A history of failed prophecies

[stunnedbygrace]

But I did see a strange repeat awhile back!

You know how they argued back then about where He would come from? I mean, we aren’t privy to the arguments, but we can glean them from some verses, like…”does anything good come from Nazareth?” And, “Search the scriptures for yourself, no prophet comes from Galilee!”

But to confound the wisdom men think they have, It DID turn out that Jesus came from all three places, at different times, that it was said He would come from! Hah! So you know there were many discussions and debates over which scripture was correct, and three different “views” men argued over.

And this is where I saw a strange repeat. He is said, once again, to come from three different places at three different times! One of the scriptures says He will come from Bozrah, with robes stained red. Another says He will come in the clouds and every eye will see Him. Another verse says….hah! Search the scriptures and find that one!

Its most amazing! Men are once again arguing when and where He will come from!
That’s nothing new under the sun, innit??

 

[michaelvpardo]

It’s kind of hard though to see a shadow of what’s prophesied to happen and not wonder, is this just a shadow or could this be the actual beginning of it, in time…?

I think about Hitler and I think, if I was where I am right now when Hitler came about, I’d be really, really wondering if I was seeing more than a shadow.

My mother in law grew up in Nazi Germany (she became a "war bride.") She told my former wife frequently that Jesus was coming back soon because she was convinced that Hitler was the Antichrist, and she continued to believe that right up to her passing away about 5 years ago or so.
I believe that Hitler was an antichrist, but fell short of the prophetic description. He could however have been "the beast" of scripture. 76 years after his suicide, Hitler's image is still broadcast and streamed all over the world in documentaries and has a dark following of neo-nazis.
As Christians we aren't called to look for the Antichrist, but we are urged to watch for the Lord's return, even by Jesus Himself. That's the basis of the doctrine of the imminence of Christ's return and those who disregard it, are all in rebellion.

41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. Matthew 24:41-43

 

[stunnedbygrace]

My mother in law grew up in Nazi Germany (she became a "war bride.") She told my former wife frequently that Jesus was coming back soon because she was convinced that Hitler was the Antichrist, and she continued to believe that right up to her passing away about 5 years ago or so.
I believe that Hitler was an antichrist, but fell short of the prophetic description. He could however have been "the beast" of scripture. 76 years after his suicide, Hitler's image is still broadcast and streamed all over the world in documentaries and has a dark following of neo-nazis.
As Christians we aren't called to look for the Antichrist, but we are urged to watch for the Lord's return, even by Jesus Himself. That's the basis of the doctrine of the imminence of Christ's return and those who disregard it, are all in rebellion.

41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. Matthew 24:41-43

And THAT ties into the three different places and times He is once again said in scripture to come from! Amazing…being told to watch goes along with the verse I didn’t give in my last post. Oh it’s all so marvelous!

 

[Brakelite]

I have consistently stated since joining the forums over four years ago that I do NOT think His return is coming in my lifetime.

I began my interest in prophecy in the latish 70s after reading Hal Lindsay's book, The Late Great Planet Earth, and a few others that generally agreed with that futurist viewpoint, and totally believed that Jesus would return n my lifetime. Possibly, I thought at the time as did Lindsay, before 1988.
Now it's 2021 and I'm 70 next year. Of what we know of the coming crisis and the signs prior to His coming, one thing is certain. is that everything that man considers as any sort of support or provider, will be rooted up and cast down, ripped out from under our feet and we will be left with nothing to rely on but Christ alone. I am still convinced that Jesus will come in my lifetime, if, and its a big IF, this old man is cut out for such rough times, and he is able to stand up to the pressure. I'm tending to think that it will be a young man's job, to stand as a witness to the final events. Yet Noah did it. Do I want to be there at the end? I'm not so sure, but it will certainly be a heck of ride, and an awesome privilege.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I am still convinced that Jesus will come in my lifetime, if, and its a big IF, this old man is cut out for such rough times, and he is able to stand up to the pressure. I'm tending to think that it will be a young man's job, to stand as a witness to the final events. Yet Noah did it. Do I want to be there at the end? I'm not so sure, but it will certainly be a heck of ride, and an awesome privilege.

Hang in there, you old goat : )

 

[Brakelite]

Hang in there, you old goat : )

Haha, that's what my daughter called me today. And it's becoming a familial habit, even my grandkids are taking it up knowing I can't outrun them anymore lol.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

That is the cynical take on eschatology. On the other hand the bulk of Scripture consists of prophecies which were either fulfilled or remain to be fulfilled. And speculations can be ignored for what is actually presented.

