Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

[Runningman]

Consider this:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

He/Word/Christ is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
All things were created through Him and for Him.
And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

Yes I have read these and have considered them. I have pretty firm ideas about what I believe they are talking about. They're good verses.

 

[Runningman]

@Runningman

Where does God exist???

But will God indeed dwell on the earth?
Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You.
How much less this temple which I have built! 1Kings 8:27

I believe God exists everywhere or can be somewhere specific.

 

[St. SteVen]

I believe the answer is that they would say one can't be saved without the tenets of Calvinism, at least that would be the argument.

So tragic what Christianity has busied itself with. Arguing about man-made doctrines...
When we should have been seeking an intimate relationship with God.

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[amigo de christo]

So tragic what Christianity has busied itself with. Arguing about man-made doctrines...
When we should have been seeking an intimate relationship with God.

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So tragic it is that much of christainity has been focused on man made doctrines
rather than biblical truth .
There is no intimate relationship with GOD with those who twist and despise His words .
Those who are HIS would have the love of GOD , FOR GOD CHRIST above all
then to love one another as CHRIST loved . not as do the world which is one man PLEASING
thing . We need to look at our so called version of love that many do follow .
CAUSE IT SURE SEEMS to OMIT TRUTH to appease MAN and his sin and sins .
THE LOVE OF GOD DOES NO SUCH THING .
Many seek to please man , NOT GOD . That is why their doctrine and pratices allow for sin
, wont correct bad doctrine , wont correct sin and error and NOW wont even correct UNBELIEF .
MEN PLEASERS to gain numbers .
But if were to please man i would NOT be the servant of CHRIST . WE BESS get in the bible .

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
So tragic what Christianity has busied itself with. Arguing about man-made doctrines...
When we should have been seeking an intimate relationship with God.

So tragic it is that much of christainity has been focused on man made doctrines
rather than biblical truth .

What is biblical truth? There is no consensus.
Everyone has their own opinions about it.
You can claim that you get your doctrine from the Bible,
but so does everyone else. There is no consensus.
Only opinions.

There is no intimate relationship with GOD with those who twist and despise His words .

If that is true, then NO ONE has an intimate relationship with God.
I hope you don't believe that. You have created your own personal standard
for what constitutes twisting and despising "His words".
You condemn everyone who doesn't fall in line with your personal opinions.

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[St. SteVen]

So tragic it is that much of christainity has been focused on man made doctrines
rather than biblical truth .

What makes a doctrine false?

Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks.

1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response)

2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it)

3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church would say it is false)

4. Doesn't align with your personal doctrine (your views differ)

5. YOUR "Bible" says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)

6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)

7. Everyone knows it's false. (except those who believe it)


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[Runningman]

So tragic what Christianity has busied itself with. Arguing about man-made doctrines...
When we should have been seeking an intimate relationship with God.

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I think it’s possible to become so absorbed in doctrines because we can control them, argue about them, and bend them to our will. We can’t do the same with God. We cannot control God or tell Him what to do. I believe only those who truly love God will approach Him, for He is both kind and strict. He desires a certain level of respect and a particular disposition of heart, mind, and soul toward Him. He wants praise and worship, and He is seeking those who will offer it in the way He desires. God is truly a fascinating being to me because He's so holy, righteous, wise, and strict yet also loving, kind, and patient.

 

[amigo de christo]

St. SteVen said:
So tragic what Christianity has busied itself with. Arguing about man-made doctrines...
When we should have been seeking an intimate relationship with God.

What is biblical truth? There is no consensus.
Everyone has their own opinions about it.
You can claim that you get your doctrine from the Bible,
but so does everyone else. There is no consensus.
Only opinions.


If that is true, then NO ONE has an intimate relationship with God.
I hope you don't believe that. You have created your own personal standard
for what constitutes twisting and despising "His words".
You condemn everyone who doesn't fall in line with your personal opinions.

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NO deal .

