A serious questions for the Jehovah's Witnesses on these threads.

[Aunty Jane]

Yes they believed in an immortal soul!

That is not what I said......I said that their scripture did not teach that humans have an immortal soul.....that idea was adopted by the Jews from the pagan Greeks....Christendom adopted it too because humans do not want to believe that death is the opposite of life. Was Adam told that he had an immortal soul that would go to hell if he disobeyed? (Gen 2:17; 3:19)

When you invent doctrines, you have to invent other doctrines to support them. The Roman church invented hellfire and purgatory and even limbo to cover that lie.
Jesus never once mentioned an “immortal soul”. Find me one verse in the Bible that tells us that the human soul is immortal. The meaning of the word “soul” makes that impossible. That word never means a disembodied spirit.

You seem to discount the power of Satan’s first lie.....he is the one who told the woman “you surely will not die” and by removing the penalty of sin, introduced death when Adam joined her.

And why did Jesus say this? Because He wanted thetm to see He physically rose from the dead. The normal saying people use is flesh and blood, but Jesus used flesh and bone! Why do you suppose He intentionally said it that particular way!

Spirit beings do not have blood, which is why Jesus needed to come into the world through a human mother. He sacrificed his blood to atone for our sin.....so, to take back the body he sacrificed, would cancel it out. For spirit beings, materialising is the ability to organise matter into human form. Who came to Abraham to tell him about the birth of his son Isaac? Three men who ate and drank and after they had delivered their message, two of them went on to rescue Lot and his family from Sodom. These ate and drank at Lot’s house and the depraved residents of Sodom wanted to rape them. They were angels in human form.

No where in Scripture does it say Jesus "materialized bodies as He needed them

Appeared? Now you are simply playing word games to try to support a false doctrine. Jesus physically rose as the word means!

It is not just the fact that he appeared, (John 20:19 tells that he “appeared” to his disciples in a locked room) but Luke tells us that he also “disappeared” right in front of their eyes.

Luke 24: 30-31....
“And as he was dining with them, he took the bread, blessed it, broke it, and began handing it to them. 31 At that their eyes were fully opened and they recognized him; but he disappeared from them.“
Can a flesh and blood human simply disappear from a room full of people? No, but a spirit being can.

Now you are making a fuss about teh wounds which is a tempest in a teapot.

Or it is talking about something you cannot refute. If Jesus was raised in the same body that died, was he still scarred by the events that were inflicted by the Romans before his execution? Was he raised with the wounds of his torture or would his God have raised him healed of them? Who was afflicted with any kind of illness or disability that Jesus did not heal? Would God do less?

No because it is the blood that is required for the removal of sins as it is written. That is why Jesus said to Thomas "flesh and bones". As the first fruit of the resurrection He modelled the body all believers will have in both heaven and earth. Remember Paul said this corruption must put on incorruption and this mortal must put on immortality.

Exactly.....what is mortal must “put on” immortality...only at their resurrection can Jehovah give the elect the right body to enter heaven. A physical body cannot exist outside of earth’s atmosphere....this is where “souls” were designed to live. All souls are mortal. To become immortal they have to have immortal bodies given to them, which is what being “born again” really means. Born of flesh the first time, born of the spirit upon their resurrection to heaven. A spirit body is still a body.

So why do you cuddle with teh Watchtower. they do not bring the teachings of JOhm, Peter, Paul or Jesus in the critical areas.

Why do you cuddle Christendom and accept her lies as truth? You believe them...right?
Who says that what you believe is right and my beliefs are wrong? Jesus will tell us all very soon I think.

Anything that redefines and/or contradicts Scripture must be rejected at all costs! and that supposed "faithful and discreet slave" has done so numerous times!

Look back at the history of “the church” after the first century and you will see exactly when the scriptures were corrupted by human ideas and formulated doctrines that redefined everything that Jesus taught....
Go back into your own history and see when it began, and how you were sold a bill of goods by the devil who fed men lies and told them it was truth. Jesus said it was to be expected.....why do you doubt him?

People are disfellowshipped if they are caught quietly celebrating christmas!

No true worshipper of Jehovah would touch Christmas with a barge pole. It is like celebrating pagan corruption with the devil.

