A bit of a mess in the White House.

[Lizbeth]

Separation of church and state does not exist in our constitution. There is a clause to not prevent the free exercise of religion. President Obama told churches that if they preach politics, they will lose their 503c status. That backed churches off but should not have. Churches have the right to preach the gospel and warn of pollical views. A pastor leads a church in Christ discipleship and should not be required to put their head in the sand. If abortion is wrong, the church should say it without fear. The church stands against immorality and the Obama administration was out to punish anyone who disagreed with "woke", and DEI policies. He lit the White House with rainbow colors. Anti-Christ he was.

I don't know if it is explicitly enshrined in your Constitution or not, I just know it used to be generally understood, even I have understood it for as long as I can remember, it was discussed in high school, and I'm not a scholar of any kind. But like a lot of wisdom it appears to be wisdom that is being lost these days.

 

[Wick Stick]

I don't think there is such a thing as a one-way union. Otherwise it isn't a union.

I don't quite understand this part. I didn't say anything about it being a union, so I'm guessing you're thinking of... something else? But I don't know what?

If you're mixing church and state together, it is by definition and nature going to be two-way, and historically it doesn't work out well at all. Just look at the bloody mess England was for centuries.

Right, that's the problem - multiple churches insisting their way is best and trying to force everyone else to tow that line. The American solution to that problem was to separate the Federal government from religion, while allowing each State to still have its own singular flavor of Christianity.

I mentioned it before but it bears repeating. Maryland was founded as a Catholic colony. The original government there was embedded with the Catholic church. No separation. The same is true for New York and the Dutch Reformed Church. Each of America's original colonies had their own state church; separation of church and state was NOT originally intended to apply to the governments of those colonies/states.

The whole idea of not mixing church and state was because of being wise to the flaws and weakness and fickleness of fallen human nature and was meant to safeguard against it.......but apostasy and sin leads to a loss of wisdom.

The whole idea of separation of church and state was to prevent one church from weaponizing the government against other churches.

Recently in America, we have seen our Department of Education weaponized to promote LGBT ideology. That's the sort of thing it's meant to prevent.

 

[Wick Stick]

President Obama told churches that if they preach politics, they will lose their 503c status. That backed churches off but should not have.

That's been going on for a long time. It's been happening since at least the 1980's, which is a couple decades before Obama.

 

[Rockerduck]

That's been going on for a long time. It's been happening since at least the 1980's, which is a couple decades before Obama.

Not to the degree President Obama did at all.

 

[Wick Stick]

Not to the degree President Obama did at all.

Threatening a church's status as a charity isn't much of a stick anymore.

The real threat is removing their exemption from filing a tax return. That would open their finances to public scrutiny. Alas, the churches must not think they would survive such scrutiny.

 

[Wrangler]

If I remember my history lessons, the idea was that the state would not be allowed to elevate one Christian denomination over another, lest we end up with something like the Church of England.

Giving good governance is just one more things Christians should be doing, in my opinion. Those who think Christians should stay out of government would have us all ruled by evildoers, lest any Christian be found to be fleshy corrupt governors.

But I think that if someone serves Christ, and someone else doesn't, all other things being equal, I'd sooner have the one who serves Christ.

Much love!

I started a thread on this a couple of years ago asking if Christians are better off ruled by Atheists and Satanists. Most refused to answer. The answer is obvious and shows how overly spiritualized Christendom has become.

 

[marks]

I don't quite understand this part. I didn't say anything about it being a union, so I'm guessing you're thinking of... something else? But I don't know what?

Right, that's the problem - multiple churches insisting their way is best and trying to force everyone else to tow that line. The American solution to that problem was to separate the Federal government from religion, while allowing each State to still have its own singular flavor of Christianity.

I mentioned it before but it bears repeating. Maryland was founded as a Catholic colony. The original government there was embedded with the Catholic church. No separation. The same is true for New York and the Dutch Reformed Church. Each of America's original colonies had their own state church; separation of church and state was NOT originally intended to apply to the governments of those colonies/states.

The whole idea of separation of church and state was to prevent one church from weaponizing the government against other churches.

Recently in America, we have seen our Department of Education weaponized to promote LGBT ideology. That's the sort of thing it's meant to prevent.

I think this "separation" has been widely misunderstood.

I'm seeing so many comments in this thread that show me there is a lot of misunderstanding going around. Although some just seem determined to trash our president.

Much love!

 

[Wick Stick]

I think this "separation" has been widely misunderstood.

Misunderstood or misappropriated? The ACLU and others have used it as a way to wage lawfare against churches.

 

[marks]

Misunderstood or misappropriated? The ACLU and others have used it as a way to wage lawfare against churches.