 

[amigo de christo]

St. SteVen said:
So tragic what Christianity has busied itself with. Arguing about man-made doctrines...
When we should have been seeking an intimate relationship with God.

What is biblical truth? There is no consensus.
Everyone has their own opinions about it.
You can claim that you get your doctrine from the Bible,
but so does everyone else. There is no consensus.
Only opinions.


If that is true, then NO ONE has an intimate relationship with God.
I hope you don't believe that. You have created your own personal standard
for what constitutes twisting and despising "His words".
You condemn everyone who doesn't fall in line with your personal opinions.

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You done sold out friend . I KNOW what you beleive , I know the lie you cling to and hold onto desiring
with all your heart and mind for it to be true .
GET IN THE BIBLE friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

What makes a doctrine false?

Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks.

1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response)

2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it)

3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church would say it is false)

4. Doesn't align with your personal doctrine (your views differ)

5. YOUR "Bible" says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)

6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)

7. Everyone knows it's false. (except those who believe it)


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NO deal . get in the bible .

 

[St. SteVen]

NO deal . get in the bible .

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[amigo de christo]

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Before the cock crow ye shall deny me . Many within chrisrtendom have DENIED HIM
and follow a false version of love they believe is of GOD but its of the world and unto the dark one they do cling .
My advice stands . GET IN the bible for yourself .
ANY man , INCLUDING ME , that comes and says YE cannot understand it LEST YE SIT UNDER ME and etc
IS A LIAR . a LIAR . GET in the bible for yourself .
You are well infected with the love that came ofthe world yet believe its the love of GOD .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Before the cock crow ye shall deny me . Many within chrisrtendom have DENIED HIM
and follow a false version of love they believe is of GOD but its of the world and unto the dark one they do cling .
My advice stands . GET IN the bible for yourself .
ANY man , INCLUDING ME , that comes and says YE cannot understand it LEST YE SIT UNDER ME and etc
IS A LIAR . a LIAR . GET in the bible for yourself .
You are well infected with the love that came ofthe world yet believe its the love of GOD .

@amigo de christo
You know what I say to that false doctrine? NO DEAL!

 

[David in NJ]

I think it’s possible to become so absorbed in doctrines because we can control them, argue about them, and bend them to our will. We can’t do the same with God. We cannot control God or tell Him what to do. I believe only those who truly love God will approach Him, for He is both kind and strict. He desires a certain level of respect and a particular disposition of heart, mind, and soul toward Him. He wants praise and worship, and He is seeking those who will offer it in the way He desires. God is truly a fascinating being to me because He's so holy, righteous, wise, and strict yet also loving, kind, and patient.

I believe only those who truly love God will approach Him,

@St. SteVen

In what way do we approach God?

 

[David in NJ]

@St. SteVen @Runningman

In what way do we approach God?

 

[IronMaiden]

@amigo de christo
You know what I say to that false doctrine? NO DEAL!

Me too. NO DEAL!

 

[amigo de christo]

Me too. NO DEAL!

Dance a jig of praise unto the glorious LORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo
You know what I say to that false doctrine? NO DEAL!

The litmus test . To know whether a man loves truth or not .
SEE how they treat the bible . DO they as a child simply believe what is written
OR DO THEYS TWIST THINGS and omit things . the latter; a lover of truth DOES NOT DO .

 

[amigo de christo]

Me too. NO DEAL!

a man can come and cliam to know and to love and to embrace TRUTH , to embrace GOD , even claim to embrace Christ
but you watch how that man treats the bible . DO HE OMIT THINGS , or do he simply love and embrace the truth .
NOw it is true one might not understand all , BUT If one omits and twists , SOMETHING WRONG friend . something wrong .

 

[amigo de christo]

Me too. NO DEAL!

If a man cometh and sounds like the greatest orator of all
and yet His words , his cleverly wrapped greek , or whatever ,
twists and omits THE WORDS OF JESUS , NO DEAL .