I see it as the REALISTIC TAKE on Eschatological theology - ALL OF WHICH is nothing but RANK Speculation. The only CONSTANT TRUTH is that Jesus will be back - when it's time, and the mature visible church of Eph 4:13 isn't even on the radar - yet.

 

[nenagana]

You're a funny guy Gary.
Just because people have made wild predictions, [incl myself!] that is no reason to think that what is prophesied won't ever happen. What does seem to be 'unknown to you', is the clearly stated prophesies of a dramatic change to the world, that WILL happen.
If they never will, then why do you believe ANY of the Bible?

Please answer this question and explain your reasoning for basically deleting about a quarter of your Bible.
Remember that virtually all of the faithful people before today, have thought the end was imminent and I view the reason God has allowed this state of mind as a way to keep His people in a state of hopeful anticipation.
It works for me, why not for you?

Difficult Question - Moses the Phraoah
(Quick Reply - "A Pharoah's Answer") (guess i'll try)

Thutmose III

(I am called a "Pharoah", or God refers to Moses as a "Pharoah", dead or alive, as long as that star is burning) ("Pharoah" means, God conceals or SEAL the gospel's law, because a controversy or uncleannes is unprofitable, that means a lot of language concerning the new testament is invalid)

This is what we will say concerning the new testament (invalid languages)

(Dirth Charge Humanity, God's Accusation)
Ezekiel 37:16-19, talks about the Genocide of the Jewish People/Ephraim (or else the new testament is invalid) ...........also the Martyrdom of the Son of Man, invalidates the new testament...............the transition of the 12 tribes that is dual listed and denotes the removal of "ephraim" satisifies the prophecy of SEALING, not the new testament language of revelations or other.

(Women Charge Specifically, not all women//in Uncleanness Paralleling the Dirth Charge for the New Testament) (an estimated legal answer)
Daniel 9's 70 Weeks........talks about the messiah, which is the head of joseph, and the gospel parallels that account with women............(the women or, a single women god has in view is the pyramid builder's soulmate, god doesn't give priority to a son of man under joseph, but that is the new testament)
SEALING.................that NULLIFIED VALUE of 1290 and 1335, completes Daniel's Prophecy, Daniel's Prophecy has no ties or language extended to the book of revelation.................(1290 days from my birthday completed 1 cycle, and the language for the law to complete the 2nd and final cycle was 1335 days before 9/11/2001 Falling Man Moses, or Falling Pharoah)

(Earth Energy Grid Specifically//Really this has not real language, but an argument is there, remember human life and activity is "suicide pleasure only" in god's eyes, and humanity is nothing more then a slave, worthless, with no will to live, I guess a general statement)

II CHRONICLES 21:7 Howbeit the LORD would not destroy the house of David, because of the covenant that he had made with David, and as he promised to give a light to him and to his sons for ever. (forever)

(2 Samuel 23..............talks about the "ites".................King David says in 2Samuel23:3, this is a Description of the "Rock of God the Earth"...............then King David talks about the "ites".................remember the "ites" are a picture of Salvation)

(the Son of Man is Holy, the Judgement is Holy, the Earth is Holy.................and Humanity is not Holy in God's Eye's, Humanity is Suicide Pleasure only, that is what the statement from 2 Samuel 23 roughly translates to) (now we said the earth is holy) (King David is the King of Judah in the Book of Revelation, this value has not changed, God in the Old Testament Concealed his Law, and Humanity never reaches this conclusion in the book of Revelation, that is the general statement)

(concerning the genealogies::::::::::::::Genesis 5 is valid, Genesis 11 was not actionable (evolution chain non-existant).............1 Chronicles 1 Genealogy is valid, Matthew and Luke's Genealogy is not actionable (joseph's controversy of suicide or sin with humanity)

(King David talks about a genealogy of his birth sons:::::::::::2 Samuel 5:13, that is not valid with God and prophecy............therefore, God or King David, talked about the Genealogy of the "ites", before david's death in 2 Samuel 23)

