Abortion

[BreadOfLife]

>>BreadOfLife said: You're out of your league, pal . . .

Luke 1:44
For behold, when the sound of your greeting came to my ears, the BABY IN MY WOMB leaped for joy.

The Greek word used here is βρεπηοσ (bref'-os)
Definition: 1) an UNBORN CHILD 2) a new-born CHILD, an INFANT, a BABE

Imagine that - an unborn CHILD, moved by the Holy Spirit to recognize the Savior, while still in the womb.

Gee - sounds to ME like Scripture is a "nuisance" for YOU . . .

Seems that you missed a couple definitions from brefos like: embryo and foetus. A convenient mistake on your part. Brefos is a very unspecific general term covering a wide area.

>>an unborn CHILD, moved by the Holy Spirit to recognize the Savior, while still in the womb.
The fetus Elizabeth was carrying, like that of the fetus Mary was carrying, were not at all going to be a new "Living Being". Jesus and the fetus Elizabeth was carrying had been old buddies for the past 900 years!

Elizabeth was carrying Elijah, who would be named John; And Mary was carrying Melchizidek, would be named Jesus.

The disciples did not realize that it was Elijah "His disciples asked Him, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things; but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wanted. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist." Matt 17:10-13

These miraculous events have nothing to do with birth of a new living being into the world.

Jesus is Mechisedel? WRONG agaim.
Now, you've added blasphemy to your heresy.

Secondly all - Scripture don't teach reincarnation.
Also, Heb. 9:27 states emphatically:
Heb. 9:27
And just as it is appointed for man to die ONCE, and after that comes judgment,

And, eve IF reincarnation were true - Elijah is NOT a candidate because he NEVER DIED. 2 Kings 2:9-18, tells ud that Elijah was taken up BODILY into heaven without seeing death, so he ius STILL incarnate.

Besides - Jesus said this after the Transfiguration, Soooooo, why didn't John the Baptist appear with Moses??
Answer: Because Jesus was speaking figuratively about Elihah and John the Baptist, comparing their prophetic ministrues.

So, John the Baptist, moved by the Holy Spirit and fulled with JOY in his UNBORN state, in his mother's WOMB was able to recognize the Savior in HIS mother's womb.
You LOSE this argument because you have to pervert Scripture to make your points.

Your bizarre belief n reincarnation is just another example of your confusion . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

If it doesn't say anything about oxygen, then there would be no basis to exclude oxygen from the Breath of Life.

It's not even referring to "Oxygen".
It is referring to LIFE itself.

You missed the ENYTIRE point of Gen. 2:7 . . .

 

[Taken]

Very good question!

It’s not a matter of life...it’s a matter of the expectation of born and person.
You can kill a developing life, a life, without killing a person.

Born of water = individual receives a soul, (vessel) with Gods Breath of LIFE.
Born of the Spirit = individual receives a new heart, (vessel) with Gods SEED.

Person is an earthly man-kind (male of female) terrestrial, with living body and soul in the body.
Living souls, depart dead body’s and that body is no longer called a person.


John 3:
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

 

[Stan B]

Jesus is Mechisedel? WRONG agaim.
Now, you've added blasphemy to your heresy.

Secondly all - Scripture don't teach reincarnation.
Also, Heb. 9:27 states emphatically:
Heb. 9:27
And just as it is appointed for man to die ONCE, and after that comes judgment,

And, eve IF reincarnation were true - Elijah is NOT a candidate because he NEVER DIED. 2 Kings 2:9-18, tells ud that Elijah was taken up BODILY into heaven without seeing death, so he ius STILL incarnate.

Besides - Jesus said this after the Transfiguration, Soooooo, why didn't John the Baptist appear with Moses??
Answer: Because Jesus was speaking figuratively about Elihah and John the Baptist, comparing their prophetic ministrues.

So, John the Baptist, moved by the Holy Spirit and fulled with JOY in his UNBORN state, in his mother's WOMB was able to recognize the Savior in HIS mother's womb.
You LOSE this argument because you have to pervert Scripture to make your points.

