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  1. PinSeeker

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    Romans 2:3-8... "Do you suppose, O man ~ you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself ~ that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to...
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    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    I'm well aware of your thinking on this, Davy. We disagree. Not the world, really but this present age age. These last days. It will come to an end when the fullness of the Gentiles has been brought in to Israel and the partial hardening that is now on Israel is removed. No, the thousand...
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    The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

    LOL! Sigh... That's actually what I'm saying. What matters is that we inherit ~ at birth, even conception, as David said of himself ~ not the particular sin, but the spiritual condition of being at enmity with God that Adam took on (and Eve) at the time of the Fall. So no matter how the sin...
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    The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

    Only in your wrongheaded view, SI. Because it's dumb. It would be a dumb thing to say. The first cause is God, yes. But man, because of the new spirit God has given him, then chooses correctly. Yes, thank God that God does do that, because otherwise no one would be saved. Who then can be...
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    The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

    Ah, "kept," SI. I mean, we can say "brought back," but we should understand that in the sense of being kept in Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit, and because of His ongoing work in us. And that can be found in all four Gospels, all of John's other letters and Revelation, all of Paul's...
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    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    Well, God elected who He elected. As Creator, he has every right to, as Paul says, to have mercy and compassion on whomever He wills, and also to harden whomever He wills, to make out some/many for honorable use and some/many for dishonorable use. I can certainly understand some thinking that...
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    The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

    Of course. No, I... acknowledge... that a Christian ~ if he/she is truly a heart-regenerate Christian ~ will not... stay departed from the living God, that God may allow him/her to stray for a time and fall away, but will eventually bring him/her back... "go out searching for him/her and bring...
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    The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

    What Adam did, Davy, plunged all of creation into this fallen state. We inherit the proclivity to sin, not the particular sin itself. Yes, Adam represented the entire human race, And the judgment that was placed on him and Eve is the judgment we now are all under. There are two types of...
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    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    No, the elect are those elect of God, chosen before the foundation of the world to be conformed to the image of Christ (Ephesians 1:4-5). The elect are exempt from the "lake of fire" of Revelation 20 and will not be subject to that "second death." Hmmm... hasn't happened yet, correct, but...
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    The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

    I'm not sure if this is a question, or just a statement, and whichever is the case I'm not sure what you mean. What I was saying was that... some posters... seem prone to taking one's comments and making them into something else entirely, into some caricature of what they are, which is such a...
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    The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

    I think, Jay, it's what we often refer to in political circles as... "spin." <smile> Grace and peace to you.
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    The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

    LOL! Well, at least that's a bit better than the "nonexistent" thing you have said before... LOL! I didn't say you did. You didn't address it at all before now, and only in response to me pointing it out in Acts 13:48. Ohhhh, I think you should pay attention to what I'm actually saying...
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    The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

    Fair enough. It's a little bit ironic that your reasoning, "considering other things written in the same book," is at least on that point the same as mine. That's why I have referred to a number of things throughout Hebrews (in addition to other passages elsewhere). To all this, I will say...
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    The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

    You're welcome; thank you for yours. Yes, you have. Fair enough. Yes, positional in the sense that at that point we are in Christ, raised with Him, and seated with Him in the heavenly places, as this same Paul says in Ephesians 2, after formerly being dead in our sin. Paul says the same...
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    The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

    No, you just don't like what I said about what you did say and the outworking of that. And that's fair. I mean, I wasn't trying to offend you; never would I do that. But... it is what it is. Anything you want to, yes. You're your own person. <smile> No buts... The faith of a mustard seed...
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    The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

    Not necessarily, no. You will probably agree with at least this, that it is possible to know what the Bible says, and even understand it very well, and even know all about the Gospel and about Jesus... have a mere intellectual knowledge of the truth... but that does not necessarily indicate a...
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    The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

    Well, the consequence of that sin, not the sin itself, right? Meaning, we are not guilty of Adam's particular sin, his deliberate disobeying of God, but the consequence of that, which is the sinful nature, the deadness in sin, which is synonymous with "at enmity with God," and thus the same...
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    The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

    If they don't believe in Jesus, they don't believe God, and therefore are not like Abraham in that Abraham believed God, and therefore do not have the righteousness credited to them as Abraham did. They're father is the devil, and not God, as Jesus told the Jews He was speaking to in John 8 and...
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    The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

    ...what you say. Yes, I do. Because it ~ as well as the others I have cited ~ do. No, and I'm not; I couldn't do this even if I wanted to. Your intentions are certainly your own, as mine are mine. You do know what 'essentially' means, right? I used that word in reference to what you said...
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    The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

    Sigh. <smile> Same as above. This is exactly what the writer of Hebrews is saying there, that this would call into question whether we are Christians or not. It is certainly possible to have knowledge of the truth but yet not believe it, not live it. Well, very good, buuuuuut... <smile>...