People are disfellowshipped for accepting the bible as written and not reinterpreted by the faithful and discreet slave! Look up in the archives of the Watchtower if you do not believe me! the Watchtower has reserved for itself like the roman church did to interpret the bible as they see fit.

The “faithful slave” exists because Jesus is the one who chose this slave as part of the end time prophesies.....and he gave him his instructions....so who is he to you? Why do you think his identity was put in the form of a question? (Matt24:45)

And Just as Romanism, they said to contradict them is grounds for removal and they only as the organization have the right to understand the bible and feed it to the people. The WT took the most evil parts of Rome during the dark ages and use them for their own leaders.

History disagrees with you....”by their fruits” Jesus said we would recognize his true disciples....because they would be out “doing” what God commanded through his son. (Matt 7:21-23) The preaching work is what separates the true Christians from the pretenders....Jesus said he would back this work as a global exercise, warning people like Noah did. (Matthew 24:37-39) Why are all the churches noted for NOT carrying out the great commission? (Matt 28:19-20; Matt 24:14) They are MIA as they have always been. Up to their necks in politics and currying “friendship with the world” by supporting its bloody conflicts. (James 4:4)
No Christian can have blood on their hands. (Matt 5:43-44; Isa 1:15)

Christendom’s record is one of shame, not pride. Jesus will decide who are doing as he instructed.

 

[Wrangler]

He has always been divine!

Isn’t it true that all the angels also always have been divine?

 

[RR144]

He has always been divine! He did not stop being god when He took on flesh, just emptied HImself of many things.

Scripture tells us that the man Christ Jesus died a ransom for all (1 Tim. 2:5, 6) A ransom is a "life for a life" something of equal value. Adam was not a man-god, he was fully human, so the ransom must also be of equal value, a human life. The scriptures don't tell us that Jesus was a god-man.

People do not walk on water, take 5 loaves and 2 fish and feed close to 20,000, nor raise people from the dead, or take water and turn it to wine.

Hmmm ... let's see, Elijah didn't walk on water but he cause a drought in the Kingdom of Israel due to King Ahab's sins (1Kings 17:1 - 5). He also miraculously caused a widow’s meager food supply not to run out until a drought ends (17:9 - 16). AND he resurrected the widow's son who had died (17:22 - 23). Was he divine? No!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Twisted analogy. Israel-NEVER served a trinity=100% fact of life, while serving the true God. Because he is not a trinity.

He is a trinity. But like several other things, they remained a mystery in the old but revealed in the new! But they knew God was pluralistic in the nouns they uses (Elohim instead of Elowah, Adonai instead of Adon, two people called Yahweh). They just rejected the divinity of Jesus when He came from heaven. He was not an angel but God the son as God revealed to Job.

 

[Keiw]

He is a trinity. But like several other things, they remained a mystery in the old but revealed in the new! But they knew God was pluralistic in the nouns they uses (Elohim instead of Elowah, Adonai instead of Adon, two people called Yahweh). They just rejected the divinity of Jesus when He came from heaven. He was not an angel but God the son as God revealed to Job.

You are wrong. In the Hebrew language Elohim = the mighty one or the supreme one for the true God, only used as plural for the false trinity gods served in the ot days. There isn't a single spot in the bible that says-God the son.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You are wrong. In the Hebrew language Elohim = the mighty one or the supreme one for the true God, only used as plural for the false trinity gods served in the ot days. There isn't a single spot in the bible that says-God the son.

Well elohim is the plural noun that means Gods! It is the plural of elowah which is God singular. god knew what He was doing when He inspired the writers!

And you will not find a Scripture that says Jesus was an angel in heaven and is an angel once again!

But to be God's son is to be equally divine as God the Father is!

Remember in Isaiah Jesus is called Yahweh!
Jesus is also called god
He is also called God with us! Not a representation of God with us.

He is called the first and last! (The watchtower indoctrinates you to believe there are 2 firsts and 2 lasts)

He is called God in human flesh.

