Abortion

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The Bible is VERY clear on what happens to an aborted fetus. It does not become a living being until the Spirit of God "Breathes into its Nostrils the Breath of Life."

"Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." Gen 2:7

As James confirms: "For as the body apart from the spirit is dead" James 2:26
Job confirms the Genesis account:
“Behold, I belong to God like you;
I too have been formed out of the clay."
“The Spirit of God has made me,
And the breath of the Almighty gives me life." Job 33

"Till I die I will not put away my integrity from me.
For as long as life is in me,
And the breath of God is in my nostrils" Job 27

Life only exists while the
Breath/Spirit of God is in their nostrils, after they exit the womb until they enter the grave, at which time the Spirit returns to God who gave it. Eccl 12
Death involves the same things, but in reverse order:
1.. Man's body returns to the dust from whence it came;
2. And the spirit returns to God who gave it. Ecclesiastes 12:7

Yes...birth of form-ed man...receives soul (vessel), Gods Breath in soul into form-ed mans nostrils.

Yes...man (form/body) and soul Called by the identity of the mans Name.

Yes...when Body’s life (blood) dies...living soul departs dead body.

Example...
Rachel, wife of Jacob, died during delivery of son Benjamin. Her soul departed, her body buried.
Gen 35:
[18] And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Ben-oni: but his father called him Benjamin.
[19] And Rachel died, and was buried in the way to Ephrath, which is Bethlehem.

Example...
Elijah sojourned at a widows house. Widows boy falls sick, dies. Elijah prays God to return the boy’s soul to him, God does, boys bodily life resumes.
1 Kings 17:
[17] And it came to pass after these things, that the son of the woman, the mistress of the house, fell sick; and his sickness was so sore, that there was no breath left in him.
[18] And she said unto Elijah, What have I to do with thee, O thou man of God? art thou come unto me to call my sin to remembrance, and to slay my son?
[19] And he said unto her, Give me thy son. And he took him out of her bosom, and carried him up into a loft, where he abode, and laid him upon his own bed.
[20] And he cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, hast thou also brought evil upon the widow with whom I sojourn, by slaying her son?
[21] And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again.
[22] And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.
[23] And Elijah took the child, and brought him down out of the chamber into the house, and delivered him unto his mother: and Elijah said, See, thy son liveth.

Example ...
Luke 16: 19 - 31

Abraham has died and body was buried. (Gen 25: 8,9)
A rich man has died and body was buried. (Luke 16: 22)

In Hell, betwix a dividing great gulf, the rich man and Abraham are having a conversation....or more to the fact....the rich man and Abraham’s Departed Living souls are having a conversation.

In Luke 16...the senses that were in a mans body, now departed out of a mans body are on display for living men to know....
Seeing, hearing, speaking, tasting, touching, continues alive, with Gods Breath of Life, in a mans departed living soul....at the very least...
until Judgement Day.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Illuminator]

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[Taken]

That means it's ok to kill a baby a minute before it's born? Good luck on Judgment Day!

Come on Jack.

You obviously know nothing about unborn babies. Do you also promote partial birth abortion?

You are going extreme.

Discussing WHEN and HOW a man receives a soul with Gods Breath of Life....does not translate to mean being an abortion advocate.

Standing for Liberty to Choose ones own direction, beliefs, lifestyle....
does not translate to mean being an homosexual advocate.

 

[Jack]

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No wonder America is on death's door!

 

[Jack]

Come on Jack.

You are going extreme.

Discussing WHEN and HOW a man receives a soul with Gods Breath of Life....does not translate to mean being an abortion advocate.

Standing for Liberty to Choose ones own direction, beliefs, lifestyle....
does not translate to mean being an homosexual advocate.

You said "a fetus is not a person". How do you know that? That sounds like an "extreme" Liberal. Tell us when a fetus becomes a person.

 

[Stan B]

Defending unborn babies makes me an "antiBiblical cult"? Such irony indeed.

That means it's ok to kill a baby a minute before it's born? Good luck on Judgment Day!

You obviously know nothing about unborn babies. Do you also promote partial birth abortion?

I have never heard of an unborn baby. In the language I speak, a baby is defined as one who has been born . . . like on their birthday. Anything within a womb, after 8 weeks is defined as a fetus.
Do I promote a partial-birth abortion, whatever that is: No! I don't promote any kind of abortion. What is there to promote?

I only promote Scripture, and nowhere does it disapprove of abortion. I like its idea of FREEDOM! And what someone else does is none of my business. Controlling what other people with their lives do is a demonic Taliban, Ayatollah, Evangelical, Republican religion led by the same spirit
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[Taken]

You said "a fetus is not a person". When do they become a person?

Already mention this to you.
When they are;
An individual human being consisting of body and soul.

 

[Jack]

I have never heard of an unborn baby.

