Obey!

[th1b.taylor]

Luk 3:21 Now when all the people were baptised, Jesus was also baptised, and while He was praying, heaven was opened,
Luk 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased."

There is an inferred lie being taught in churches today that I like to see discussed. From the prophets of the Old Testament the Jewish Believer knew that a man, now known as John the Baptist, would be the fore runner of the Messiah, the Christ in Greek. When John came out of the Wilderness preaching the Baptism and Repentance, the Faithful went to him to be baptised, to be obedient to the Father in Heaven.

As nearly as I can reckon it Jesus was born about six months after John, making them, not just some distant relative to each other, they were, though raised apart, close contemporaries. John recognized Jesus as the Christ the very moment Jesus appeared and, thus, proclaimed Him to be such. John called Jesus the Lamb of God. Until Jesus died on the cross a lamb was sacrificed, at least, every year for a man's sins and John announces Him to be God's Lamb.

The inferred lie comes from a truth in the manor it is taught or explained. It is, absolutely, true that any Christian that has, nasty word, submitted their life to the, another nasty, service of God is not condemned by the, so called Mosaic Law. Every man and woman seated in the Church on Sunday Morning that as not made this commitment is condemned by the Law of our God. They are no better off, eternally, than the drunk in the juke joint on Saturday night.

Jesus, while He was on the Earth, set an example of what we were to strive to become and for us to follow and Jesus, being God (John 1:1-3) did not find nor did He need salvation and the reason He went to the cross for me and for you was to restore our fellowship with God and it all boils down in the end of it all to obedience to the Father. Jesus prayed in the garden for “...this cup...” to pass him by, followed with, “...not my will but Thine.” Jesus was being obedient to all that is written in the Old Testament and to the Father! And in doing so, set, not only an example, but also, a standard.

Jesus told us He came not to do away with the Law but to fulfil it. Now, I suggest to you, Jesus is the example we are to strive to follow! Comments?

 

[rand]

Yes. 100 percent agree. we should heal the sick and raise the dead, cast out demons, speak harsh words to those who think they are doing a great job keeping the commandments, and show nothing but grace to the sinners--so much so that they repent, and to take that authority over the earth that God gave us including but not limited to commanding the wind and waves, and walking on water.

That's what Jesus did. But all He commanded us to do is heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons, take the gospel to the world and love, love, .love, He taught us to forgive, to have faith in God, and to pray in His name.

Did I miss anything?

 

[Xian Pugilist]

God set apart a people to be holy.
To be holy they needed a different standard to live by.
The law was that standard
They were made a holy people so the holy of holies in person would be identifiable.

The messiah, is the holiest person, of the holy people set apart from humanity.

The law defined the holy nation, and the messiah.

When the messiah died for the sins of all, the purpose of the holy nation and the holy law was accomplished.

The law was fulfilled.

 

[Axehead]

Nevertheless, the law is still here. The scriptures are clear that it has not died.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

As we can see, James says "IF we fullfil the royal law", implying that we may not. It is a daily choice you make. We still have to fulfill the law by loving our neighbor. So when we fail to love our neighbor we are breaking God's law aren't we? If we are not fulfilling it, we are breaking it. Very simple.

I submit to you that LAWS are not laws without a penalty, otherwise how can they be a law? The law did not pass away and neither did the penalties.

Do all these warnings in the NT now make sense to you? The basis character of God towards sin has not changed. We see blessings and cursings in the OT and they are still in the NT for those who break God's laws.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Axehead

 

[Xian Pugilist]

The law has NEVER been here for gentiles. In Christ's Church you are of the order of Melchizedek. That priesthood was here before the law, before the jews, and thus before the gentiles.

That's why Paul says in Him there is no Jew or Gentile.

 

[Mungo]

The Law of Moses was fulfilled, the Law that was given on Sinai.

There is however an eternal moral law that we are bound to obey.

We can see this in Gen 4 when Cain murdered Abel. He knew it was wrong and was punished by God.

We can see it in Gen 49 when Jacob gave his blessing to Judah because those older than him had seriously sinned.
Rueben has slept with Jacob's concubine (adultery) (Gen 35:22)
Simeon and Levi committed murder (Gen 34:35)

 

[dragonfly]

Hi th1b.taylor.

Every man and woman seated in the Church on Sunday Morning that as not made this commitment is condemned by the Law of our God. They are no better off, eternally, than the drunk in the juke joint on Saturday night.

Isn't this because they are dead, spiritually speaking, as Paul pointed out in Romans 5 and Ephesians 2:1 - 3, until they turn from sin?

 

[Xian Pugilist]

Hi th1b.taylor.



Isn't this because they are dead, spiritually speaking, as Paul pointed out in Romans 5 and Ephesians 2:1 - 3, until they turn from sin?

No, it's because they are not yet led by the Spirit. They could be running the race TO the Spirit and just not there yet. Matt 5:18. If you are led by the Spirit you aren't under the law.

Would you equate this to "God written on our hearts?"

The Law of Moses was fulfilled, the Law that was given on Sinai.

There is however an eternal moral law that we are bound to obey.

We can see this in Gen 4 when Cain murdered Abel. He knew it was wrong and was punished by God.

We can see it in Gen 49 when Jacob gave his blessing to Judah because those older than him had seriously sinned.
Rueben has slept with Jacob's concubine (adultery) (Gen 35:22)
Simeon and Levi committed murder (Gen 34:35)

 

[Mungo]

Would you equate this to "God written on our hearts?"

Yes, and it is also written in the New Testament. For example:

Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy, outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness, dissensions, factions, occasions of envy, drinking bouts, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Gal 5:19-21)

Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor 6:9-10)

Added.

