Aunty Jane
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Or I hope you will.....this world is fast running out of time....Never mind. One day you'll get it.
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Or I hope you will.....this world is fast running out of time....Never mind. One day you'll get it.
But I did see a strange repeat awhile back!
You know how they argued back then about where He would come from? I mean, we aren’t privy to the arguments, but we can glean them from some verses, like…”does anything good come from Nazareth?” And, “Search the scriptures for yourself, no prophet comes from Galilee!”
But to confound the wisdom men think they have, It DID turn out that Jesus came from all three places, at different times, that it was said He would come from! Hah! So you know there were many discussions and debates over which scripture was correct, and three different “views” men argued over.
And this is where I saw a strange repeat. He is said, once again, to come from three different places at three different times! One of the scriptures says He will come from Bozrah, with robes stained red. Another says He will come in the clouds and every eye will see Him. Another verse says….hah! Search the scriptures and find that one!
Its most amazing! Men are once again arguing when and where He will come from!
That’s nothing new under the sun, innit??![]()
No problem but remember Jesus did say it would happen within that generation and it did.
The temple was destroyed and still hasn’t been rebuilt till this day
The sacrificial age ended and even until this day hasn’t resumed
Jesus came on the clouds with judgement just like the verse below.
Isaiah 19:1
A prophecy against Egypt: See, the LORD rides on a swift cloud and is coming to Egypt. The idols of Egypt tremble before him, and the hearts of the Egyptians melt with fear
Not only did Jesus predict these events He predicted them with a date and it did happen in 70AD within that generation proving without a doubt that Jesus is God.
This proved that Jesus was the one in Daniel 7:13-14 the son of man coming in the clouds to heaven which He referred Himself to in Matthew 26:64
After the events happened when Jesus said that they would happen they would of realized that Jesus was God
I understand a little bit of this at the beginning but you really lost me after that, sorry.
Yes, the temple was destroyed. Yes, having no temple stopped the sacrifices. That was the first question they asked Him, when the temple would be destroyed.
They asked two more questions though. What sign will tell us You are coming again, and WHEN will the end come?
The verse you quoted about Egypt…which of their questions did that answer…? Also, You think Jesus appeared riding on a cloud in Egypt and no one talked about it or wrote about it? And it says in revelation, He will come on a cloud and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him. Wouldn’t those who pierced His body need to be resurrected to see Him in this verse? Can dead men see? For every single eye to see Him, even those who put the nails in His hands, all would need to be resurrected, so it would be at the second resurrection. But you think both the first and second resurrections have already happened? Then…what’s happening now? Why are we here? None of it makes sense…gaahh!
When I read Mathew 24 & 25, I cannot jam everything He said into A.D 70. I can put some of it there, but not all of it. Oh please forgive me for saying this but it seems insane to me…
ha or there is one without problems, only it wont be so popular i guess?It’s okay Marty. You have decided on a theological view a man taught you. And that’s okay. I have seen things in each view I think are probably right and things in each view I think are probably wrong because of some verses elsewhere I find that can’t tie into whichever view.
I have learned a lot of patience and waiting for God and don’t latch too tightly to any of the views completely. None of them are without problems.
ha or there is one without problems, only it wont be so popular i guess?
Its not useless at all if you're calling is specifically spiritual warfare with the cults. I've found that on every "Christian" web site with forums for discussion, the easiest place to find the cultists is in threads about Eschatology.And illustrates again the total uselessness of Eschatologial theology.
@Heart2Soul 1 Corinthians 1.30 speaks of the Lord Jesus made to the believer 'wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption'....There are many who are deceived by men, who follow every wind of doctrine, who lack wisdom, knowledge and understanding of God's Word, who are not able to spiritually discern the truth from a lie to rightly divide it.....
These are the ones who fail to study God's Word for themselves but would rather have others teach them....not able to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth...who are persuaded of their carnal mind instead of becoming spiritually minded.
As for the mature in Christ who are in the meat of God's Word, they are not so easily deceived because they have the ability to discern the truth...and they continue in His Word to learn and grow.
The Bible warns of such who would believe a lie and reject the truth...a reprobate mind.
That right there is the problem: you don't care, even when Christ explicitly said His followers are supposed to watch world trends. Christ gave the signs so His followers would know when the end of the age was near. It's true that the Father is the only being who knows the exact moment Christ is going to return, but does that mean Christians are supposed to act like nothing is happening like the rest of the world? No! Did you see Christ telling the disciples not to concern themselves with the end of the age and rebuking them for asking for signs that He would return? No! The real question that should be asked is why don't you want this present evil world to come to an end?Seriously? Did you look at that list through the centuries? Why is this such a need for people ? This is what’s fascinating to me. I don’t concern myself if the world is going to end because only the Father knows the time. No one else. No one! Not even The Son.
