A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

[Aunty Jane]

Let us point out your errors.

It would help if you understood your own errors instead of pointing fingers at us, you don’t see that there are three fingers pointing back at you and your “church”....whatever you call yourself. Label wearing never saved anyone.

1. Elohim is a plural noun. Period. Teh Hebrews used it for the one true God for that is what God told them.

Ever heard of “the Royal We”? It is the plural of excellence. The British royal family knew all about that.
“We are not amused” was a phrase used by royalty when the monarch was not happy.

2. In the Sh'ma "Hear O Israel, Yahweh your Elohim (plural) is One (compound one echad) Yahweh! Why use th eword one- if they already knew He was just one? Because god was speaking of His triune personhood sharing one essence- which was later declared by Jesus.

The reason is rather obvious when you understand that the nations worshipped many gods....
The expression hab·Beʽa·limʹ (the Baals) refers to the various local deities thought of as owning or possessing and having influence over particular places.
Yahweh was the one God of Israel and they never knew him as a triune being, or as sharing his godship with any other gods. (Ex 20:3)
“I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. With the exception of me there is no God. I shall closely gird you, although you have not known me, in order that people may know from the rising of the sun and from its setting that there is no one besides me. I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.” (Isa 45:5-6)
Can you see it plainly stated?
Jesus declared no equality with his Father, whom he called “the only true God” without including himself. (John 17:3)

3. The slave should be giving the meat of the Word- not fanciful reinterpretations of the word like the WT and many denominations do.

In order to eat “meat” you need teeth.....and you have to have a digestive system that can assimilate “meat” or its benefits will not be absorbed.....so again, what we see in Christendom (of which you indicate you are a part, as you accept their doctrines) Bible knowledge is limited to “theology” which is what is taught in Theological Colleges and for which those who choose to go into the ‘ministry’, are taught doctrine and a few scriptures that seem to support it, and come out with a college degree....which is nigh on to useless if all they do is regurgitate the same lies as they are taught, and that they go on to teach others. They are lacking in full Bible knowledge, which is not “theology” but sound knowledge and understanding based on the entirety of what the Bible teaches on all subjects.

4. You confuse Christianity as a religion . It is not, it is a relationship comprised of believers in many denominations. We are an organism not an organization.

Semantics.....any body of people who hold the same beliefs and aims, who come together in unity of purpose to promote an agenda, are an organisation...large or small. What Christendom has is a rabble of disunited people who all hold different beliefs. What you are promoting here is a cover up for what genuine Christianity should be....
“Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.”
By what stretch of whose imagination is Christendom defined that way?

5. Jesus is with people, not a sect. You have done what the Catholics of the Dark ages fell into- the deception that their sect was the one true sect and that only the leadership had the right to properly understand the bible and dispense truth.

Oh good grief....look in your own backyard and see how hypocritical that statement is....every sect in Christendom thinks theirs is the right one, or they wouldn’t support them. In most cases, they have a paid clergy class who have a degree from one of their colleges and who usually charge money for all services. We don’t work for God with financial gain in view. If we are not volunteers we are not servants.....we are to be self-supporting as Paul was, so as not to be a burden of the congregation.

When he fell into need, the congregation supported him, but he said....
“Or did I commit a sin by humbling myself that you might be exalted, because I gladly declared the good news of God to you without cost? 8 Other congregations I deprived by accepting provisions in order to minister to you. 9 Yet, when I was present with you and I fell into need, I did not become a burden on anyone, for the brothers who came from Mac·e·doʹni·a abundantly supplied my needs. Yes, in every way I kept myself from becoming a burden to you and will continue to do so.” (2 Cor 11:7-9)
There was no obligation to support any minister financially and yet a minister in the “church” system is usually supplied a house, a car and all utility bills paid as a matter of course...it is an expectation. What can the congregation expect in return? In my experience...not much more than a sermon on Sunday....

6. Yes, all denominations are imperfect and have false teachings in them. Just like the Watchtower. But once again God does not see denominations, just whether someone has placed their full trust in the death, burial and physical resurrection of Jesus as their full sin debt payment .

I would say that the first and most important component of worship is the truth about who God is.....if you worship a man-made (devil inspired) ‘multiple person god’ who bares no resemblance whatsoever to the God whom Jesus served, then I would assume that anyone who falls for that lie is not going to inherit the Kingdom in any way. When Jesus says at the judgment, “I never knew you”...who is he talking to?