Well now you have! There are millions of them. Sad to say the Dems will make a fortune from killing many of them.

In the language I speak, a baby is defined as one who has been born . . . like on their birthday. Anything within a womb, after 8 weeks is defined as a fetus.
Do I promote a partial-birth abortion, whatever that is: No! I don't promote any kind of abortion. What is there to promote?
I only promote Scripture, and nowhere does it disapprove of abortion. I like its idea of FREEDOM! And what someone else doesn't is none of my business. Controlling what other people with their lives do is a Taliban, Ayatollah, Evangelical, Republican religion led by the same spirit.

I hope you receive more mercy than you give on Judgment Day. Let them live. Don't kill them.

 

[Jack]

Already mention this to you.
When they are;
An individual human being consisting of body and soul.

They are unborn babies, not fetuses. Let them live!

 

[Illuminator]

We know what the word “sacrifice” means. It means the surrender of something precious to the god in whom a person believes. Sacrifices have been part of world religions since the dawn of recorded history. Without exception, the deities of all the religions of the ancient world demanded sacrifices in their honor. The Egyptians and Babylonians, the Greeks and Romans, the deities of pre-Christian India and of the continent of Africa required that their adherents offer what we call sacrifices in their name.

What is less well known, however, is that these religions also required the sacrifice of children as an oblation and even as a condition, for obtaining blessings from the gods. We read in the Office of Readings for today’s Divine Office that the Lord spoke through the prophet Jeremiah, charging the Jews of imitating the pagans in their practice of child homicide. Said the Lord, “They have built high places for Baal to immolate their sons in fire as holocausts to Baal: such a thing as I neither commanded nor spoke of, nor did it ever enter my mind.”

As we read statements like foregoing, we ask ourselves: how could human beings be so deluded as to seriously believe that their gods required human sacrifice as a condition for receiving divine favors? The key word is “deluded.” Thirty years of teaching comparative religion has taught me that there is no limit to the irrational, indeed insane, practices that religious mythology will not put into practice as a mandate from the deities in whom they believed. Thus we read in the history of the Aztecs in South America before Columbus that they would kill up to ten thousand children on a major feastday in honor of one of their gods. Although seldom mentioned, infanticide as a religious ritual was practiced in India before its colonization by Great Britain.

We return to the theses that should be explored far beyond the time we can give it in this conference. Abortion as the widespread practice that it has become today is incredibly a religious practice. It is inspired by the evil spirits who, in Christian terms, were and are the malignant deities of paganism. These deities, often goddesses, demanded the sacrifice of children to be propitiated. Unless children were killed and offered to these gods, they would avenge their anger against the people in the most devastating ways.

As believing Catholics, we know that behind the murder of unborn children is the superhuman mind and malevolent will of Satan and his minions. To know this is to also know that only divine power is a match for the demonic power behind abortion. This divine power is the power of the God who became man in order, as He told us, to conquer the devil as master of the world.

How did Christ provide for the conquest of Satan and his agents? He did so by dying on the cross. The one who died on Calvary was man, but this man was the living God. On these premises, Calvary is the divine sacrifice because it was God who assumed a human body and a human soul which could separate in a human death on Good Friday. Except for this divine sacrifice of Jesus Christ there would be no hope for the human race.

However, let us be clear. Christ did die for our salvation. He shed His blood on Calvary. In that sense, He completed the mission given to Him by His Father. But really that was only the beginning. By His sacrifice on Calvary, He won for us the title to the graces we need to reach our eternal destiny. But this same Jesus Christ made sure that these graces would be communicated to mankind until the end of time. The principal channel (not an exclusive channel) of these graces is the Sacrifice of the Mass.

The graces which Christ pours out on a sinful world through the daily offering of Mass are the graces which a homicidal world needs to return to its worship of the one true God, and cease committing the crimes of abortion which are really acts of worship of the evil deities who we know are the evil spirits.

The Sacrifice of the Mass, therefore, provides us with the light and strength we need to live sacrificial lives. But we must use these graces and really live lives of sacrifice. If we do, and in the measure that we do, we shall obtain for the agents of death the miraculous graces they need to abandon their idolatry and return to the worship of the one true God.

Our faith tells us that the Sacrifice of the Mass is at once the sacrifice of Christ and our sacrifice, too. Christ has done all that He could by dying on the cross. We must do all that we can to follow in His footsteps and die to ourselves out of love for Him.

Fr. Hardon Archives - Abortion as Pagan Sacrifice

We know what the word "sacrifice" means. It means the surrender of something precious to the god in whom a person believes. Sacrifices have been part of world religions since the dawn of recorded history. Without exception, the deities of all the religions of the ancient world demanded...

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You said "a fetus is not a person". How do you know that? That sounds like an "extreme" Liberal. Tell us when a fetus becomes a person.

