A history of failed prophecies
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But I did see a strange repeat awhile back!
You know how they argued back then about where He would come from? I mean, we aren’t privy to the arguments, but we can glean them from some verses, like…”does anything good come from Nazareth?” And, “Search the scriptures for yourself, no prophet comes from Galilee!”
But to confound the wisdom men think they have, It DID turn out that Jesus came from all three places, at different times, that it was said He would come from! Hah! So you know there were many discussions and debates over which scripture was correct, and three different “views” men argued over.
And this is where I saw a strange repeat. He is said, once again, to come from three different places at three different times! One of the scriptures says He will come from Bozrah, with robes stained red. Another says He will come in the clouds and every eye will see Him. Another verse says….hah! Search the scriptures and find that one!
Its most amazing! Men are once again arguing when and where He will come from!
That’s nothing new under the sun, innit??
I forgot to say something else. So, when they used to argue and say, Messiah will come from Egypt, scripture is very clear on it, and another man said, you are insane, scripture clearly says He comes from Bethlehem, that it’s where he is born! And a third man said, you are both wrong, messiah comes from Nazareth, can’t you read.?? Which of the three was right? Weren’t they all right?
So, when men once again argue today, about when and where He will come again, before the tribulation to gather, midtribulation from bozrah with robes stained red and after the tribulation at the second resurrection when every eye will see Him even those who pierced Him…could they all be right just as all three men were right in the first argument?
I understand a little bit of this at the beginning but you really lost me after that, sorry.
Yes, the temple was destroyed. Yes, having no temple stopped the sacrifices. That was the first question they asked Him, when the temple would be destroyed.
They asked two more questions though. What sign will tell us You are coming again, and WHEN will the end come?
The verse you quoted about Egypt…which of their questions did that answer…? Also, You think Jesus appeared riding on a cloud in Egypt and no one talked about it or wrote about it? And it says in revelation, He will come on a cloud and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him. Wouldn’t those who pierced His body need to be resurrected to see Him in this verse? Can dead men see? For every single eye to see Him, even those who put the nails in His hands, all would need to be resurrected, so it would be at the second resurrection. But you think both the first and second resurrections have already happened? Then…what’s happening now? Why are we here? None of it makes sense…gaahh!
When I read Mathew 24 & 25, I cannot jam everything He said into A.D 70. I can put some of it there, but not all of it. Oh please forgive me for saying this but it seems insane to me…
The sign of him coming would be the Roman armies around Jerusalem as that would be his coming in judgement on Jerusalem
Luke 19:41-44New International Version (NIV)
As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”
The end of the age was the temple sacrificial age and it ended in 70 AD when the temple was destroyed
The verse about Egypt was just showing that scripture shows coming on the clouds(which was mentioned in Matthew 24) is a coming in judgement
About the ones mentioned in every eye will see him even those that pieced him was that the ones who killed him (the Pharisees) would see that He was God when they were still alive because of what happened(70AD) when Jesus said it would happen would prove that He was God
Matthew 25 Is still in the future and no the second resurrection hasn’t happened the first does when we are born again our spirits rise when we believe and they never die
Remember everything up to Matthew 24:34 had to happen in that generation
I have a very detailed study on Matthew 24 verse by verse
It’s okay Marty. You have decided on a theological view a man taught you. And that’s okay. I have seen things in each view I think are probably right and things in each view I think are probably wrong because of some verses elsewhere I find that can’t tie into whichever view.
I have learned a lot of patience and waiting for God and don’t latch too tightly to any of the views completely. None of them are without problems.
I have learned a lot of patience and waiting for God and don’t latch too tightly to any of the views completely. None of them are without problems.
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ha or there is one without problems, only it wont be so popular i guess?
Its not useless at all if you're calling is specifically spiritual warfare with the cults. I've found that on every "Christian" web site with forums for discussion, the easiest place to find the cultists is in threads about Eschatology.
No one is ever "argued " into the kingdom, but a familiarity with scripture allows the soldier of God to tear down every strong fortress of deceit. This is rarely of benefit to the cultists caught up in strong deceptions, but offers up protection and understanding to the spiritually young and seekers, who are the primary targets for recruitment into the cults.
