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Read my reply to marks and what commentators say. He does not leave many more times. I'll be honest. You seem to post a lot of info that does not exist in the Bible. Multiple resurrections, multiple raptures, multiple advents. You realize those are called heresies right?

I don't see any conundrum. A Pre-TB rapture says he leaves heaven to meet us in the air at the resurrection. Most of them place that time before Rev 5 and some place it at the 6th seal. This issue is, things need to be removed in order for there to be a restoration to an earlier state. Acts 3:21...

Sure. Acts 3:21 Heaven must receive him till the restoration of all things. If he hasnt even opened the seals yet, nothing has been removed for anything to be restored. Because of this, it is impossible for him to leave heaven and resurrect or rapture anyone before any seals. You did no such...

I understand that many in the church have studied their whole lives and not one will ever say they know it all. I surely don't. But what I do know is that he comes for the Church after the seals, not before. That is because scripture tell's us that, not because it's something I believe that I...

@rebuilder 454 and @The Light The point is, here were 2 examples that both have a resurrection happening in the Kingdom. Is there a third to match these 2? Yes. The third proof that backs the 2 posted also has a judgment and a reward in the kingdom. Rev 11:18, after the kingdoms of this world...

What does being spiritually ready have to do with pre-tb? You replied to: If pre-trib rapture is actual Truth from Above = you should be able to show forth this 'truth' whereby ALL can SEE. What you quoted has nothing to do with pre-tb; zero zilch nada. Were all supposed to remain awake and ready.

No, you stated, Well, here's what happens at the end of the 6th seal. Revelation 6 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; You made a statement and linked it to the saying, the day of his wrath has come. Now, you might not have meant it that way, but I did not put words in your mouth, you...

Here are 2..I can give more. 2 Timothy 4:1 - At his appearing in his Kingdom Isaiah 25:6-8 Notice in this mountain, the same mountain of Daniel 7:14 When will he swallow up death in victory? In this mountain! What does it refer to? 1 Cor 15:52-55

They are not the church but they are for God's wrath? How is that possible? They are blessed: Rev 14:13 They keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus per Rev 14:12 Therefore they are sealed with the HS till the day of redemption (Ephesians 1:14) because it is the downpayment...

By your logic, the great day of God's wrath comes when the 6th seal is opened. That means the 6th seal is wrath, the 7th seal is wrath and everything after. And that is not accurate. The point is, the earth dwellers recognize an event at the 6th seal and they announce they think its God's wrath...

They’re not trumpets of wrath. The first four are not even woes! Think about that a moment:They arnt even woes yet you call them wrath on mankind. No different than Pre-TBers calling the seals wrath and disregarding OT texts that say otherwise. Here’s a question: According to the Bible, When...

I'd go a step further Ronald. I'd say parts are and parts are not. But if we said Revelation 6-20 are completely chronological in sequence, no it is not. Some chapters have a chronological component but are not sequential. Others are not and give additional information of a subject. Example...

A couple of points to make. The 144k are first fruit Jews as you say. And who is a Jew? Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Romans 10:12 For there is no...

You didn’t show me anything. What you did was tell me what you thought. Christ is not shown to return at or directly after the 6th seal. What OT scripture does say is that he declares his majesty and rises up in order to perform his judgment after that event. He doesn’t leave heaven till the...

There is only 1 more coming. As soon as you introduce 2 more comings, you strayed from hermeneutical texts.

What is being omitted? Do you not understand what we represent?

Yes, the dead rise first. And that event happens at his coming and his kingdom per 2 Tim 4:1 When does Christ Kingdom come in Revelation because it doesn’t happen on a Pre-TB timeline

It seems to me you’re not thinking about the words. You’re assuming when it says immediately after the tribulation of those days, that the son of man comes immediately after the signs. It doesn’t say that. The only thing immediate after tribulation of those days is the signs in the sun, moon...

You made 2 more advents. He only comes back for one more advent. Only one more return. He does not leave heaven till the restoration of all things. That means he doesn’t leave heaven at the 6th seal and returns to heaven and then leaves it again at the end of the trumpets when nothing is...

It’s not my doctrine as I created it, It was Paul’s.