Both, I think! But yes, you make a good point!

Much love!

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

A treaty is a treaty and I don't have to be an American expert to understand what that means. Putin the dictator who kills every political opponent (Alexei Navalny and Yevgeny Prigozhin as the last 2 examples) broke the treaty in 2014 taking Ukraine land, the annexation of Crimea because Putin could not live with democratic choice of the majority of the Ukraine people to belong to the EU, starting a war in the east of the country supporting the separatists with Russian weapons and shot MH17 resulting in about 300 deaths, the majority Dutch people, upon this day still denying he (Putin) had nothing to do with the crime while the evidence is overwhelming.

The List Is Long: Russians Who Have Died After Running Afoul Of The Kremlin

The list of influential Russians who have been killed or died under murky circumstances after opposing, criticizing, or crossing Putin, the Kremlin, or the state is long. The latest addition is Aleksei Navalny, who crusaded against corruption and led anti-Kremlin protests.

www.rferl.org

Putin stepping into the footsteps of Stalin, killing every opposition.

Good luck making a deal with that man, president Biden after he met Putin -

• Biden said he once told Putin "I don't think you have a soul" during a 2011 visit to Russia.
• He said Putin replied, "We understand one another."

And that was 3 years before the trouble began.

If Russia was still Communist you would not of heard anything in such regards killing of any opposition.
You know that Their are opposition partys in Russia and many people are within such organisations.
Not to mention no proof that such people were killed on the orders of Putin in fact.
Not to mention when Russia was Communist, the whole world never said a word in regards anything much that the Communist did anyway ! Same with China !
They kill who ever they want to in their own Nation.

Putin made a very good come back their "We understand one another"

I wonder why Socialist like Biden and Obama do not Like Russia ? Is it because that Russia once was Communist and Putin never wants to repeat that hell hole, as he has stated all about the evils of Communism what a shocking hell hole it all was !
But The Socialist in the West are hell bound to repeat it all again in fact !
It's Communism II ? IT WILL WORK THIS TIME ! That's what all of the Communist here demand !
Communism is the power of the People ? that's what they claim here !
It's going to be wonderfull ! no one will be better off that you ! so your ego will be intact !

But No ! one should listen to what Putin has said about Communism and what it truly was in fact, but our MSM nowadays will not alow to show all of what Putin once said years ago in fact !
For Putin is correct in saying that the USA was heading down the same rabbit hole that Russia once did ! this was before Trump.

The USA MSM came out with idiot foolish propaganda claiming that Putin would not know or understand anything !
The same old moronic idiot propaganda that they use of Trump. claiming Trump was only a TV host. and Putin just some fool no hoper no body walking down the street, that was picked out at random !

Only a Communist could be so stupid to believe crap like the MSM peddles, because such people have been subjected to to such brainwashed conditioning ! Utopia is a great calling card ! only total morons believe in Utopia's.

You know that even if one is not on your side, it's best not to be a idiot or the idiot ! for if you truly understand where the idiot is coming from, you have a chance of becoming friends and brake down all of their foolish perseptions ? but if you bite at oneanother you are only just another Mutt !
Russia was well on the Path to becoming as one with the USA, sure some differences for sure but all was going fine from Russia's side !
Russia was on the up and up, regardless of all of the MSM dribble. but now the lack of trust that the Russians have is well founded !

I was happy with Russia progressing well, regardless of all of the childish MSM rantings that were oblivious to the reality of Russia coming out of Communism, such was astounding, what Nation could of done it, Putin is the greatest Leader by far in Russia in fact ! he could not of done such a task being a whimp. Not one political leadership could of done half of the good that Putin did for Russia in fact !
Putin is a very bright dude !

But how do we stop the War in Ukraine ? well the West only demands War regardless !

The strangle hold of the Socialist in the West and all of their years of Satanic cultural Marxist propaganda working to undermine our society with all of the stupid idiot filth and outright lies, genda BS, groverling to the lowers comon denominator you name it is Evil as it comes.
Russia however is not being undermined by Putin with all of the pathetic BS we are being demanded to put up with.
So Trump is one who is not for the direction that we were being forced down our neck by total creeps.

So I say just be nice to Russia Work things out and all will be good in fact !

If Europe want War with Russia, let them go it alone ! They can not even look after their own People in fact as it is let alone deal with a real War ! The only reason I could see for Europ wanting a War is to cull their own populations ! and that will happen with starvation in the main ! not to mention everyones Superanuation will be gone ! wiped out !

So what to do ! get rid of the Socialist Governments they are clearly bastards who are undermining every Nation to become dumping grounds for nothing but trash everything. they are Evil !

 

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Obvious Trump supporters.