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His revisions are preordained and not really revisions. Delays are not really delays, though these all bring "what ifs" into question. I think they are fairly Biblical and rational "what ifs". I kind of share part of your view about the martyrdom being a period of time event, but, as well, a...

There are just as many Christians in churches as there are outside churches. They still encompass the church, as identified by the same spirit living inside all of us. Though there are many parts of the body, we share the same lifeblood, that is Christ's spirit whom runs much thicker than...

Hey Rex, I sent you a message in your inbox.

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It's one thing to post your source, it's another to expound on what the source is saying in your own words. That is how you have a discussion, instead of a school-teacher to student relationship.

Xian- "Heheeh tell me, if your friend is being stupid and it's going to kill him, is telling him he is stupid to make him face it, worse than avoiding the word and him not "getting it" and dying?" That's a good point, but what if your friend is imagining himself about to die a horrible death...

You can avoid sin two ways, and they are the same. You accept atonement for your sins in relation to Christ's atonement on the cross, and by "love covers a multitude of sin." I guess that is less avoidance, more atonement. So I'm saying the same thing when I say love covers a multitude of...

I'm almost thinking we have the same view concerning salvation and sanctification Xian, but we're using different terminology for each. I would like to say I agree with you, but we have to find some common ground on our terminology.

"Only the elect? Please examine the reasoning I gave that everyone who ever lived before the time Jesus walked the earth sould be given the opporrtunity to hear the truth of Jesus that they can accept Christ. Or do you tink all those that had no chance to accept Jesus, because they were born...

"You should vote your conscience. But above all, you need to vote. If you don't vote then you've pretty much given up your right to be taken seriously when you whine about politics." I don't know, Foreigner. I can't imagine voting for either candidate. Isn't that something to whine about...

Wow, I've never felt the liberty to make a personal attack on the forums. However, everything might be permissible, but not everything is beneficial... so... I won't. (I didn't have an attack anyway, wait, here's my attack.) -> :angry: ... that doesn't even feel right. :wacko:

The way I'm talking about teaches 1 way, and in order to get there you have to stumble through an obstacle course called "I'm a fool who believes what I'm doing isn't sin, so shouldn't God love me anyway?" If you teach a non-Christian that God will love them anyway before teaching them about...

Actually Xian, I guess I was disagreeing with you up there at some point, I just didn't notice that at the time I wrote that statement. I think you were arguing with Veteran at the time, anyway... to Dragonfly- The sin regarding the death of Christ has to fall under one of the two sacrifices...

"Give one the idea of it, and in the right environment, he will become that."-excerpt I believe this is true, but I don't think it limits the idea that we can be predisposed to sin, even spiritually (forget physically for now. If science can explain it, it will. If it can't, it won't?)...

Forget however the crap I said it; see how Rach says it. That's a lot better... I guess we moved into a "once saved, always saved" area of discussion, but that's what this would have lead back to anyway. That's a tricky one to comprehend rationally. The Holy Spirit is our comforter. Comfort...

"Homosexuality is NOT created by God. You talk about one extreme of people who hate homosexuals themselves, but without realizing it, jump into the other camp: the camp that says, you know what, God made you that way." You can be born a Homosexual, but that doesn't mean God created you that...

Hey, I wasn't even the one disagreeing with you here. I don't think I even noticed who it was. I'm not even sure what you're disagreeing about with whomever you began disagreeing with in the first place. Just saying.

I don't know if I mentioned anywhere that I'm a homosexual. I'm not. I'm not saying anything against them either, just clarifying. So you believe it is a spiritually inherited trait after disobedience (sin)? "However, I can accept that if a genetic predisposition exists because of the...

I don't disagree with your end result concerning when sanctification is finished. But your term for sanctification is my term for Salvation, and your result of the sanctification is the same as mine. I'm saying the point of salvation happens before sanctification. I believe you no matter how...

"TO be in Christ you do not sin." -Xian Actually, he's right... and wrong to the rest of the post. "You" (anyone) can't be in Christ and sin (at least intentionally). We (everyone human) can still sin after the point of salvation. We lose our fellowship with Him when we sin, not our...