He speaks with His Father in Gen. 1:

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God shares His glory with no one, but God says Let us make man in OUR image and OUR likeness

Even teh Watchtower has said that if people just read the bible alone without the indoctrination of Watchtower material, they quickly revert back to the doctrines of Christendom as the Trinity, the p[hysical resurrection, immortal soul and an eternal hell fire! Can you imagine that! they have teh Chutzpah to say that Gods Word will deceive people if they read just His Word! Why that doesn't scare you is a mystery to me!

I went into Communist china in the 1980's twice. We could only smuggle limited number of materials. So we snuck in just Bibles! It is sad that you believe Gods Word will deceive people with out the reinterpretation of the WATCHTOWER!

 

[Wrangler]

There isn't a single spot in the bible that says-God the son.

Facts don’t matter when you have dogma.

 

[Keiw]

Well elohim is the plural noun that means Gods! It is the plural of elowah which is God singular. god knew what He was doing when He inspired the writers!

And you will not find a Scripture that says Jesus was an angel in heaven and is an angel once again!

But to be God's son is to be equally divine as God the Father is!

Remember in Isaiah Jesus is called Yahweh!
Jesus is also called god
He is also called God with us! Not a representation of God with us.

He is called the first and last! (The watchtower indoctrinates you to believe there are 2 firsts and 2 lasts)

He is called God in human flesh.

He speaks with His Father in Gen. 1:

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God shares His glory with no one, but God says Let us make man in OUR image and OUR likeness

Even teh Watchtower has said that if people just read the bible alone without the indoctrination of Watchtower material, they quickly revert back to the doctrines of Christendom as the Trinity, the p[hysical resurrection, immortal soul and an eternal hell fire! Can you imagine that! they have teh Chutzpah to say that Gods Word will deceive people if they read just His Word! Why that doesn't scare you is a mystery to me!

I went into Communist china in the 1980's twice. We could only smuggle limited number of materials. So we snuck in just Bibles! It is sad that you believe Gods Word will deceive people with out the reinterpretation of the WATCHTOWER!

In the Hebrew language-Elohim is NEVER plural for the true living God. It translates-the supreme one or the mighty one---look it up.

Let us( YHWH(Jehovah) and his master worker(Prov 8=Jesus) create man in our image.

One must be taught by these-Matt 24:45 or they remain in darkness. They can understand bible milk, but not the deep things without being taught. Acts 8:26-31-- Most assuredly why there are so many different religions claiming to be christian= a divided house. They all teach different truths on matters because they cannot understand the deep things. They have dogmas that contradict bible truths. That is what is scary. Jesus is with only 1 single religion,( 1 Cor 1:10) yet one must choose out of thousands to find the one. Its not that hard. Jesus real teachers teach every single thing Jesus commanded-Matt 28:19-20) And he taught--Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT taught to the flock without fail. The JW,s do that.

 

[Keiw]

Facts don’t matter when you have dogma.

Yes, i have attended different trinity religions in my day. Those teachers get paid to teach their religions brand of dogma and little of what Jesus taught. Proving 100% they do not listen to Jesus, thus Jesus is not with them-Matt 28:19-20) done without fail, and Jesus taught-Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God=OT-NT taught to the flock, without fail. Its what the teachers who have Jesus do without fail. All can look at their teachers and see if they have Jesus or not by that. My teachers do that for 0 pay.

 

[RR144]

He is a trinity. But like several other things, they remained a mystery in the old but revealed in the new! But they knew God was pluralistic in the nouns they uses (Elohim instead of Elowah, Adonai instead of Adon, two people called Yahweh). They just rejected the divinity of Jesus when He came from heaven. He was not an angel but God the son as God revealed to Job.

I love it ... whenever they can't explain something "it's a mystery"!

 

[RR144]

We agree except where you mention Paul as a "replacement" for Judas.
Acts 1:23-26...
"So they proposed two, Joseph called Barʹsab·bas, who was also called Justus, and Mat·thiʹas. 24 Then they prayed and said: “You, O Jehovah, who know the hearts of all, designate which one of these two men you have chosen 25 to take the place of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas deviated to go to his own place.” 26 So they cast lots over them, and the lot fell to Mat·thiʹas, and he was counted along with the 11 apostles."