We will all find that out when the time comes, but in the meantime, we need to search for and find the “faithful slave” whom Jesus appointed to “feed” his disciples their “food at the proper time”(Matt 24:45).....they are out there, and we will find them “doing the will of the Father”......if we fail to identify them, we will be feeding at the wrong table and accepting “food” that is based on pagan ideas, not the Bible. (1 Cor 10:20-21)
True Christians will be a hated and persecuted minority, (as they were in the first century) because this is what Jesus indicated would be the case. (John 15:18-21; Matt 7:13-14)

Christendom is a mirror image of first century Judaism, who also promoted the man-made doctrines of corrupt men. (Matt 15:7-9) It was they who persecuted Jesus’ disciples.....those who supposedly worshipped the same God.

 

[The Learner]

Revelation 7:1
The 144,000 People of Israel
After this happened I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth. The angels were holding the four winds of the earth. They were stopping the wind from blowing on the land or the sea or on any tree.

Revelation 7:4
Then I heard how many people had God’s mark on their foreheads. There were 144,000. They were from every tribe of the people of Israel:

Revelation 14:1
God’s People Sing a New Song
Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, who was standing on Mount Zion. There were 144,000 people with him. They all had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.

Revelation 14:3
The people sang a new song before the throne and before the four living beings and the elders. The only ones who could learn the new song were the 144,000 who had been bought from the earth. No one else could learn it.

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: 144,000

www.biblegateway.com

From the contexts of those texts, we know that they are from the 12 tribes of Israel, male, virgins, not married.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Not plural for the true God Israel served in their language=100% fact.

No it is a plural noun. The singular of Elohim is Elowah or sometimes simply written as a prefix- "el", as in El shaddai

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It already has been exposed - to the hilt.
The Catholic Church, on the other hand, hasn't.

Your view is based in a deeply profound ignorance of Scripture and Catholic doctrine.

Says you , but I know differently.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It would help if you understood your own errors instead of pointing fingers at us, you don’t see that there are three fingers pointing back at you and your “church”....whatever you call yourself. Label wearing never saved anyone.

Well what you have said to date of my errors are Scripture even if they have man made names!

Ever heard of “the Royal We”? It is the plural of excellence. The British royal family knew all about that.
“We are not amused” was a phrase used by royalty when the monarch was not happy.

Doesn't matter what the British royal Family did or said. It is what the Hebrew word is and whether in Hebrew is singular of plural! there is no plurality of majesty in Hebrew! But when a Monarch used it it was a collective we BTW.

The reason is rather obvious when you understand that the nations worshipped many gods....
The expression hab·Beʽa·limʹ (the Baals) refers to the various local deities thought of as owning or possessing and having influence over particular places.
Yahweh was the one God of Israel and they never knew him as a triune being, or as sharing his godship with any other gods. (Ex 20:3)
“I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. With the exception of me there is no God. I shall closely gird you, although you have not known me, in order that people may know from the rising of the sun and from its setting that there is no one besides me. I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.” (Isa 45:5-6)
Can you see it plainly stated?
Jesus declared no equality with his Father, whom he called “the only true God” without including himself. (John 17:3)

Too bad you did not look at another verse in that chapter

5 One shall say, I am the Lord's; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel.

6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Do not know which English version you are using but that is not Is. 44:5-6

But as you see in verse 6 two being are called Yahweh! the King of Israel, and His Redeemer of Israel!

Semantics.....any body of people who hold the same beliefs and aims, who come together in unity of purpose to promote an agenda, are an organisation...large or small. What Christendom has is a rabble of disunited people who all hold different beliefs. What you are promoting here is a cover up for what genuine Christianity should be....
“Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.”
By what stretch of whose imagination is Christendom defined that way?

Once again you misinterpret Pauls Words to try to prove a lie! Christians have had difference down through the Centuries. Even you r supposed infallible Watchtower has changed Doctrines so many times as to give one whip lash!