Your bizarre belief n reincarnation is just another example of your confusion . . .

I have no idea what reincarnation has to do with this topic.
For those familiar with Scripture (and basic English) know that the applicable term for Jesus and Elijah is "incarnation". They were brought back to earth in human form.

"For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh by being incarnate, so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.…" Rom 8:3

Therefore, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you ...
... fruit to God. So, my brethren, to you also the Law died through the incarnation of Christ, that you might be wedded to Another, namely to Him who rose from ..." Romans 7:4

As for your idiotic comment on Melchizedek, I am not going to waste time responding to that ridiculous comment!! Try the Bible for a change!

 

[Stan B]

It’s not a matter of life...it’s a matter of the expectation of born and person.
You can kill a developing life, a life, without killing a person.

Born of water = individual receives a soul, (vessel) with Gods Breath of LIFE.
Born of the Spirit = individual receives a new heart, (vessel) with Gods SEED.

Person is an earthly man-kind (male of female) terrestrial, with living body and soul in the body.
Living souls, depart dead body’s and that body is no longer called a person.


John 3:
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

An interesting perspective on the soul, but that it is born of water, that would mean that the soul would have to return to dust upon death?? I have never been able to figure out where the soul fits in, but the best I have been able to come up with, is that when God Breathes into us HIS spirit, that at the same time He gives us OUR spirit; our soul, the essence of the being we are! The being who lives in an earthly tent, and looks forward to living in a Heavenly dwelling.

 

[Taken]

I have no idea what reincarnation has to do with this topic.
For those familiar with Scripture (and basic English) know that the applicable term for Jesus and Elijah is "incarnation". They were brought back to earth in human form.

Jesus, OT name unknown.
Elijah (Hebrew name), Elias (Greek name).

Mark 9:
[2] And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
[3] And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
[4] And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

As for your idiotic comment on Melchizedek, I am not going to waste time responding to that ridiculous comment!! Try the Bible for a change!

Gen 14:
[18] And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
[19] And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
[20] And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Heb 7:
[1] For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
[2] To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
[3] Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

John 8:
[56] Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
[57] Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
[58] Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

 

[Jack]

It’s not a matter of life...it’s a matter of the expectation of born and person.
You can kill a developing life, a life, without killing a person.

Born of water = individual receives a soul, (vessel) with Gods Breath of LIFE.
Born of the Spirit = individual receives a new heart, (vessel) with Gods SEED.

Person is an earthly man-kind (male of female) terrestrial, with living body and soul in the body.
Living souls, depart dead body’s and that body is no longer called a person.


John 3:
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Not a matter of life? Then WHO was squirming in my wife for weeks?

 

[Taken]

An interesting perspective on the soul, but that it is born of water, that would mean that the soul would have to return to dust upon death?? I have never been able to figure out where the soul fits in, but the best I have been able to come up with, is that when God Breathes into us HIS spirit, that at the same time He gives us OUR spirit; our soul, the essence of the being we are! The being who lives in an earthly tent, and looks forward to living in a Heavenly dwelling.

The body is born of water. The soul (vessel) with Gods Breath of Life, is blown INTO the born body.

The body’s LIFE is BLOOD.
When the body’s LIFE (blood) ceases flowing, or drains from the body, the body dies....rots, returns to dust.
The Living soul (with Gods LIFE), departs the dead body.
The saved Living soul is escorted to Heaven to wait in comfort for judgement.
The unsaved Living soul is sent to Hell to wait in torments for judgement.

God IS Spirit....
and the soul with Gods Breath is blown into a Natural born man.
Gods Breath can also be Blown “UPON” a man, as Jesus did with His Apostles, before they were “born again”.
A man receiving Gods SEED, does so when Gods Spirit ENTERS a man.
The circumcision comes into to the order...BEFORE a man receives Gods SEED..
The circumcision has to do with the “heart”...(vessel).
The heart is circumcised, and the man given a “new heart”, in preparation for Gods SEED, to be planted, grow, and what is Growing is “Gods TRUTH”.
IOW, the mans Truth in his heart, is being changed from natural, to supernatural....Seed planted, fed, nurtured with Gods truth....called the Spirit of truth.