The twelve Apostles were chosen directly by Jesus, but they had no replacements except, of course, Paul, who definitely replaced Judas. Just as Jesus selected the original twelve, he selected Paul as a replacement (Acts 9:15). The other Apostles were well meaning, but premature in selecting the replacement Apostle themselves (Acts 1:26). Inspired by God, they were the “twelve stars” crowning the head of the Early Church (Revelation 12:1); also identified the twelve foundations of the New Jerusalem (Acts 21:14). It would be hard to imagine that Paul as the greatest of the Apostles, would not be numbered among this special group of twelve. There was no “apostolic succession” of any kind for a body of leadership authority through the Christian Age.

It was God who chose Matthias to replace Judas.

Where does it say that God chose Matthias to replace Judas?

 

[Aunty Jane]

So it’s important that we see an positional distinct work of Jehovah who remains in heaven and that of Jesus who He sends to carry out the work that Jehovah planned for him, the “restitution of all things”. (Acts 3:21) So it’s a personal return, NOT a physical return as most in Christendom believe, bit a personal one.

Jesus promised that the elect would have a place “prepared” for them when Jesus returned to heaven.
John 14:2-3...
”In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you. 3 Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you home to myself, so that where I am you also may be.”

So why would he prepare a place in heaven for them if he is coming back to the earth in person? None of the chosen rulers and priests need to be physically present to rule mankind. The Kingdom is in heaven...it’s subjects are on earth. (Rev 21:2-4)

Do we agree so far?

I don’t know.....

If we do, then there’s a problem, because the Society teaches that Jesus does not personally return, but like the Father simply turns his favor or attention to the earth. For lack of space I’ll quote one Watchtower article and to my knowledge this view has not changed.

“Not only are we not to look for Christ to be visible to human eyes when he comes again but we should not even think of his leaving heaven and coming within the confines of earth’s atmosphere for him to be present. He returns or “visits” the earth as did Jehovah in times past, by turning his attention to things of earth. Thus Jehovah did not literally come down or “visit” (King James Version) the Israelites while they were in Egypt or at the time of the birth of John the Baptist; rather, he “turned his attention” to them. Likewise, when he began to call out a people from the nations for his name he did not literally “visit” but “turned his attention to the nations.” (Ex. 4:31; Luke 1:68; Acts 15:14, NW) See also An American Translation and Moffatt”. w55 2/15 p. 102-103

This view literally does not favor what the scriptures are telling us, or for that matter, what PAROUSIA mean. Because Jesus does PERSONALLY return.

Jesus’ “parousia” is his “presence”.....he is “present” ruling his disciples and has been for over 100 years, directing the preaching work that he assigned to his elect, ably supported by the “other sheep” who will live on earth.
The apostle Paul made a clear distinction between his “presence” and his “absence” in Philippians 2:12...
“Consequently, my beloved ones, just as you have always obeyed, not only during my presence [pa·rou·siʹai] but now much more readily during my absence, [a·pou·siʹai] keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”

Someone’s “presence” is not the same as their “coming”.....you can see that someone is present even if you did not see them arrive.

Bible Students believe that Jesus returned to the earth’s atmosphere.

“Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.” - Thess. 4:17 NWT

Paul is talking about the resurrection and the Lord’s return. A reunion, first with the sleeping saints, and then with the saints as each one dies and is resurrected in a “twinkling of an eye” – 1 Cor. 15:52 and where do they meet? They meet in the air.

Yes, but they do not have to be in physical form. The devil and his demons have been confined to the earth since Jesus began ruling (Rev 12:7-12)....can you see them? No! But you can see the impact that they are having on the world of mankind.....”just like the days of Noah”....violence and immorality are rife.

This is what the Lord does upon His return. He enlightens the world, both spiritually and temporally with the increase of knowledge. (Dan. 12:4) Keep in mind also what our Lord said to His disciples, “If I go … I shall return”, he left earth. Where did he go? To the Father. Where was the Father? In heaven. Where is he returning too? The earth.

As a spirit, Jesus (as well as his elect) can be in both realms, God has observed us from his heavenly vantage point since the beginning, but he does not have to be on earth to guide and direct the disciples of his son...he does so by means of his powerful spirit.

Where does it say that God chose Matthias to replace Judas?