And no christianity has organization, but it is an organism- the Body of Christ

Oh good grief....look in your own backyard and see how hypocritical that statement is....every sect in Christendom thinks theirs is the right one, or they wouldn’t support them. In most cases, they have a paid clergy class who have a degree from one of their colleges and who usually charge money for all services. We don’t work for God with financial gain in view. If we are not volunteers we are not servants.....we are to be self-supporting as Paul was, so as not to be a burden of the congregation.

Lying through your teeth is unbecoming! I am a member of an SBC church and we do not think our "sect" is the one true church. We know that believers are scattered in all denominations. for it is not being in a particular religion that saves, but trust in the death and physical resurrection of Jesus as the full price of ones sins that saves! It produces a new life.

You are still in the flesh by your own admission and thus are incapable of pleasing God according to Romans 8. But you will accept the watchtowers word over the Word of God in this.

I would say that the first and most important component of worship is the truth about who God is.....if you worship a man-made (devil inspired) ‘multiple person god’ who bares no resemblance whatsoever to the God whom Jesus served, then I would assume that anyone who falls for that lie is not going to inherit the Kingdom in any way. When Jesus says at the judgment, “I never knew you”...who is he talking to?

People who were trusting in good works to save them instead of Jesus death and physical resurrection.

We will all find that out when the time comes, but in the meantime, we need to search for and find the “faithful slave” whom Jesus appointed to “feed” his disciples their “food at the proper time”(Matt 24:45).....they are out there, and we will find them “doing the will of the Father”......if we fail to identify them, we will be feeding at the wrong table and accepting “food” that is based on pagan ideas, not the Bible. (1 Cor 10:20-21)
True Christians will be a hated and persecuted minority, (as they were in the first century) because this is what Jesus indicated would be the case. (John 15:18-21; Matt 7:13-14)

Funny because Bible belieivng Christians have been persecuted down through the centuries by both religions and governments and false religions. Just look at how much the Watchtower verbally assaults those who adhere to the bible.

The Watchtower itself admitted that just studying Gods Word without their propaganda results in people believing in the Trinity, immortal soul, deity of Jesus, hell etc..

Watchtower even admits (like the Catholics) that the organization alone has the right to interpret Scripture! They will be judged for that and place all who follow them under judgment as well.
!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Says you , but I know differently.

You know nothing.

 

[Wrangler]

It is what the Hebrew word is and whether in Hebrew is singular of plural! there is no plurality of majesty in Hebrew!

So says you, contrary to authoritative references. Also, you just ignore words that can be plural or singular in context. Fish comes to mind. Repeatedly saying "fish" is a plural noun does not hold up to scrutiny. Same the Elohim.

 

[Behold]

...Jesus indicates in Matt 7:21-23 that we will not know until the judgment if we have qualified to be recognised as one of his own.

Jesus qualifies you on earth so that you can know today, right now, that you are "His own".


Jesus said...>"you must be born again"

Do that, and you are "recognized as one of His own". before you die.

And if you die not having done that, then God will not recognized you as HIS......much less "of Jesus'..

 

[Aunty Jane]

Well what you have said to date of my errors are Scripture even if they have man made names!

You mean like Christmas?....which never had anything to do with Christ....or Easter, which didn’t either. How blind can you be? Man-made names for devil inspired activities. (2 Cor 4:3-4)
We are told in no uncertain terms that we cannot mix truth with falsehood and yet this is what Christendom does best. (2 Cor 6:14-18) Here you are still making excuses.....this is what those rejected by Christ will do. (Matt 7:21-23)

Find me an “immortal soul” in scripture. Find me an “eternal hell of fire and conscious torture”. Find me a God with three heads who can talk to each other and be in different places all at the same time....Israel never knew such a God....nor did they see any mention of an eternal fiery hell because they did not believe in immortality of the soul. Do you forget that Jesus was Jewish and taught exclusively from Jewish scripture?

Doesn't matter what the British royal Family did or said. It is what the Hebrew word is and whether in Hebrew is singular of plural! there is no plurality of majesty in Hebrew! But when a Monarch used it it was a collective we BTW.

The plural of majesty was not invented by the English monarchy, but since we both live in nations with roots in Britain, it is the “English” translations that are the problem in most cases. Bias in translation is rife when trying to squeeze in doctrines that were never there.

Too bad you did not look at another verse in that chapter

5 One shall say, I am the Lord's; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel.

6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Do not know which English version you are using but that is not Is. 44:5-6

You are right....but it’s 45:5-6 if you check.

