Abortion and deceit

[GEN2REV]

I know you weren't talking to me. But since you said ask, I'll ask ....how do you know?

It was a figure of speech meaning that I was speaking from my own experience.

One child aborted 2 decades ago. That is about all I care to say.


Very sad and painful to this very day.

I'm convinced that if I could somehow give all Pro-Choice advocates a small taste of the deep pain and regret that I feel, the majority of them would change their positions permanently. There's just nothing like it.

The ... fascinating? ... part is that I didn't experience the pain and regret until I was saved and received the Holy Spirit close to a decade after the event. I believe God showed it to me from His eyes, and possibly His heart. Because the depth of the spiritual reality, and emotional intensity, of it was like nothing I'd ever experienced and it is still very vivid to this day.

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

It was a figure of speech meaning that I was speaking from my own experience.

One child aborted 2 decades ago. That is about all I care to say.


Very sad and painful to this very day.

I'm convinced that if I could somehow give all Pro-Choice advocates a small taste of the deep pain and regret that I feel, the majority of them would change their positions permanently. There's just nothing like it.

The ... fascinating? ... part is that I didn't experience the pain and regret until I was saved and received the Holy Spirit close to a decade after the event. I believe God showed it to me from His eyes, and possibly His heart. Because the depth of the spiritual reality, and emotional intensity, of it was like nothing I'd ever experienced and it is still very vivid to this day.

The UCC denomination says some awful things about abortion on their website. They call it “reproductive justice,” and then write this: “As a human rights issue, reproductive justice promotes the rights of people to bear children they want to have, to not bear children, to raise the children they do have in safe and healthy environments, and express their sexuality without oppression.”

If they wrote that honestly, here is what it would sound like: “As an entitlement, access to abortion promotes the ‘right’ for women to kill their unborn babies, and it allows them to have sex without the possibility of getting pregnant.”

They couch their views in deceptive language, speaking about abortion as if it were a so-called human right. But it isn’t.

I wonder what the UCC thinks about the human rights of babies developing in the womb? I bet they believe they aren’t human and worthy of life. How tragically awful.

Read it here: Reproductive Justice - United Church of Christ

 

[JohnPaul]

The UCC denomination says some awful things about abortion on their website. They call it “reproductive justice,” and then write this: “As a human rights issue, reproductive justice promotes the rights of people to bear children they want to have, to not bear children, to raise the children they do have in safe and healthy environments, and express their sexuality without oppression.”

If they wrote that honestly, here is what it would sound like: “As an entitlement, access to abortion promotes the ‘right’ for women to kill their unborn babies, and it allows them to have sex without the possibility of getting pregnant.”

They couch their views in deceptive language, speaking about abortion as if it were a so-called human right. But it isn’t.

I wonder what the UCC thinks about the human rights of babies developing in the womb? I bet they believe they aren’t human and worthy of life. How tragically awful.

Read it here: Reproductive Justice - United Church of Christ

There can be no human rights when the killing of humans takes place, abortion is evil and a product of the devil.

 

[Jim B]

There can be no human rights when the killing of humans takes place, abortion is evil and a product of the devil.

If you knew anything about abortion you wouldn't write this. There are times and situations where abortions are necessary. Do you really want mothers to die who could have lived otherwise? Would you like to witness a child's suffering for a time because it can't survive outside the womb? Do you want to raise children created by forcible rape by a relative? Put your flawed ideology where it belongs!

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

If you knew anything about abortion you wouldn't write this. There are times and situations where abortions are necessary. Do you really want mothers to die who could have lived otherwise? Would you like to witness a child's suffering for a time because it can't survive outside the womb? Do you want to raise children created by forcible rape by a relative? Put your flawed ideology where it belongs!

I remember taking an anthropology course while I was in college. Our class studied humanity before written history. One of the things that really resounded with me was the life-span of people back in those days. The average man lived to about age 32, but the average woman only lived to age 21. This disparity was due to the fact that women could die from child birth; and they had to have a lot of kids to keep pace with life ending so early and being so precarious, so this widened the lifespan gap even further.

But let’s be fair here: We don’t live in the Stone Age or Copper Age anymore. We live in advanced societies where women can get things like C-section. How on earth could a woman possibly die from childbirth with today’s technology?