(Accidents Happen, it may not be valuable with God to entertain martyrdom in satan's suicide pleasure................but God considers Moses a Pharoah, and therefore a Son in the Line of David, "to forever", not "for ever and ever"...................humanity can and may die filthy as it rots away in its dead flesh pleasure, when I am formerly deceased or both deceased and resurrected, the affairs of humanity doesn't concern me, in a few short years humanity will be deceased..............what you have now is how much suffering and death satan gets from god in playing suicide with moses, before satan plays or pleasure itself in being dumb and blind, the correct response is the reward and conviction of a dead body of moses, and nothing more..................it may take maybe only RABIES, then, my legally valid statements may take another version concerning the reprove of humanity, perhaps a revival of william millerism or calvanism or etc) (i.imgur.com/UiogWZu.png ................ satan isn't afraid to die, satan has no fear of death, what will break satan's will is suffering//pain//collapsing its pleasure, cutting it off spiritually)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Just wanted to reveal some obvious facts for whoever thinks that The Apocalypse will happen in their lifetime.
Take a look here: List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events - Wikipedia

The list is long but also notice how more frequent predictions become in the recent centuries. People are absolutely convinced that something will happen in their lifetime. Lol

These are almost cult-like groups of people who for reasons unknown to me, think that the world is going to end in their lifetime.

Something may or it may not! We have already had one major end time prophecy fulfilled. Israel being gathered back from all teh nations they were scattered. They also were gathered in near total unbelief and Ez. 20 and Zech . 12 show that is also true. This prophecy is the key to let us know we are in teh the last times, but how long those times last is unknown.

All date guessers, no matter how sincere, are sincerely wrong!

 

[michaelvpardo]

I see it as the REALISTIC TAKE on Eschatological theology - ALL OF WHICH is nothing but RANK Speculation. The only CONSTANT TRUTH is that Jesus will be back - when it's time, and the mature visible church of Eph 4:13 isn't even on the radar - yet.

I've been a member of one congregation that was full of spiritual people though most were advanced in age, but as there will always be new (and immature) believers in the church, and church splits caused by them, Ephesians 4:13 is an impossibility until the reign of the Antichrist (which will filter out the carnal, fearful, and immature.)

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I've been a member of one congregation that was full of spiritual people though most were advanced in age, but as there will always be new (and immature) believers in the church, and church splits caused by them, Ephesians 4:13 is an impossibility until the reign of the Antichrist (which will filter out the carnal, fearful, and immature.)

You might want to consider Russian Christians, Chinese Christians, and Christians these days in the "Zero Zones" where there are no Christian churches. How would THEY even know when the "tribulation" started, since they've been murdered for their faith for decades.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Difficult Question - Moses the Phraoah
(Quick Reply - "A Pharoah's Answer") (guess i'll try)

Thutmose III

(I am called a "Pharoah", or God refers to Moses as a "Pharoah", dead or alive, as long as that star is burning) ("Pharoah" means, God conceals or SEAL the gospel's law, because a controversy or uncleannes is unprofitable, that means a lot of language concerning the new testament is invalid)

This is what we will say concerning the new testament (invalid languages)

(Dirth Charge Humanity, God's Accusation)
Ezekiel 37:16-19, talks about the Genocide of the Jewish People/Ephraim (or else the new testament is invalid) ...........also the Martyrdom of the Son of Man, invalidates the new testament...............the transition of the 12 tribes that is dual listed and denotes the removal of "ephraim" satisifies the prophecy of SEALING, not the new testament language of revelations or other.

(Women Charge Specifically, not all women//in Uncleanness Paralleling the Dirth Charge for the New Testament) (an estimated legal answer)
Daniel 9's 70 Weeks........talks about the messiah, which is the head of joseph, and the gospel parallels that account with women............(the women or, a single women god has in view is the pyramid builder's soulmate, god doesn't give priority to a son of man under joseph, but that is the new testament)
SEALING.................that NULLIFIED VALUE of 1290 and 1335, completes Daniel's Prophecy, Daniel's Prophecy has no ties or language extended to the book of revelation.................(1290 days from my birthday completed 1 cycle, and the language for the law to complete the 2nd and final cycle was 1335 days before 9/11/2001 Falling Man Moses, or Falling Pharoah)

(Earth Energy Grid Specifically//Really this has not real language, but an argument is there, remember human life and activity is "suicide pleasure only" in god's eyes, and humanity is nothing more then a slave, worthless, with no will to live, I guess a general statement)

II CHRONICLES 21:7 Howbeit the LORD would not destroy the house of David, because of the covenant that he had made with David, and as he promised to give a light to him and to his sons for ever. (forever)

(2 Samuel 23..............talks about the "ites".................King David says in 2Samuel23:3, this is a Description of the "Rock of God the Earth"...............then King David talks about the "ites".................remember the "ites" are a picture of Salvation)

