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Oh, I understand what you think it to be saying very well. <smile> We disagree. I do. <smile> Thanks be to God. <smile> Well, I know very well that you've said that many times, but no, that that verse (Philippians 2:13) illustrates very clearly a cause-and-effect relationship, the effect...

Now, this is not directly related, but very similar in a certain way, and I'll explain why: Think of evangelism, SI. Paul says "So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ" (Romans 10:17). And again, faith, by definition, is the gift of God, assurance given by God...

There is no "cooperation with the Holy Spirit" in God's work of salvation. We are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them., just as Paul says in Ephesians 2:9-10. No, but I do think along the same lines as Paul and...

I will say this, just to your citation of Romans 7 and verses 7 to 9, specifically. Just so I don't, uh, leave ya hangin'... <smile> Paul is speaking of himself and his relationship with God before he actually sinned. The prohibition against coveting stimulated the desire in him to sin ~...

You apparently don't even understand your own view, SI. That's the point. But you do say we manufacture our own faith, which is to say, then, that the person responsible for giving you the assurance of things hoped for and the conviction of things not seen is you yourself. ...is so absolutely...

He was chosen to further God's purpose in the way that he did. That has nothing to do with being chosen to receive salvation or not. Not so; again, the two have nothing to do with each other. God used Judas (among many others) to play a part in His purpose of sending Jesus to the cross, and...

It is. We disagree, of course. Yes, it is, I agree. But what we disagree on is the sense, the nature of these things. It's all real, for sure. I absolutely, totally agree, as all Amillennialists worth their salt would, but Satan can do nothing without the permission of God Himself, without...

No one deserves His mercy and compassion. No one. Everyone falls short of the glory of God. But, He has mercy and compassion on some, but not others. Why, well, Paul tells us... God, desired, from all eternity, to show His wrath and to make known His power. So He endures with much patience...

In John 15:16, Jesus ~ Who is God, of course ~ says, "You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide..." In Ephesians 2:8-10, Paul says of all of us who have been born again of the Spirit, "...by grace you have been...

What you said would mean everyone is saved. You said, "The elect includes all of Adam and Eve's offspring." And obviously, God's elect are the ones who are saved. Adam was the federal head of the human race, Timtofly, and Eve was the mother of all the living (Genesis 3:20). They were the...

Disagree. Disagree. That would be everyone, and would mean God has mercy and compassion not on those whom He will but on everyone, which would mean everyone is saved. And that, unfortunately, is not true. God has made some for honorable use, and some for dishonorable use, and this is...

The wheels on the bus go round and round... <smile> Right, but the Holy Spirit is the One Who leads us to do so, as I said, and this is the will of the Father. He does not lead everyone to do so; again, as Paul says in Romans 1... just a few sentences before Romans 2:4... God has given them...

Yes, He was. If you read what Paul says of everyone who is born again of the Spirit ~ yeeeeees yes, I know you have read it before... LOL! ~ you will see that what Paul says mirrors intimately what Jesus said to His disciples in John 15. You and I are both among Jesus's disciples. We're not...

You did. RIght back atcha. I even quoted your exact words. That IS the crux of Calvin's Total Depravity. And if you truly understand that, then that should inevitably get the ball rolling for you. But you do you. Right, but because you said what you said, which was that God "saw who would...

Oh my goodness. Well, by the same token, do you? Wow. It is what it is. Not on purpose, no. <smile> You actually did. You actually stated the correct understanding of total depravity, and affirmed it. "Grow up?" That's quite silly. You did... in saying, "Who has God bound over to...

Good question. <smile> Yes. I mean, one of the main things of Revelation all the way through, and the visions that John is being given, is that they are absolutely shocking... in English terms it's what we call metonymy. You know that, I think. But yes, the image of feasting birds for the...

It's been a while now, but I don't think your understanding of 2 Peter 3 was specifically what I had in mind regarding your selectivity. It was more concerning your selectivity in John's Revelation. That 2 Peter 3 passage is closely related, though. No, I don't. We talked about the...

Sure. Of course. What you... think... Calvinism teaches. But it doesn't. A false attribution. Okay, but considering what I said directly above, maybe you should re-think this, right? I mean, I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but come on. The premise for your believing this, that...

It can, but it can mean something entirely different, and in this case did. Only, "I'm going to say this, and read it carefully." There was nothing to it other than that. Would you now dictate what I meant by what I said? Would you impose an entirely different motive and context on me? I...

Okay, fine. That's a you thing. Air is air. Yes. <chuckles> That's very much beside the point I made. I know, but not allowing for the possibility is... well, not good. Even thought my take is what it is, I am allowing for the possibility that we do actually float up off the ground and...