We are in a New Covenant with new laws (commandments)
If you love me, you will keep my commandments. (Jn 14:15)
If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and remain in his love. (Jn 15:10)

 

[Xian Pugilist]

I'm really disappointed. When we agree the conversation gets really short unless we are gonna pat each other's backs or something..... And most will attest that is simply against my nature. :)

Yes, and it is also written in the New Testament. For example:

Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy, outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness, dissensions, factions, occasions of envy, drinking bouts, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Gal 5:19-21)

Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor 6:9-10)

 

[martinlawrencescott]

I attest.

 

[Mungo]

I'm really disappointed. When we agree the conversation gets really short unless we are gonna pat each other's backs or something..... And most will attest that is simply against my nature. :)

Ah!

I'm going on holiday soon so I'm winding down.

When I am back, fully refreshed, I'll come up with long complicated arguments.

 

[th1b.taylor]

ranci, you will need to judge that, I can't.

God set apart a people to be holy.
To be holy they needed a different standard to live by.
The law was that standard
They were made a holy people so the holy of holies in person would be identifiable.

The messiah, is the holiest person, of the holy people set apart from humanity.

The law defined the holy nation, and the messiah.

When the messiah died for the sins of all, the purpose of the holy nation and the holy law was accomplished.

The law was fulfilled.

I just posted a new message, "Jesus¨ and I pray you will read it. There is a heart to the Law and it has not passed.

Nevertheless, the law is still here. The scriptures are clear that it has not died.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

As we can see, James says "IF we fullfil the royal law", implying that we may not. It is a daily choice you make. We still have to fulfill the law by loving our neighbor. So when we fail to love our neighbor we are breaking God's law aren't we? If we are not fulfilling it, we are breaking it. Very simple.

I submit to you that LAWS are not laws without a penalty, otherwise how can they be a law? The law did not pass away and neither did the penalties.

Do all these warnings in the NT now make sense to you? The basis character of God towards sin has not changed. We see blessings and cursings in the OT and they are still in the NT for those who break God's laws.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Axehead

God bless you, Axehead.

The law has NEVER been here for gentiles. In Christ's Church you are of the order of Melchizedek. That priesthood was here before the law, before the jews, and thus before the gentiles.

That's why Paul says in Him there is no Jew or Gentile.

Wrong! Any person that is not indwelt with and by the Holy Spirit is under the Law!

The Law of Moses was fulfilled, the Law that was given on Sinai.

There is however an eternal moral law that we are bound to obey.

We can see this in Gen 4 when Cain murdered Abel. He knew it was wrong and was punished by God.

We can see it in Gen 49 when Jacob gave his blessing to Judah because those older than him had seriously sinned.
Rueben has slept with Jacob's concubine (adultery) (Gen 35:22)
Simeon and Levi committed murder (Gen 34:35)

Thank you and may God bless you, Mungo!

Hi th1b.taylor.



Isn't this because they are dead, spiritually speaking, as Paul pointed out in Romans 5 and Ephesians 2:1 - 3, until they turn from sin?

That is exactly true, God bless.

I'm really disappointed. When we agree the conversation gets really short unless we are gonna pat each other's backs or something..... And most will attest that is simply against my nature. :)

XP,
No one has asked for a pat on the back but... the saved man is indwelt and led by the Holy Spirit! Now, in Mal. 3:6 we find God/Jesus informing the Jewish believer that he never changes. Therefore the Holy Spirit will never disagree with Himself and any Saved Man is indwelt by and with the Holy Spirit. Are you quenching the Spirit?

 

[jiggyfly]

Luk 3:21 Now when all the people were baptised, Jesus was also baptised, and while He was praying, heaven was opened,
Luk 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased."

There is an inferred lie being taught in churches today that I like to see discussed. From the prophets of the Old Testament the Jewish Believer knew that a man, now known as John the Baptist, would be the fore runner of the Messiah, the Christ in Greek. When John came out of the Wilderness preaching the Baptism and Repentance, the Faithful went to him to be baptised, to be obedient to the Father in Heaven.

As nearly as I can reckon it Jesus was born about six months after John, making them, not just some distant relative to each other, they were, though raised apart, close contemporaries. John recognized Jesus as the Christ the very moment Jesus appeared and, thus, proclaimed Him to be such. John called Jesus the Lamb of God. Until Jesus died on the cross a lamb was sacrificed, at least, every year for a man's sins and John announces Him to be God's Lamb.

You left out some of the scripture, a very important part.
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
John 1:29 (NLT)
Jesus was indeed the Lamb of God but you failed to mention that He (Jesus) takes away the sin of the world.

The inferred lie comes from a truth in the manor it is taught or explained. It is, absolutely, true that any Christian that has, nasty word, submitted their life to the, another nasty, service of God is not condemned by the, so called Mosaic Law. Every man and woman seated in the Church on Sunday Morning that as not made this commitment is condemned by the Law of our God. They are no better off, eternally, than the drunk in the juke joint on Saturday night.

Jesus, while He was on the Earth, set an example of what we were to strive to become and for us to follow and Jesus, being God (John 1:1-3) did not find nor did He need salvation and the reason He went to the cross for me and for you was to restore our fellowship with God and it all boils down in the end of it all to obedience to the Father. Jesus prayed in the garden for “...this cup...” to pass him by, followed with, “...not my will but Thine.” Jesus was being obedient to all that is written in the Old Testament and to the Father! And in doing so, set, not only an example, but also, a standard.

Jesus told us He came not to do away with the Law but to fulfil it. Now, I suggest to you, Jesus is the example we are to strive to follow! Comments?

19 Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people.
Gal 3:19 (NLT)

Seems to me you should lay down your religious paradigm and allow HolySpirit to reveal His truth on the subject.