The simple fact....knowing what a conjunction is and what it means.
The simple fact....knowing what a suffix is and what it means.
The more in-depth fact....Scriptural study.

Showed this to you also.
Gen 2:
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

additionally...
Gen 2:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Additionally...
John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Creation and MAKING are not the same thing.
Creat-ed is a completed process.
Made is an AFFECT God does to a Creat-ED thing...giving the man thing LIFE.

A MAN is an INDIVIDUAL.
A fetus connected to its mother, for nourishment and waste purposes is not an INDIVIDUAL.

Jesus impressed BORN (of water) and BORN AGAIN (of spirit) as the Requirements to ENTER His Kingdom.

Even the listeners hearing Jesus knew what born of water meant, and were puzzled, if Jesus meant they had to re-enter their mothers womb to be born again.

 

[Jack]

The simple fact....knowing what a conjunction is and what it means.
The simple fact....knowing what a suffix is and whaat it means.
The more in-depth fact....Scriptural study.

Showed this to you also.
Gen 2:
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

additionally...
Gen 2:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Additionally...
John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Creation and MAKING are not the same thing.
Creat-ed is a completed process.
Made is an AFFECT God does to a Creat-ED thing...giving the man thing LIFE.

A MAN is an INDIVIDUAL.
A fetus connected to its mother, for nourishment and waste purposes is not an INDIVIDUAL.

Jesus impressed BORN (of water) and BORN AGAIN (of spirit) as the Requirements to ENTER His Kingdom.

Even the listeners hearing Jesus knew what born of water meant, and were puzzled, if Jesus meant they had to re-enter their mothers womb to be born again.

Why kill them??? Let them live.

 

[Taken]

They are unborn babies, not fetuses. Let them live!

Oh good grief Jack, get a grip. Learn the difference between a fetus and a baby and having a discussion or promoting abortions.


“Let them live”...why repeat that nonsense to me? Go speak that in the ears of an abortion advocate!

Maybe get a dictionary...

fetus​

[fe´tus] (L.)
the developing young in the uterus, specifically the unborn offspring in the postembryonic period, which in humans is from the third month after fertilization until birth.

 

[Taken]

Why kill them??? Let them live.

Might want to reconsider on insisting making yourself look foolish.
Reputations form fast and easy to discredit regarding other topics.

 

[Illuminator]

Abortion and subsequent mental health: Review of the literature - PubMed

The risk that abortion may be correlated with subsequent mental disorders needs a careful assessment, in order to offer women full information when facing a difficult pregnancy. All research papers published between 1995 and 2011, were examined, to retrieve those assessing any correlation...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The risk that abortion may be correlated with subsequent mental disorders needs a careful assessment, in order to offer women full information when facing a difficult pregnancy. All research papers published between 1995 and 2011, were examined, to retrieve those assessing any correlation between abortion and subsequent mental problems.
A total of 36 studies were retrieved, and six of them were excluded for methodological bias. Depression, anxiety disorders (e.g. post-traumatic stress disorder) and substance abuse disorders were the most studied outcome.

Abortion versus childbirth:
13 studies showed a clear risk for at least one of the reported mental problems in the abortion group versus childbirth, five papers showed no difference, in particular if women do not consider their experience of fetal loss to be difficult, or if after a fetal reduction the desired fetus survives. Only one paper reported a worse mental outcome for childbearing.

Abortion versus unplanned pregnancies ending with childbirth:
four studies found a higher risk in the abortion groups and three, no difference.

Abortion versus miscarriage:
three studies showed a greater risk of mental disorders due to abortion, four found no difference and two found that short-term anxiety and depression were higher in the miscarriage group, while long-term anxiety and depression were present only in the abortion group.

In conclusion, fetal loss seems to expose women to a higher risk for mental disorders than childbirth;
some studies show that abortion can be considered a more relevant risk factor than miscarriage; more research is needed in this field.

 

[Illuminator]

Project Rachel - HopeAfterAbortion.org

 

[Jack]

Oh good grief Jack, get a grip. Learn the difference between a fetus and a baby and having a discussion or promoting abortions.


“Let them live”...why repeat that nonsense to me? Go speak that in the ears of an abortion advocate!

Maybe get a dictionary...

fetus​

[fe´tus] (L.)
the developing young in the uterus, specifically the unborn offspring in the postembryonic period, which in humans is from the third month after fertilization until birth.

Why kill them? To make Planned Parenthood richer?

 

[Nancy]

Luke 1:44
"For as soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy."

Does a "thing" do this?

 

[Jack]

How about telling us what the BIBLE says!

Why kill them? I know Planned Parenthood kills them for $$$$$. What is your reason?

 

[Taken]

Why kill them? To make Planned Parenthood richer?

Why continue to discredit yourself...blathering on and on to a non-supporter of abortions instead of you keeping fetus’ from being killed?
Get to getting....stop letting them die!