‘I really don’t know mark and this is what I’m trying to understand. Why do men throughout generations feel this “need” to say that the world will end in their lifetime?
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‘I really don’t know mark and this is what I’m trying to understand. Why do men throughout generations feel this “need” to say that the world will end in their lifetime?
Brakelite
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I don't believe the second coming id imminent because of future prophecy, but because of how prophecy has already been fulfilled in the past, particularly the last 200 years. You are right @GaryAnderson , the last 2 centuries have seen a dramatic rise in the number of people claiming that Jesus is coming back soon, and yes, some even set dates. There's a reason for that. The holy Spirit had been preparing the church for that event. It's even possible the Lord could have come back before today, in our father's or grandfather's generation, but the Lord delayed His coming because they weren't ready. And we're still not. Some still say, there's plenty of time.. No rush.
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I don't feel a need to think what I think, and I don't assume others do.
Asking "Why do you feel the need to think this?" is a complex question, a logical fallacy, it assumes something not part of the question.
Ask me if I need to think the age will end in my lifetime, the answer is no, and I prefer that it not, to be honest.
Ask me if I think it might, and yes, I do.
We don't need to feel some emotional investment in some conclusion we've reached concerning prophecy.
Much love!
Mark, the only reason I’m asking about this “need” is because it doesn’t sound right to most people to predict the end of the world.
Because you’re literally talking about The End.
For example I don’t have a need to say “buckle up guys, the rapture is happening tomorrow because …. Vaccines or some other random event”.
But some other people have this “need”. I guess they’re wired differently. That’s the only answer I can come up with.
Because you’re literally talking about The End.
For example I don’t have a need to say “buckle up guys, the rapture is happening tomorrow because …. Vaccines or some other random event”.
But some other people have this “need”. I guess they’re wired differently. That’s the only answer I can come up with.
I’m sorry but are you really saying here that Men were right in the past about prediction dates but God than changed his mind? Are you really saying that?
The Bible prophesies the end of the age, and it describes a lot about how things will be, and we see a lot of that right now, things that haven't happened in previous centuries.
I could ask with the same fairness, why do you feel the need to not see the prophecies and the signs of the times? I'm not saying that, mind you, only that it's the same kind of question.
Much love!
That’s a great question and my answer is : because I have eternal peace in the message that The Father alone knows the time. So when it happens, then it’s time. So, I’m not concerned about this event in my lifetime basically and I especially don’t want to predict anything.
That's cool!
I too am fine with leaving it in the Father's hands. One of the things He told me to do was to keep watch, so I'd know the times I live in. I suggest we all do that.
. . . not forsaking the assembling together, and all the more as you see the day approaching.
Much love!
If you want to know when and why the world will end go back to Genesis chapters 4-5-6 and see when & why God destroyed the world back then.
There's lots about the end times in those chapters
What is more astonishing are the prophesies that HAVE come to pass...:)
Dave Watchman
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Because I want to know.
If there's any possibility to know this, I WANT to know.
That thing about the glory of kings to search out a matter.
"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.
I know.
But the next thing that He says is for as in the days BEFORE the flood.
“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Just like we are now. Buying and selling and eating and drinking. Worried about inflation and the cares of this life. I doubt He was talking about the actual second coming, the Arrival. He was probably talking about the end time equivalent to the day that the flood came and took them all away. Maybe one will be taken, one will be left. Something bad is going to happen very suddenly. Maybe a third of mankind will be destroyed.
I'd rather not speculate on the details of the event. I don't know exactly what's going to happen.
But I honestly believe that I have the timing right, and that we are closer than the traditional prophecy expositors expect.
And Just because I think I know it, I don't think anyone else needs to know it if they don't want to know it.
There's enough stress right now in the world.
The only thing that is for certain in this life is death. Which comes at an unknown day, and unknown time. Keep faith and trust in God having hope in everlasting life - and love while you are here.
Hidden In Him
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Hi, Gary.
I have consistently stated since joining the forums over four years ago that I do NOT think His return is coming in my lifetime. In fact, I'm 100% sure of it, though I never deny others the ability to prepare for His return at any time if they so choose. It is a healthy thing to always be waiting upon the Lord, so long as one does not sell his house and quit his job. But that time is drawing closer, as is evident from numerous things which would be far too complex to get into here. But will the end come in the next 30 years? No. What's coming next on the prophetic calendar is the breakdown of the world's economies, yet another thing I have remained consistent about and posted again on it just yesterday:
Returning To A 19th Century Standard Of Living Soon?
