for who has resisted His will?

Hebrews 4

The Promise of Rest​

1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, [a]not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”

although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if [b]Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
 

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His People He foreknew !


Rom 11:1-2

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

Now who are this people God foreknew ? Its all His People He foreknew in Christ, those Chosen in Him before the world began, whether jews or gentiles. Jesus their redeemer was foreknew for them specifically as their redeemer 1 Pet 1:18-20

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

The word foreordained proginōskō is the same word for foreknew in Rom 11:2

These people God chose in union with Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

The prep in denotes "inclusion within"

So His People He foreknew are those who He chose in Him who was the foreknew, foreordained one, their redeemer who would be in time manifested for them.

Those Whom God foreknew, His People, had a Eternal Union with Christ, by His own doing !
 
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His People He foreknew !


Rom 11:1-2

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

Now who are this people God foreknew ? Its all His People He foreknew in Christ, those Chosen in Him before the world began, whether jews or gentiles. Jesus their redeemer was foreknew for them specifically as their redeemer 1 Pet 1:18-20

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

The word foreordained proginōskō is the same word for foreknew in Rom 11:2

These people God chose in union with Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

The prep in denotes "inclusion within"

So His People He foreknew are those who He chose in Him who was the foreknew, foreordained one, their redeemer who would be in time manifested for them.

Those Whom God foreknew, His People, had a Eternal Union with Christ, by His own doing !
God determined all His works He would do, finished all His works in the first week of the creation, and then He rested in them.
So yes, we who believe were then chosen in Him from the beginning.
Ephesians 1

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,

To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:

2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Redemption in Christ​

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He [a]made us accepted in the Beloved.
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God determined who would be chosen in Him from the foundation of creation.
Which then required us to trust ourselves to Him in our own time, thus sealing the deal.
Which of course we would, as the work of God is that you believe in Him whom He sent.
And that all that are taught and learn from the Father come to Christ.

But until we receive Him we don't have the recognized legal right to be the children of God, recognized by everything that exists in this universe, even though in reality we are in the love of God, the principalities and spiritual powers don't know it yet, only God knows whom He will save.
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13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

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John 1
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His [c]own, and His [d]own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.