 

[GEN2REV]

If you knew anything about abortion you wouldn't write this. There are times and situations where abortions are necessary. Do you really want mothers to die who could have lived otherwise? Would you like to witness a child's suffering for a time because it can't survive outside the womb? Do you want to raise children created by forcible rape by a relative? Put your flawed ideology where it belongs!

The thing is, JB, that these are the common excuses always used to support Abortion, but in reality, they are by far the minority of reasons people abort.

The vast majority of Abortions are sheerly for the sake of convenience. People had sex and didn't intend to have a kid right now. Across the board, that is the most common reason people abort.

And that is truly the most evil aspect of Abortion being legal. It actually encourages, and promotes, the casual attitude toward sex as a no-big-deal activity which further opened the door to adolescent sex, pedophilia or sexual abuse of children, and other sexual crimes.

Also, homosexuality is a very abominable sin; the casual attitude toward sex in our world today has 100% contributed to the growing acceptance of that lifestyle, and the sinful acts it entails, in recent decades.

Legalized Abortion has contributed, without a doubt, to all manner of sexual perversions in our societies.

 

[Jim B]

CDC's statistics about women's childbirth death rates...

• Other cardiovascular conditions, 15.5%.
• Infection or sepsis, 12.7%.
• Cardiomyopathy, 11.5%.
• Hemorrhage, 10.7%.
• Thrombotic pulmonary or other embolism, 9.6%.
• Cerebrovascular accidents, 8.2%.
• Hypertensive disorders of pregnancy, 6.6%.
• Amniotic fluid embolism, 5.5%.
• Anesthesia complications, 0.4%.
• Other noncardiovascular medical conditions, 12.5%.

Here is an article about the situation: Pregnancy-Related Deaths Happen Before, During, and Up to a Year After Delivery | CDC Online Newsroom | CDC

 

[Jim B]

The thing is, JB, that these are the common excuses always used to support Abortion, but in reality, they are by far the minority of reasons people abort.

The vast majority of Abortions are sheerly for the sake of convenience. People had sex and didn't intend to have a kid right now. Across the board, that is the most common reason people abort.

And that is truly the most evil aspect of Abortion being legal. It actually encourages, and promotes, the casual attitude toward sex as a no-big-deal activity which further opened the door to adolescent sex, pedophilia or sexual abuse of children, and other sexual crimes.

Also, homosexuality is a very abominable sin; the casual attitude toward sex in our world today has 100% contributed to the growing acceptance of that lifestyle and the sinful acts it entails in recent decades.

Legalized Abortion has contributed, without a doubt, to all manner of sexual perversions in our societies.

You give no evidence other than your misguided opinion. And then you throw in other opinions that are unrelated to the subject being discussed. Anybody can throw in extraneous nonsense; it just shows your refusal to face facts.

 

[JohnPaul]

The thing is, JB, that these are the common excuses always used to support Abortion, but in reality, they are by far the minority of reasons people abort.

The vast majority of Abortions are sheerly for the sake of convenience. People had sex and didn't intend to have a kid right now. Across the board, that is the most common reason people abort.

And that is truly the most evil aspect of Abortion being legal. It actually encourages, and promotes, the casual attitude toward sex as a no-big-deal activity which further opened the door to adolescent sex, pedophilia or sexual abuse of children, and other sexual crimes.

Also, homosexuality is a very abominable sin; the casual attitude toward sex in our world today has 100% contributed to the growing acceptance of that lifestyle and the sinful acts it entails in recent decades.

Legalized Abortion has contributed, without a doubt, to all manner of sexual perversions in our societies.

Agreed.

 

[TLHKAJ]

The thing is, JB, that these are the common excuses always used to support Abortion, but in reality, they are by far the minority of reasons people abort.

The vast majority of Abortions are sheerly for the sake of convenience. People had sex and didn't intend to have a kid right now. Across the board, that is the most common reason people abort.

And that is truly the most evil aspect of Abortion being legal. It actually encourages, and promotes, the casual attitude toward sex as a no-big-deal activity which further opened the door to adolescent sex, pedophilia or sexual abuse of children, and other sexual crimes.