I would prefer a website with strong doctrinal commitments for the purpose of genuine fellowship in the word, as all the cults present on an ecumenical site are disruptive of instruction and discipleship. But when called to the battle for the sake of God's children, sites like this are the front lines.
@Heart2Soul 1 Corinthians 1.30 speaks of the Lord Jesus made to the believer 'wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption'....
Desire Of All Nations
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That right there is the problem: you don't care, even when Christ explicitly said His followers are supposed to watch world trends. Christ gave the signs so His followers would know when the end of the age was near. It's true that the Father is the only being who knows the exact moment Christ is going to return, but does that mean Christians are supposed to act like nothing is happening like the rest of the world? No! Did you see Christ telling the disciples not to concern themselves with the end of the age and rebuking them for asking for signs that He would return? No! The real question that should be asked is why don't you want this present evil world to come to an end?
How on earth did you arrive at 14 years when Paul said it was 3 years?
Wrong. Matt. 24 shows the Olivet Prophecy was a direct response to the disciples asking Jesus for the signs of His return:
"Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, 'Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?'" - Matt. 24:3
The fact that Jesus ended Matt. 24 with the same signs that can be found in Revelation shows the events in 70 A.D. were only a type of what would happen up to and including the Tribulation. And then there are Jesus' own words in v. 21-22 where He says He would return at a time when humanity has threatened to wipe itself out of existence. Humanity did not possess the means to render itself extinct in the 1st century A.D. That kind of technology did not exist until the invention of the atomic and hydrogen bombs in the 20th century. As the context clearly shows, the Olivet Prophecy is dual in nature. It wasn't until later in the 1st century that the apostles realized this prophecy was not supposed to be entirely fulfilled in their lifetimes.
None of those prophecies you mentioned have been fulfilled. For starters, the Jewish nation in the Middle East is NOT Israel. It is biblical Judah. Secondly, Eze. 20 refers to the "house of Israel", which again, does NOT refer to the Jewish nation. The "house of Israel" is prophetically referring to the descendants of the northern kingdom. It is this group of Israelites that owned the national name of Israel. Third, the Jewish nation hasn't yet accepted the fact that Jesus is the Messiah it was waiting for, so Zech. 12 clearly hasn't been fulfilled entirely either.
The logic in the second paragraph is not only completely asinine, it is unbiblical. The Bible teaches in no uncertain terms when and how everything was supposed to happen, so there can only be 1 correct view. There is no logical or rational way that multiple competing and contradicting views can all be right.
Ronald Nolette
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You are straining at too many gnats on this. The land is called Israel and all twelve tribes are part of Israel.
No the nation has not yet accepted Jesus as Messiah yet. they are still in the ingathering phase back to their covenanted land.
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Ronald Nolette
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No, just teh speculative aspects of those who get "special revelations" and then proceed to corrupt the word of god, like they do with some many other "ologies". Just remember that REvelation (the premier scripture on eschatology) is the only book that promises a blessing for reading and heeding.
The biggest problem is (including several on this thread now) is that people feel compelled to have ot correct the Inspired Word of God! As if God had a bad day in INspiring teh prophets and writers of Scripture.
Bob Carabbio
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Actually the promise is:
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
"Reading" the book of Revelation is no problem at all. Understanding all the various symbologies, and time frames is a whole 'nuther breed of cat.
If you take everything in its plain literal sense and chronological sequence, understanding Revelation is not that complicated. There are some parenthetical passage which do depart from the chronological sequence, but that can be easily seen. And there are definitely symbolic characters such as the woman who sits on the seven-headed beast. But that too is explained: And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (Rev 17:18)
The speculation begins when some say that this city is (1) Rome, or (2) Jerusalem, or (3) Babylon in Iraq. The closest would be the city of Rome and within it Vatican city. The pope did reign over the kings of the earth for many centuries.
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But we BOTH KNOW that there actually almost NO AGREEMENT among Theologians on much of anything about it - even what time period it describes.
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it's a shame to me that Gnostics have to apparently be buried twice lol; doesn't anyone pay any attn to history?
ah well how do you know? :)
Guess I was going on an old and rickety memory. I did put a question mark after it.
I was close. Just knock the one off the front and subtract by one.
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True. What really happened is that theologians began spiritualizing prophecies so that they could make anything out of anything else. Perhaps it began with Origen, but there is definitely a lot of confusion out there.
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