(the Son of Man is Holy, the Judgement is Holy, the Earth is Holy.................and Humanity is not Holy in God's Eye's, Humanity is Suicide Pleasure only, that is what the statement from 2 Samuel 23 roughly translates to) (now we said the earth is holy) (King David is the King of Judah in the Book of Revelation, this value has not changed, God in the Old Testament Concealed his Law, and Humanity never reaches this conclusion in the book of Revelation, that is the general statement)

(concerning the genealogies::::::::::::::Genesis 5 is valid, Genesis 11 was not actionable (evolution chain non-existant).............1 Chronicles 1 Genealogy is valid, Matthew and Luke's Genealogy is not actionable (joseph's controversy of suicide or sin with humanity)

(King David talks about a genealogy of his birth sons:::::::::::2 Samuel 5:13, that is not valid with God and prophecy............therefore, God or King David, talked about the Genealogy of the "ites", before david's death in 2 Samuel 23)


EDITING

You need better sources as the ones you use are extremely innacurate. I was out watching the Geminid meteor shower on the peak evening and Betelgeus remains the brightest star in Orion. Astrophysicist have long known that red giants are in the last phase of stellar existence and could collapse and go Nova at any time without warning. We just don't know how long it takes for such a collapse.

 

[michaelvpardo]

You might want to consider Russian Christians, Chinese Christians, and Christians these days in the "Zero Zones" where there are no Christian churches. How would THEY even know when the "tribulation" started, since they've been murdered for their faith for decades.

All they have to do is read and believe scripture as the "Latter days" started with the resurrection of our Lord nearly 2000 years ago. Jesus spoke of great tribulation, but assuming that it all occurs in a brief period isn't really supported by scripture.
Some versions of scripture accurately describe the tribulation as the "travail " of the Earth. The word is normally used in describing the birthing process, and is understood to mean that the disasters and wars were to be sporadic, but increase in frequency and intensity as the day of His return approaches. This is exactly what has been happening for two millenia and through multiple empires and ages.
Trying to place all the tribulation into a 7 year period coincident with the reign of the Antichrist is a bit of a stretch from the Biblical narrative (but it makes for some entertaining movies.)

 

[Bob Carabbio]

All they have to do is read and believe scripture as the "Latter days" started with the resurrection of our Lord nearly 2000 years ago. Jesus spoke of great tribulation, but assuming that it all occurs in a brief period isn't really supported by scripture.
Some versions of scripture accurately describe the tribulation as the "travail " of the Earth. The word is normally used in describing the birthing process, and is understood to mean that the disasters and wars were to be sporadic, but increase in frequency and intensity as the day of His return approaches. This is exactly what has been happening for two millenia and through multiple empires and ages.
Trying to place all the tribulation into a 7 year period coincident with the reign of the Antichrist is a bit of a stretch from the Biblical narrative (but it makes for some entertaining movies.)

And illustrates again the total uselessness of Eschatologial theology.

 

[Enoch111]

And illustrates again the total uselessness of Eschatologial theology.

If it is useless to you, you have the option of staying out of any discussion regarding prophecies. Simply ignore eschatology and reduce your blood pressure.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

If it is useless to you, you have the option of staying out of any discussion regarding prophecies. Simply ignore eschatology and reduce your blood pressure.

As I've observed over the years "Eschatalogical foolishness" tends to have a VERY NEGATIVE effect on people that take it too seriously. I remember the fear, and confusion in the central Ohio churches tha "88 reasons" created back in '88 when folks took Whisnant's fantasy "seriously", and Camping's little fiasco in 2011 took its toll here in the Dallas area. SO what's important isn't MY "blood pressure", but what end times foolishness does to the church gathered when they believe (and worse yet expend resources) based on the False prophesies, and false Teachings.

 

[Heart2Soul]

As I've observed over the years "Eschatalogical foolishness" tends to have a VERY NEGATIVE effect on people that take it too seriously. I remember the fear, and confusion in the central Ohio churches tha "88 reasons" created back in '88 when folks took Whisnant's fantasy "seriously", and Camping's little fiasco in 2011 took its toll here in the Dallas area. SO what's important isn't MY "blood pressure", but what end times foolishness does to the church gathered when they believe (and worse yet expend resources) based on the False prophesies, and false Teachings.