Also, homosexuality is a very abominable sin; the casual attitude toward sex in our world today has 100% contributed to the growing acceptance of that lifestyle and the sinful acts it entails in recent decades.

Legalized Abortion has contributed, without a doubt, to all manner of sexual perversions in our societies.

This is true. Also, abortions are often forced on girls to cover the fact they were raped by older men, and abortion clinics regularly hide these rapes for the sake of money.

In my experience, abortions are just a regular thing in the elite cult who use forced abortions as a means of traumatizing their child victims, and these abortions are considered human sacrifices.

Note, I said ...the cult uses abortions as human sacrifices. Satan knows, and they know full well that babies in the womb are alive. This is why they consider abortions as human sacrifices.

What creeps me out is a man who vehemently advocates for killing the most innocent. Something isn't right about that.

 

[GEN2REV]

This is true. Also, abortions are often forced on girls to cover the fact they were raped by older men, and abortion clinics regularly hide these rapes for the sake of money.

In my experience, abortions are just a regular thing in the elite cult who use forced abortions as a means of traumatizing their child victims, and these abortions are considered human sacrifices.

Note, I said ...the cult uses abortions as human sacrifices. Satan knows, and they know full well that babies in the womb are alive. This is why they consider abortions as human sacrifices.

What creeps me out is a man who vehemently advocates for killing the mist innocent. Something isn't right about that.

Yes, and there's even more to it than what has been mentioned thus far.

The medical industry swears on everything holy that they don't use the aborted fetuses/fetal tissues for any purpose. The reality is that it is very valuable to them for all manner of stem cell research, testing/experimentation as well as uses that you wouldn't/couldn't even imagine such as using these aborted fetus cells to make food products and artificial flavorings, etc.

Next time you're craving some ice cream, think again.

These technologies claim to have achieved flavor experiences with the taste buds that are unlike anything you've ever tasted before, and they seem to be most effective with sweet flavors. Somehow they activate the taste buds by tricking the sensory cells into sending messages about flavors that aren't really physically there.

Take a look at these lists of products that contain this fetal-flavoring technology.
https://dta0yqvfnusiq.cloudfront.ne...uman-Fetuses-in-their-Foods-5ce5f2e5eb52e.pdf

 

[TLHKAJ]

It was a figure of speech meaning that I was speaking from my own experience.

One child aborted 2 decades ago. That is about all I care to say.


Very sad and painful to this very day.

I'm convinced that if I could somehow give all Pro-Choice advocates a small taste of the deep pain and regret that I feel, the majority of them would change their positions permanently. There's just nothing like it.

The ... fascinating? ... part is that I didn't experience the pain and regret until I was saved and received the Holy Spirit close to a decade after the event. I believe God showed it to me from His eyes, and possibly His heart. Because the depth of the spiritual reality, and emotional intensity, of it was like nothing I'd ever experienced and it is still very vivid to this day.

Thank you for being willing to share your experience. I had no idea. God bless you.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Yes, and there's even more to it than what has been mentioned thus far.

The medical industry swears on everything holy that they don't use the aborted fetuses/fetal tissues for any purpose. The reality is that it is very valuable to them for all manner of stem cell research, testing/experimentation as well as uses that you wouldn't/couldn't even imagine such as using these aborted fetus cells to make food products and artificial flavorings, etc.

Next time you're craving some ice cream, think again.

These technologies claim to have achieved flavor experiences with the taste buds that are unlike anything you've ever tasted before, and they seem to be most effective with sweet flavors. Somehow they activate the taste buds by tricking the sensory cells into sending messages about flavors that aren't really physically there.

Take a look at these lists of products that contain this fetal-flavoring technology.
https://dta0yqvfnusiq.cloudfront.ne...uman-Fetuses-in-their-Foods-5ce5f2e5eb52e.pdf

Yes, and I did know about this as well. It's hideous. And I truly believe the elite cult takes pride in making cannibals out of unsuspecting consumers. It is their way of causing multitudes to partake in human sacrifices. I have experienced satanic rituals due to being born into a cult bloodline (masonic/illuminati) family, and consumption of the sacrificial victim is always an important part of those rituals.

 

[TLHKAJ]

The reality is that it is very valuable to them for all manner of stem cell research, testing/experimentation as well as uses that you wouldn't/couldn't even imagine such as using these aborted fetus cells to make food products and artificial flavorings, etc.