Acts 1:14-26.....
“During those days Peter stood up in the midst of the brothers (the number of people was altogether about 120) and said: 16 “Men, brothers, it was necessary for the scripture to be fulfilled that the holy spirit spoke prophetically through David about Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus. 17 For he had been numbered among us and he obtained a share in this ministry. . . . . . .20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, ‘Let his dwelling become desolate, and let there be no inhabitant in it’ and, ‘His office of oversight let someone else take.’ 21 It is therefore necessary that of the men who accompanied us during all the time in which the Lord Jesus carried on his activities among us, 22 starting with his baptism by John until the day he was taken up from us, one of these men should become a witness with us of his resurrection.”

23 So they proposed two, Joseph called Barʹsab·bas, who was also called Justus, and Mat·thiʹas. 24 Then they prayed and said: “You, O Jehovah, who know the hearts of all, designate which one of these two men you have chosen 25 to take the place of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas deviated to go to his own place.” 26 So they cast lots over them, and the lot fell to Mat·thiʹas, and he was counted along with the 11 apostles.”

Was Peter guided by holy spirit? When he prayed for Jehovah’s guidance and cast lots, was it not God who had the lot fall to Matthias who was then counted along with the 11 other apostles.

Paul was never counted among the 12, nor does it ever say that he was Judas’ replacement.
His ministry was unlike any of the other apostles, being a “chosen vessel” for a special assignment (Rom 11:13).....and since Jesus is also called an “apostle” (Heb 3:1) we have to understand the meaning of the word.....it is simply “one sent forth”....God sent Jesus, and Jesus sent his disciples out to preach his message to the people. (John 17:3 ; Matt 10:11-14)

 

[Aunty Jane]

Even teh Watchtower has said that if people just read the bible alone without the indoctrination of Watchtower material, they quickly revert back to the doctrines of Christendom as the Trinity, the p[hysical resurrection, immortal soul and an eternal hell fire! Can you imagine that! they have teh Chutzpah to say that Gods Word will deceive people if they read just His Word! Why that doesn't scare you is a mystery to me!

Scare us? This is nonsense, why would it scare us? What we believe is.....that if people just read the Bible, they would NEVER find mention of a trinity, immortality of the soul, or hellfire because they are simply not mentioned in the Bible at all.

It is sad that you believe Gods Word will deceive people with out the reinterpretation of the WATCHTOWER!

What is sad is that people like you disseminate false information about us without first checking to see if it’s even true. Apparently, you believe lies because you want to.....
What you don’t realise is that a great many of us have come out of Christendom because we saw the lies quite clearly......you seem to be blind to them....but that is your choice. I too have made my choice.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

In the Hebrew language-Elohim is NEVER plural for the true living God. It translates-the supreme one or the mighty one---look it up.

Let us( YHWH(Jehovah) and his master worker(Prov 8=Jesus) create man in our image.

One must be taught by these-Matt 24:45 or they remain in darkness. They can understand bible milk, but not the deep things without being taught. Acts 8:26-31-- Most assuredly why there are so many different religions claiming to be christian= a divided house. They all teach different truths on matters because they cannot understand the deep things. They have dogmas that contradict bible truths. That is what is scary. Jesus is with only 1 single religion,( 1 Cor 1:10) yet one must choose out of thousands to find the one. Its not that hard. Jesus real teachers teach every single thing Jesus commanded-Matt 28:19-20) And he taught--Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT taught to the flock without fail. The JW,s do that.

Let us point out your errors.

1. Elohim is a plural noun. Period. Teh Hebrews used it for the one true God for that is what God told them.
2. In the Sh'ma "Hear O Israel, Yahweh your Elohim (plural) is One (compound one echad) Yahweh! Why use th eword one- if they already knew He was just one? Because god was speaking of His triune personhood sharing one essence- which was later declared by Jesus.
3. The slave should be giving the meat of the Word- not fanciful reinterpretations of the word like the WT and many denominations do.
4. You confuse Christianity as a religion . It is not, it is a relationship comprised of believers in many denominations. We are an organism not an organization.
5. Jesus is with people, not a sect. You have done what the Catholics of the Dark ages fell into- the deception that their sect was the one true sect and that only the leadership had the right to properly understand the bible and dispense truth.
6. Yes, all denominations are imperfect and have false teachings in them. Just like the Watchtower. But once again God does not see denominations, just whether someone has placed their full trust in the death, burial and physical resurrection of Jesus as their full sin debt payment .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Scare us? This is nonsense, why would it scare us? What we believe is.....that if people just read the Bible, they would NEVER find mention of a trinity, immortality of the soul, or hellfire because they are simply not mentioned in the Bible at all.