There are many who are deceived by men, who follow every wind of doctrine, who lack wisdom, knowledge and understanding of God's Word, who are not able to spiritually discern the truth from a lie to rightly divide it.....
These are the ones who fail to study God's Word for themselves but would rather have others teach them....not able to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth...who are persuaded of their carnal mind instead of becoming spiritually minded.
As for the mature in Christ who are in the meat of God's Word, they are not so easily deceived because they have the ability to discern the truth...and they continue in His Word to learn and grow.
The Bible warns of such who would believe a lie and reject the truth...a reprobate mind.

 

[Aunty Jane]

None of us know now whether we are a sheep or a goat? How totally hypocritical it must have been for the apostles of the first century to encourage people to convert to Christianity, ensuring a likely difficult life of destitution and an early and violent death, but without knowing whether what they were preaching to everyone was actually the truth, and the people who they were sending to their deaths at the hands of scoffing idolaters weren't sure why they were dying and what for. What an interesting scenario and out of the box perspective of New Testament Christianity and the early church.

You know I shake my head when I read something like this....seriously Backlit...the time of the end is when the sheep and the goats are separated. An apostasy was foretold by Jesus and the apostles but only after the word of God was completed with the last remaining apostle John's letters and his Revelation. Then that window of history closed, ready for what was prophesied to come next.

We aren't talking about the first century because that was when Jesus and the apostles set the groundwork for the disciples who would follow in the future.

From Daniel's prophesies we know that we are living in the "time of the end" right now, and all the features of the sign that Jesus gave to indicate his "parousia" (Matthew 24:3-14) have all been fulfilled.....so now is the time when we have to use our own God-given scripture to see where we are in the stream of time....and more importantly, what we need to be "doing" at this juncture. (Matthew 7:21-23) But where do we find the diamond in the pile of broken glass? The truth is, we will never find it on our own.....Jesus said that it is God who opens hearts to his truth. No one can come to the Son without an invitation from his Father. (John 6:65) It is God who draws a person to his truth and without that invitation, no one can be assured of salvation. Jesus is the one doing the separating.

Add to the above all those who died at the hands of the pagans of those nations outside of the empire...the Zoroastrians of Persia...the Picts of Britain...then later at the hands of the Papacy...all those millions of martyrs and not one knowing whether he was saved or not. What a sad and depressing death they all must have experienced.

Its your interpretation of what I said that is sad and depressing....good grief.

All who have died regardless of whether they were martyred or not, are in the safest place possible.....their resting place, awaiting the call to come forth from their graves to the life that God first purposed for us. (John 5:28-29)
During these "last days" when Jesus has been "present" the resurrection of his elect has already taken place, so that when he comes as judge, the last of them will be gathered and his "bride" will be complete.

The incorrigibly wicked, like the Pharisees of Jesus day, and all who have committed wickedness unrepentantly down through time, will not be resurrected, but will be forever held in death...."Gehenna".....never to be seen again. (Matthew 10:28)

 

[Brakelite]

You know I shake my head when I read something like this....seriously

Never mind. One day you'll get it.

 

[Marty fox]

Yes, I understand how you look at it. I’ve read every one of your posts in this thread, Marty, as I don’t run across you much and was eager to finally hear you some. :)

I have seen how prophetic scripture can jack back and forth as in when Jesus got up to read and I can’t unsee it now, and actually think it is a key to dividing prophetic scripture correctly. Actually, I have seen ANOTHER key concerning something else which a friend shared with me and am convinced there may even be MORE keys. I would prefer someone more learned apply this key rather than me but I haven’t found that person as everyone has their minds made up already and can’t see the key as I have. Maybe one day, a more learned man will see it, as I do freely share it, and will be able, with Gods help, to use it more adeptly than I.

No problem but remember Jesus did say it would happen within that generation and it did.

The temple was destroyed and still hasn’t been rebuilt till this day

The sacrificial age ended and even until this day hasn’t resumed

Jesus came on the clouds with judgement just like the verse below.

Isaiah 19:1
A prophecy against Egypt: See, the LORD rides on a swift cloud and is coming to Egypt. The idols of Egypt tremble before him, and the hearts of the Egyptians melt with fear

Not only did Jesus predict these events He predicted them with a date and it did happen in 70AD within that generation proving without a doubt that Jesus is God.

This proved that Jesus was the one in Daniel 7:13-14 the son of man coming in the clouds to heaven which He referred Himself to in Matthew 26:64

After the events happened when Jesus said that they would happen they would of realized that Jesus was God