 

[Taken]

Not a matter of life? Then WHO was squirming in my wife for weeks?

A developing fetus, dependent on life (blood) of the mother.

Not a born human, separated from mothers LIFE, receives Gods Breath of life.
Not a living person. Until its born,
(severed from mothers life (blood) and received GodsLife (soul).

 

[Jack]

A developing fetus, dependent on life (blood) of the mother.

Not a born human, separated from mothers LIFE, receives Gods Breath of life.
Not a living person. Until its born,
(severed from mothers life (blood) and received GodsLife (soul).

Why kill "it"? Clearly the answer is $$$.

 

[Adventageous]

Elizabeth was carrying Elijah, who would be named John; And Mary was carrying Melchizidek, would be named Jesus.

Pardon, are you, by saying what you have, teaching that the Bible teaches re-incarnation, or soul re-cycling?

 

[Taken]

Why kill it? Clearly the answer is $$$.

I haven’t killed any fetus’, so clearly I’m not the one to ask that question.
However if you are familiar with the world power sitters agenda, their goal is to downsize the world population, by all means possible.

 

[Jack]

I haven’t killed any fetus’, so clearly I’m not the one to ask that question.
However if you are familiar with the world power sitters agenda, their goal is to downsize the world population, by all means possible.

But you are agreeing with some of the worst people who ever lived who get RICH killing them!

 

[Taken]

But you are agreeing with some of the worst people who ever lived who get RICH killing them!

Don’t be vague what are you talking about?

 

[Jack]

Don’t be vague what are you talking about?

I've not been "vague" at all. Why kill them??? I've asked the question several times but pro killers won't answer! Do you really want to be in the same sinking ship with Stan on Judgment Day?

 

[MatthewG]

I just gone watching a criminal integration of a baby sitter that abused a child ; that ended up dying from brain injury…

So I mean… choices is life is all you ever have.

Good or bad.

Jesus is the only one whom can change the heart.

And thank God, Yeshua paid for the sins of all the world.

 

[MatthewG]

you know I never killed anyone physically before


But I have in my heart

Surely at some point you did that to someone yourself

1 John 3:15
Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.


Anyway just know that circumstances and pressure of the world can make you do things that seem right but even people who have had abortions can still come to christ


Yes people go choose to do what they will; even work in those places

But apparently they exist for some reason.

You’ll never solve social ills so there is no reason to fight against it. But accept that is simply how things are and people choose to do them.

I remembered on a radio station a person that was on moody radio a woman that said in the past she had abortion but later in life came to Christ.


Are you sure you know Gods love for all people? No matter what they have done in life and how he desires for them to simply turn to the son? Think about it.

May the God of peace be with you:

 

[Taken]

I've not been "vague" at all.
Do you really want to be in the same sinking ship with Stan on Judgment Day?

False accuser.
Not once have you quoted me saying I have killed a fetus, or agree with killing a fetus.

Do you really want to be on the sinking ship with FALSE ACCUSERS?

 

[BreadOfLife]

If it doesn't say anything about oxygen, then there would be no basis to exclude oxygen from the Breath of Life.

This ia a ridiculous and desperate agument.

Soooo, because it doesn't mention "oxygen" - you are free to insert any word you want?
The "Breath oof life" describec in Gen. 2:7 is claeralt referring to LIFE itself and NOT about Adam's functioning lungs.

 

[Stan B]

Pardon, are you, by saying what you have, teaching that the Bible teaches re-incarnation, or soul re-cycling?

Jesus and Elijah were incarnated, not
re-incarnated.

“By sending his own Son in the form of humanity, he condemned sin by being incarnate, For God achieved what the law could not do because it was weakened through the flesh ... “
Romans 8:3