But as you see in verse 6 two being are called Yahweh! the King of Israel, and His Redeemer of Israel!

Yes, that is also correct....both the Father and the son are Kings, and both are Redeemers because Jesus did not come of his own volition...he was “sent” by the one he served...”the only true God”. (John 17:3) The one who sends the savior is also a savior. These are not exclusive titles. (Judges 3:15)

Jesus is called God’s “holy servant” by the apostle Paul. (Acts 4:27) Can God be his own servant?

Once again you misinterpret Pauls Words to try to prove a lie! Christians have had difference down through the Centuries. Even you r supposed infallible Watchtower has changed Doctrines so many times as to give one whip lash!

You are funny...where have we ever claimed to be infallible? We leave the infallibility up to God and his Christ and are content to have what we need to know, when we need to know it, as Jesus said would be the case. “The faithful slave” are out doing what Jesus instructed and it is very evident that the churches are not fulfilling the great commission “in all the inhabited earth” because that is apparently someone else’s job. (Matt 28:19-20) Jesus sent his disciples out locally, to their neighbors, not just to foreign countries. (Matt 10:11-15)

God’s eternal purpose has been unfolding gradually over many thousands of years since the fall in Eden. We have a greater understanding now than we have ever had as the time approaches for “the end” to take mankind in general by surprise. “Just like the days of Noah”... (Matt24:37-39)

And no christianity has organization, but it is an organism- the Body of Christ

So it has organisation but is not an organisation? LOL.

Lying through your teeth is unbecoming!

Name calling is also unbecoming....you seem to do that a lot.

I am a member of an SBC church and we do not think our "sect" is the one true church. We know that believers are scattered in all denominations. for it is not being in a particular religion that saves, but trust in the death and physical resurrection of Jesus as the full price of ones sins that saves! It produces a new life.

So scattered in amongst all the false Christianity is the true elect, and so when you come across someone who wants to study the Bible and to get to know the true God...where do you send them? Do the elect sit smugly in their respective churches and just smile when false teachings and activities are mentioned?

In the first century, there was a clear distinction between Jews and Christians.....no one was in any doubt about who was who. There was a clear cut decision to make and that decision could, and did, divide families. (Matt 10:34-37)

You are still in the flesh by your own admission and thus are incapable of pleasing God according to Romans 8. But you will accept the watchtowers word over the Word of God in this.

People who were trusting in good works to save them instead of Jesus death and physical resurrection.

That is where you are dead wrong...”good works” never saved anyone. Do you know why? Because they must be motivated by love for God and his son. God never said he was going to save “good people”...he is going to save obedient ones because he has no time for those who can’t do as they are told. (James 2:18-20)

Funny because Bible belieivng Christians have been persecuted down through the centuries by both religions and governments and false religions. Just look at how much the Watchtower verbally assaults those who adhere to the bible.

Coming from someone who is not averse to verbal assaults himself, that is rather hypocritical.

The Watchtower itself admitted that just studying Gods Word without their propaganda results in people believing in the Trinity, immortal soul, deity of Jesus, hell etc..

I have never seen or heard such nonsense. Funny how your interpretation of my faith is very skewed and based on hear-say from our opposers, which you seem to soak up like a sponge.....but my estimation of the teachings of Christendom come from personal experience. I was raised in Christendom, so you tell me whose estimations will be more accurate? Have you been on both sides of this fence? You haven’t got a clue about us......you just think you do. I wonder what was said about Jesus and his disciples among the Jews...? (John 15:18-21)

Watchtower even admits (like the Catholics) that the organization alone has the right to interpret Scripture! They will be judged for that and place all who follow them under judgment as well.

There is no “right” to anything, just as it was in Jesus’ day....he disseminated his truth and allowed his audience to make up their own minds. He did not force his message on anyone but left their own hearts to be touched by the truth...or not. The majority of the Jews rejected him, and their corrupt leaders orchestrated his murder. The people were so misled that they even cursed themselves and their own children with his blood. (Matt 27:25) Be careful what you wish for when blind hatred is your motivation.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Jesus qualifies you on earth so that you can know today, right now, that you are "His own".


Jesus said...>"you must be born again"

Do that, and you are "recognized as one of His own". before you die.