They are but you are too afraid to open your eyes to see for fear of the WT. Even your leadership recognized that by just reading the bible without any religious supplementary material one believes in all that! Are you daring to contradict you faithful and discreet slave class now???????

What is sad is that people like you disseminate false information about us without first checking to see if it’s even true. Apparently, you believe lies because you want to.....
What you don’t realise is that a great many of us have come out of Christendom because we saw the lies quite clearly......you seem to be blind to them....but that is your choice. I too have made my choice.

Everything I say is backed up and was written by the WT organization.

Yes there are many lies in many of the sects of Christendom, just like in the WT. We are since approx,. the late 1800's living in the age of Laodicea, so we can expect to see and do see many churches falling further into apostasy as Paul and Jesus and John said. Isn't it interesting that more and more denominations are denying the Deity of Jesus, His physical resurrection, Hellfire, the immortality of the soul etc.etc. They are becoming more like the WT. they may have on their books sound doctrine, but have departed from that (apostasized) to accept false doctrine.

See I care not a whit what sect one worships God in. As long as their sins have been cleansed by trusting in the death and physical resurrection of Jesus. YOu reject His physical resurrection which leaves you outside of HIs kingdom.

 

[Wrangler]

I love it ... whenever they can't explain something "it's a mystery"!

In logic, this is called Appeal to Ignorance. It is the fallacy that one ought to believe in something even though there is a lack of evidence, particularly evidence lacking for the opposing proposition. It's a variant of, "Even though it does not make sense <INSERT IGNORANCE, such as to a human mind> it is still right or true." Huh?

 

[Wrangler]

since Jesus is also called an “apostle” (Heb 3:1) we have to understand the meaning of the word.....it is simply “one sent forth”....God sent Jesus, and Jesus sent his disciples out to preach his message to the people. (John 17:3 ; Matt 10:11-14)

Wow! Great, great point!

 

[Wrangler]

Let us point out your errors.

1. Elohim is a plural noun. Period.

In the Hebrew language-Elohim is NEVER plural for the true living God. It translates-the supreme one or the mighty one---look it up.

Ronald will never let go of this self-deception.

Just because some words, like "fish," can be plural in context does not mean they are always plural. Ronald does not have eyes to see.

 

[Keiw]

Let us point out your errors.

1. Elohim is a plural noun. Period. Teh Hebrews used it for the one true God for that is what God told them.
2. In the Sh'ma "Hear O Israel, Yahweh your Elohim (plural) is One (compound one echad) Yahweh! Why use th eword one- if they already knew He was just one? Because god was speaking of His triune personhood sharing one essence- which was later declared by Jesus.
3. The slave should be giving the meat of the Word- not fanciful reinterpretations of the word like the WT and many denominations do.
4. You confuse Christianity as a religion . It is not, it is a relationship comprised of believers in many denominations. We are an organism not an organization.
5. Jesus is with people, not a sect. You have done what the Catholics of the Dark ages fell into- the deception that their sect was the one true sect and that only the leadership had the right to properly understand the bible and dispense truth.
6. Yes, all denominations are imperfect and have false teachings in them. Just like the Watchtower. But once again God does not see denominations, just whether someone has placed their full trust in the death, burial and physical resurrection of Jesus as their full sin debt payment .

Not plural for the true God Israel served in their language=100% fact.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Watchtower will, in time, be exposed as a false religion just like Father divine, David Koresh, Jim Jones, tjhe RCC, the LDS and hosts of others who have twisted the scriptures to their own destruction. I know whom I serve.

It already has been exposed - to the hilt.
The Catholic Church, on the other hand, hasn't.

Your view is based in a deeply profound ignorance of Scripture and Catholic doctrine.