Next time you're craving some ice cream, think again.

For this reason, I quit using popular brand named foods ...and for the most part, processed or packaged foods for the last 14+ years. And for some years, I have moved more and more to homemade cooking. Good old fashioned cooking from scratch with organic and non-gmo ingredients.

What's sad is that as a society, we've depleted the soils so severely that crops don't contain the nutrients they should, and this effects the taste. Greed has led to bad agricultural practices, rather than using crop rotation and Biblical principles of resting the land. Many farmers are returning to this (regenerative agriculture) and having amazing results. If more and more people can grow food in this way, we can put a huge dent in this greedy system. And that's why the powers that be are trying to place more and more control over farms and Bill Gates has been buying up farmland. (I can go on and on about this....)

 

[EloyCraft]

Satan wants to abolish the idea of mothers , fathers and families as the primary human society.

Abortion wounds human dignity. Over time people will be thinking of human life as if it were planted, cropped and harvested. Satan's plan.

 

[Rita]

Many years ago the pastor of my church had to face a really difficult situation, the baby his wife was carrying had no skull formed, which means so survival. This also placed the mother’s health at risk if she was to go to term. They agonised over what decision to make, but in the end they realised that the risk to the mother was too high. She went through premature induced labour. I remember how heartbroken they were, and how pulled they felt. It was easy to sit in judgment but none of us were actually dealing with the situation on a personal level.
So I do understand some of the points JB has raised.
This is also an emotive subject, perhaps we can refrain from personal digs about the strong views either way.
I equally agree that , for most part, many have just come to use abortion as an answer rather than choosing to not sleep around and run the risk of become in pregnant in the first place. However knowing many people who have had them they are so unprepared for the emotional roller coaster ride that follows or the many regrets they may face in the future.
Also the medical industry needs to take some responsibility, when I became pregnant after being sterilised I was offered three abortions by three different doctors, because I felt so ill and knew I was going to feel that way for nine months there was split second where I was tempted. What stopped me, the knowledge that my twin brother and his wife had lost 5 babies in the womb, and here I was going to be blessed with my fourth child…….in that moment in time I was only at the very early stages of pregnancy, so the taking of a life as such was not in my mind because I saw life as beginning when the heart starts beating. I do not have an issue with the morning after pill …that is my own personal opinion. Rita

 

[TLHKAJ]

Next time you're craving some ice cream, think again.

I know this is veering a bit from the OP ...but I believe it is connected: the importance of seeds. There is life in seeds. And this whole "food shortage" and the so-called "seed shortage" (wood shortage, etc, etc) has been manufactured. It's part of the plan of those who serve satan and rule the world. I was watching a homesteading conference video and one guy who worked at walmart (and didn't want to be identified) reported that a month or so prior to the whole "covid" scare, his employers at WM were instructing them to throw away all the seeds. Perfectly good and viable seeds were put into the dumpsters. Now, tell me they didn't know what was coming around the bend!! Of course they do. It's all part of their plan. And they have no regard for life ....especially human.

 

[TLHKAJ]

So I do understand some of the points JB has raised.

The problem is ...JB and Stan are advocating for all abortions on their supposed belief that the unborn aren't alive. That is completely different. I'm not sure how carrying this child and delivering him/her would have been a risk to the mother. I have seen instances where women have been induced to deliver babies early in an effort to save both mother and baby. In the case you describe, outside of a miracle, the baby would not have survived either way. And yet, they knew that child had value, otherwise they would not have agonized over the situation.

 

[GEN2REV]

(I can go on and on about this....)

Yes, we could easily start an entire thread on this topic that would go on and on forever. It's all connected.

Let me know if you decide to.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I saw life as beginning when the heart starts beating. I do not have an issue with the morning after pill …that is my own personal opinion. Rita

I do have a problem with it because God places a huge value on "seed." IMO, it's a slap in the face of God. And no one can guarantee that conception hasn't taken place within minutes or a couple hours after intercourse. It is murder of convenience. And for this same reason, I oppose most forms of birth control since they do not prevent conception. They only make the uterus a hostile environment for the embyo to implant on the uterine lining, so the baby passes.