And if you die not having done that, then God will not recognized you as HIS......much less "of Jesus'..

Please tell me what being “born again” actually means to you who believe that they have been chosen to rule with Christ in heaven...?

 

[RR144]

The Watchtower will, in time, be exposed as a false religion just like Father divine, David Koresh, Jim Jones, the RCC, the LDS and hosts of others who have twisted the scriptures to their own destruction. I know whom I serve.

Ronald, may I ask what denomination are you?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Ronald, may I ask what denomination are you?

Ronald admits to being a member of the SBC...."Southern Baptists"?

I am a member of an SBC church and we do not think our "sect" is the one true church. We know that believers are scattered in all denominations. for it is not being in a particular religion that saves, but trust in the death and physical resurrection of Jesus as the full price of ones sins that saves! It produces a new life.

 

[Wrangler]

No it is a plural noun. The singular of Elohim

It's amazing that you disregard the thousands of times a singular pronoun is used by Elohim to describe himself. It goes to show your linguistic pronouncements are based on dogma, not language arts.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You know nothing.

Says you but I know differently.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ronald, may I ask what denomination are you?

Well as I moved from New England to S. Carolina seven months ago, my new church is an SBC church. I do not know all there is about teh SBC, but my local pastor is a great man of God and is a great preacher/teacher of the Word and has a wonderful vision.

My past 2 churches were:

an unaffiliated Baptist church in New England for 25 years

an independent non- denominational church for over 19 years

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You mean like Christmas?....which never had anything to do with Christ....or Easter, which didn’t either. How blind can you be? Man-made names for devil inspired activities. (2 Cor 4:3-4)
We are told in no uncertain terms that we cannot mix truth with falsehood and yet this is what Christendom does best. (2 Cor 6:14-18) Here you are still making excuses.....this is what those rejected by Christ will do. (Matt 7:21-23)

S o specifically tell me which false teachings are associated with a person celebrating the birth of Christ on a specific calendar day! Does the 25th of Dec. make it sin?

Does a tree in teh house make it sin? Is the tree in and of itself sinful? or the ornaments? or songs celebrating Jesus birth sinful? Giving gifts? I wish to know you rmind on these questions.

I know not one person who worships Saturn or Bacchus during this day! I know of people who worship materialism and that is wrong

Find me an “immortal soul” in scripture. Find me an “eternal hell of fire and conscious torture”. Find me a God with three heads who can talk to each other and be in different places all at the same time....Israel never knew such a God....nor did they see any mention of an eternal fiery hell because they did not believe in immortality of the soul. Do you forget that Jesus was Jewish and taught exclusively from Jewish scripture?

I know of no god with 3 heads! I know of the one true deity whois manifest in three separate persons. They are three unique individuals but share the same divine essence.

Well Gods revelation of an eternal soul was made clear around 700 B.C. with King David. Israel did not know lots of things, simply because god had not revealed them yet to them!

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Here's one that speaks of an immortal being tormented forever and ever.

Another:

Luke 16:19-31

King James Version

​

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Despite the Watchtower twisting this Scripture to their own destruction, Jesus said there was so there was! This is not a parable, was never called a parable and is not grouped with other parables.

Coming from someone who is not averse to verbal assaults himself, that is rather hypocritical.

No, just stating facts. I am not afraid of assaulting bold lies from a false organization when needed.

Name calling is also unbecoming....you seem to do that a lot.

cite me one example that is untrue.

So it has organisation but is not an organisation? LOL.

I am sorry you do not know the difference between being organized and being an organization.

I have never seen or heard such nonsense. Funny how your interpretation of my faith is very skewed and based on hear-say from our opposers, which you seem to soak up like a sponge.....but my estimation of the teachings of Christendom come from personal experience. I was raised in Christendom, so you tell me whose estimations will be more accurate? Have you been on both sides of this fence? You haven’t got a clue about us......you just think you do. I wonder what was said about Jesus and his disciples among the Jews...? (John 15:18-21)

Maybe you should do some research in the archives of your own cult!

That is where you are dead wrong...”good works” never saved anyone. Do you know why? Because they must be motivated by love for God and his son. God never said he was going to save “good people”...he is going to save obedient ones because he has no time for those who can’t do as they are told. (James 2:18-20)

No He is going to save those who trust in the death and physical resurrection of Jesus for their sin debt. The good works I do are a result of being saved, not trying to get saved or stay saved.