Out of this economic breakdown, we will see social unrest eventually take hold on a scale the earth has never seen before. But we have a long ways to go even to get to that yet.
In short, I believe we are in the early stages of seeing the four horsemen of the apocalypse begin to march, but this by no means suggests the rest of Revelation or Daniel will soon be fulfilled. We still have a long ways to go, and I will by no means live to see it.
@GaryAnderson there is a book called Christianity Great Dilemma by Glenn Hill, and it talks about either Jesus came back when he said he was coming back or his apostles were wrong.
I believe i will get it the next I’m I get a check and look and see what all it has to offer.
Some many people believe Jesus is still coming back, and people are still going to hell and all this stuff when Jesus did in fact not lie to his apostle and they did not lie to the people they where talking to about his return back then in that Age where they needed to be ready, pure, spotless and blameless as the church bride back then.
I believe Jesus already came back and God through Christ Jesus is the ruler of the kingdom in my heart that is unobservable. Jesus said his kingdom was not of this world otherwise his servants would fight. Which makes the faith subjective.
I believe i will get it the next I’m I get a check and look and see what all it has to offer.
Some many people believe Jesus is still coming back, and people are still going to hell and all this stuff when Jesus did in fact not lie to his apostle and they did not lie to the people they where talking to about his return back then in that Age where they needed to be ready, pure, spotless and blameless as the church bride back then.
I believe Jesus already came back and God through Christ Jesus is the ruler of the kingdom in my heart that is unobservable. Jesus said his kingdom was not of this world otherwise his servants would fight. Which makes the faith subjective.
Ah…you’ve read some books on end times. Okay. But just hold that mans thoughts loosely enough to adjust if you eventually find he might be off on a thing or two. The scriptures need to take precedence. I know it’s hard to wait for the Holy Spirit to piece it together. He seems slow sometimes to me! But His timing is right.
What do you think about Jesus lying to his apostles? Did the apostles also lie to those they were writing too? Even without the book, you still have to question this even so.
Jesus told James, Peter and John, when they came to him privately saying when will all these things take place and then he told them, but he didn’t tell them the day or hour when it would be fully let out (destruction of Israel) they however wouldn’t miss the signs. Or did they? Was they lying to the people they were writing to as well about the return?
Why in the hell would they tell them about the return then and there? Is it really future? Coming today? Was it really then?
Secular historians : Sertonious (this may be spelled with a u, Surtonious?), Cassio Dio, Josephus. Some people to consider.
Questions questions are good, and I’m unfortunately cursed not have a wife… cause I’m not good at questioning haha.
God bless all of you and take care.
Jesus told James, Peter and John, when they came to him privately saying when will all these things take place and then he told them, but he didn’t tell them the day or hour when it would be fully let out (destruction of Israel) they however wouldn’t miss the signs. Or did they? Was they lying to the people they were writing to as well about the return?
Why in the hell would they tell them about the return then and there? Is it really future? Coming today? Was it really then?
Secular historians : Sertonious (this may be spelled with a u, Surtonious?), Cassio Dio, Josephus. Some people to consider.
Questions questions are good, and I’m unfortunately cursed not have a wife… cause I’m not good at questioning haha.
God bless all of you and take care.
MatthewG, the more we see of your posts, the more it appears that you do not believe any Bible doctrines (such as those above), and are simply making up your own theology. Unless you change your thinking, we will need to see you as a false teacher sowing seeds of spiritual confusion. From what I recall, you have not been a Christian for too long, but you have certainly been infected with the virus of false doctrines. Not sure whom you have been listening to or reading.
1. Yes. The Second Coming of Christ is still a solid Bible doctrine.
2. Yes. The reality of Hell -- the Lake of Fire -- is still a solid Bible doctrine.
Well…it’s sort of like…sometimes a scripture will look like it’s all the same time frame but it jacks ahead suddenly to the future, only you don’t know it because it doesn’t specifically say so. It was Jesus who made me see that, by where He stopped speaking right in the middle of a sentence of scripture He got up to read.
Do you know where I’m talking about?
tsk. Oh my gosh, really?? Give him time to work it out, my gosh Paul went like 14 years? before he even consulted with other men. Geez.
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