So I don’t get why people preoccupy themselves with this idea.
How on earth did you arrive at 14 years when Paul said it was 3 years?tsk. Oh my gosh, really?? Give him time to work it out, my gosh Paul went like 14 years? before he even consulted with other men. Geez.
Wrong. Matt. 24 shows the Olivet Prophecy was a direct response to the disciples asking Jesus for the signs of His return:Back in the Olivit discourse Jesus was taught about his coming in judgement in 70AD to destroy Jerusalem not the sense coming and it did happen within that generation just like Jesus said that it would
None of those prophecies you mentioned have been fulfilled. For starters, the Jewish nation in the Middle East is NOT Israel. It is biblical Judah. Secondly, Eze. 20 refers to the "house of Israel", which again, does NOT refer to the Jewish nation. The "house of Israel" is prophetically referring to the descendants of the northern kingdom. It is this group of Israelites that owned the national name of Israel. Third, the Jewish nation hasn't yet accepted the fact that Jesus is the Messiah it was waiting for, so Zech. 12 clearly hasn't been fulfilled entirely either.Something may or it may not! We have already had one major end time prophecy fulfilled. Israel being gathered back from all teh nations they were scattered. They also were gathered in near total unbelief and Ez. 20 and Zech . 12 show that is also true. This prophecy is the key to let us know we are in teh the last times, but how long those times last is unknown.
All date guessers, no matter how sincere, are sincerely wrong!
The logic in the second paragraph is not only completely asinine, it is unbiblical. The Bible teaches in no uncertain terms when and how everything was supposed to happen, so there can only be 1 correct view. There is no logical or rational way that multiple competing and contradicting views can all be right.I forgot to say something else. So, when they used to argue and say, Messiah will come from Egypt, scripture is very clear on it, and another man said, you are insane, scripture clearly says He comes from Bethlehem, that it’s where he is born! And a third man said, you are both wrong, messiah comes from Nazareth, can’t you read.?? Which of the three was right? Weren’t they all right?
So, when men once again argue today, about when and where He will come again, before the tribulation to gather, midtribulation from bozrah with robes stained red and after the tribulation at the second resurrection when every eye will see Him even those who pierced Him…could they all be right just as all three men were right in the first argument?
None of those prophecies you mentioned have been fulfilled. For starters, the Jewish nation in the Middle East is NOT Israel. It is biblical Judah. Secondly, Eze. 20 refers to the "house of Israel", which again, does NOT refer to the Jewish nation. The "house of Israel" is prophetically referring to the descendants of the northern kingdom. It is this group of Israelites that owned the national name of Israel. Third, the Jewish nation hasn't yet accepted the fact that Jesus is the Messiah it was waiting for, so Zech. 12 clearly hasn't been fulfilled entirely either
wordAnd illustrates again the total uselessness of Eschatologial theology.
And illustrates again the total uselessness of Eschatologial theology.
No, just teh speculative aspects of those who get "special revelations" and then proceed to corrupt the word of god, like they do with some many other "ologies". Just remember that REvelation (the premier scripture on eschatology) is the only book that promises a blessing for reading and heeding.
If you take everything in its plain literal sense and chronological sequence, understanding Revelation is not that complicated. There are some parenthetical passage which do depart from the chronological sequence, but that can be easily seen. And there are definitely symbolic characters such as the woman who sits on the seven-headed beast. But that too is explained: And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (Rev 17:18)Understanding all the various symbologies, and time frames is a whole 'nuther breed of cat.
If you take everything in its plain literal sense and chronological sequence, understanding Revelation is not that complicated. There are some parenthetical passage which do depart from the chronological sequence, but that can be easily seen. And there are definitely symbolic characters such as the woman who sits on the seven-headed beast. But that too is explained: And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (Rev 17:18)
The speculation begins when some say that this city is (1) Rome, or (2) Jerusalem, or (3) Babylon in Iraq. The closest would be the city of Rome and within it Vatican city. The pope did reign over the kings of the earth for many centuries.
ah well how do you know? :)I haven’t found that one yet
it's a shame to me that Gnostics have to apparently be buried twice lol
ah well how do you know? :)
How on earth did you arrive at 14 years when Paul said it was 3 years?
True. What really happened is that theologians began spiritualizing prophecies so that they could make anything out of anything else. Perhaps it began with Origen, but there is definitely a lot of confusion out there.But we BOTH KNOW that there actually almost NO AGREEMENT among Theologians on much of anything about it - even what time period it describes.