So scattered in amongst all the false Christianity is the true elect, and so when you come across someone who wants to study the Bible and to get to know the true God...where do you send them? Do the elect sit smugly in their respective churches and just smile when false teachings and activities are mentioned?

In the first century, there was a clear distinction between Jews and Christians.....no one was in any doubt about who was who. There was a clear cut decision to make and that decision could, and did, divide families. (Matt 10:34-37)

False analogy. Jews rejected the physical resurrection of Jesus plus His Messiahship, Christians trusted both! that would be like saying that Muslims and Buddhists.

there is no false Christianity. there are false believers and even now whole denominations which profess a form of godliness but deny the power. christianity is not a denomination, but the body of Jesus. Every sect of Christendom has truth in it and yes even the Watchtower and Mormonism has truth in it. but being part of a denomination or member under the supposed "faithful and discreet slave" never will save soul. Only Jesus saves.
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[The Learner]

Well what you have said to date of my errors are Scripture even if they have man made names!


Doesn't matter what the British royal Family did or said. It is what the Hebrew word is and whether in Hebrew is singular of plural! there is no plurality of majesty in Hebrew! But when a Monarch used it it was a collective we BTW.

Too bad you did not look at another verse in that chapter

5 One shall say, I am the Lord's; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel.

6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Do not know which English version you are using but that is not Is. 44:5-6

But as you see in verse 6 two being are called Yahweh! the King of Israel, and His Redeemer of Israel!

Once again you misinterpret Pauls Words to try to prove a lie! Christians have had difference down through the Centuries. Even you r supposed infallible Watchtower has changed Doctrines so many times as to give one whip lash!

And no christianity has organization, but it is an organism- the Body of Christ

Lying through your teeth is unbecoming! I am a member of an SBC church and we do not think our "sect" is the one true church. We know that believers are scattered in all denominations. for it is not being in a particular religion that saves, but trust in the death and physical resurrection of Jesus as the full price of ones sins that saves! It produces a new life.

You are still in the flesh by your own admission and thus are incapable of pleasing God according to Romans 8. But you will accept the watchtowers word over the Word of God in this.

People who were trusting in good works to save them instead of Jesus death and physical resurrection.

Funny because Bible belieivng Christians have been persecuted down through the centuries by both religions and governments and false religions. Just look at how much the Watchtower verbally assaults those who adhere to the bible.

The Watchtower itself admitted that just studying Gods Word without their propaganda results in people believing in the Trinity, immortal soul, deity of Jesus, hell etc..

Watchtower even admits (like the Catholics) that the organization alone has the right to interpret Scripture! They will be judged for that and place all who follow them under judgment as well.
!

Hebrew was/is my first language. "there is no plurality of majesty in Hebrew!" is exaclty correct. Anyone who teaches otherwise does not know Hebrew at all.

 

[The Learner]

Biblical Hebrew can't have a plural of majesty, because not ANE/Ancient Near East languages did. And the term came into existence in the 13th century CE, when kings linked themselves to God and said "you may come into our presence", "you may leave us".

 

[The Learner]

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[Aunty Jane]

S o specifically tell me which false teachings are associated with a person celebrating the birth of Christ on a specific calendar day! Does the 25th of Dec. make it sin?

Does a tree in teh house make it sin? Is the tree in and of itself sinful? or the ornaments? or songs celebrating Jesus birth sinful? Giving gifts? I wish to know you rmind on these questions.

2 Cor 6:14-18….KJV.
“14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”

And yet you still make excuses…..what part of “come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you"....do you not understand? SMH.

Key words...."come out from among them and be ye separate" and "touch not the unclean thing"...think about those.....

I know not one person who worships Saturn or Bacchus during this day! I know of people who worship materialism and that is wrong

“A rose by any other name is still a rose”…sewerage is still sewerage even if you call it rose petals…..false worship with a “Christian” label is still false worship.
Whatever takes up the major part of your time and attention.....what receives your devotion in life, is your god.

I know of no god with 3 heads! I know of the one true deity whois manifest in three separate persons. They are three unique individuals but share the same divine essence.

“Three separate persons”…..”three unique individuals” = 3 gods. That is polytheism. There is no such God in any verse of the Bible. (Deut 6:4)
The Jews did not know any such God and neither did Jesus.

Well Gods revelation of an eternal soul was made clear around 700 B.C. with King David. Israel did not know lots of things, simply because god had not revealed them yet to them!

Scripture please….there is no such thing as “an eternal soul” in the Bible….a “soul” is mortal, it can die. (Ezekiel 18:4)….and if you go back to Eden and God’s instructions to Adam, you will not find any “eternal soul” mentioned. Adam “became a soul” when God started him breathing. He was never told about heaven or hell as alternative destinations for the dead. He was told that death was death...the end of life. That is what being "mortal" means.....you can die.

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Here's one that speaks of an immortal being tormented forever and ever

Read it again…..it says “THE SMOKE of their torment” ascends…..in a symbolic book like Revelation, there is little that is literal, so what is the symbolism of the ascending smoke? Have you ever stood in a place that was burned by wildfires that wiped out whole communities? I have……and the smoke of the shouldering ashes and burned out trees, keeps ascending as a reminder of what happened there.…it can go on for some time.
Since there is no immortal soul taught in the Bible, this is not what Revelation is saying. There is no conscious soul to torment.

All scripture was written by faithful Jews who had no belief that any conscious part of man that survives death. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10)
The unfaithful Jews adopted that idea from the pagan Greeks, so they had no part in writing scripture.

Another:

Luke 16:19-31​

To suggest that this is not a parable but should be taken literally, is ridiculous. Are heaven and hell in speaking distance of one another and can a drop of water on a man’s finger going to bring relief to someone who is in a fire? Seriously?

Despite the Watchtower twisting this Scripture to their own destruction, Jesus said there was so there was! This is not a parable, was never called a parable and is not grouped with other parables.

It is part of several chapters of parables.

cite me one example that is untrue.

You have called me a liar a few times now....

Lying through your teeth is unbecoming!

I do not lie just because I disagree with what you want to believe.....I post scripture to support my view....I notice that scripture is a bit thin in your posts.

Maybe you should do some research in the archives of your own cult!

I have, very thoroughly, because unlike some people I don't swallow down anything that is not proven to me. I read the whole Bible, not just the verses that say what I want them to say. If what you believe isn't supported by the entirety of scripture then you have no understanding of what it teaches....it is one story. Everything fits.

No He is going to save those who trust in the death and physical resurrection of Jesus for their sin debt. The good works I do are a result of being saved, not trying to get saved or stay saved.

Unless the works are correctly motivated and based on truth, they don't mean anything.....but if you don't have the works, you don't have the faith. As James 2:18-22 says...
"....someone will say: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19 You believe that there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder. 20 But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith without works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father declared righteous by works after he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? 22 You see that his faith was active along with his works and his faith was perfected by his works".

False analogy. Jews rejected the physical resurrection of Jesus plus His Messiahship, Christians trusted both! that would be like saying that Muslims and Buddhists.

They rejected Jesus because he did not fit the religious leaders' expectations...and he was making them look bad.
Christendom hates Jesus' true disciples for the same reasons.

1 Pet 3:18-20 confirms that Jesus was "made alive in the spirit" and that in that state he went and "preached to the spirits in prison" who were the restrained demons who had wreaked havoc by materializing in Noah's day. How does a physical man visit spirits in prison?

there is no false Christianity. there are false believers and even now whole denominations which profess a form of godliness but deny the power. christianity is not a denomination, but the body of Jesus.

At the end of the day...there are only "sheep and goats"....we will all be found to be either one or the other......Jesus knows those who belong to him because they are "doing" as he commanded them. (Matt 28:19-20)

but being part of a denomination or member under the supposed "faithful and discreet slave" never will save soul. Only Jesus saves.

Jesus himself appointed "the faithful slave" to feed his household on earth in the days prior to his return, so that when he came back, he would find them carrying out his instructions.....he said they would be rewarded for doing their job well. (Matt 24:45-47)
They are not hiding in Christendom, but have separated themselves from "Babylon the great" in these last days. (Rev 18:4-5) Those who have not heeded that command can expect no commendation, but will receive what they deserve for their continuing disobedience.