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    Did they really "WORSHIPPED" Jesus?

    Some examples of the use of the same word translated "worship" (all the time) by some translators: The astrologers who came from the east (Matt. 2:2,11); Peter and the others in the boat when Jesus calms the waves and the wind and walks on the sea (Matt. 14:33); the two women when he appears to...
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    On the pre-existence of Jesus

    Do you think Jesus believed he had been in heaven before he was born as a human, or not? John 16: 27(...) ὑμεῖς ἐμὲ πεφιλήκατε __ you for me had affection καὶ πεπιστεύκατε __ and you have believed ὅτι ἐγὼ παρὰ [τοῦ] θεοῦ ἐξῆλθον. __ that I came from the side of God. 28 ἐξῆλθον παρὰ τοῦ πατρὸς...
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    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Thanks. So now you know that "fullness" doesn't mean what you thought before.
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    Jesus' God

    And, if don't honor the Father, are you really honoring the Son? Matt. 7:21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not...
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    Jesus' God

    From Jesus' point of view, who was the God being worshipped in the temple in Jerusalem?
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Nice, you got it right. Then why you don't believe the whole thing: John 1:14 So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth. (...) 18 No man has seen God at...
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    If that is the interpretation of the word "firstborn" for you, would you say that God the Father is also "Firstborn of all creation"?
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    You say Jesus had no beginning, but the Scriptures call Jesus "the firstborn of all creation" in Col. 1:15. Interesting, right?
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    In my study of the book of Acts I have found direct references to Jehovah, even though his name is not specifically mentioned. The most interesting thing about the matter is that although the name is not mentioned, the referenced passages of the OT do mention him, and that forces me to think...
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    Jesus' God

    Have you checked how many times the God of Jesus is mentioned in the Christian Greek Scriptures? Rom. 15: 5 Now may the God who supplies endurance and comfort grant you to have among yourselves the same mental attitude that Christ Jesus had, 6 so that unitedly you may with one voice glorify the...
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    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    You're overthinking it... By logical transfer, if Jesus have the fullness of God in an absolute sense, and Christians have the fullness of Jesus, what would that imply? Ephe. 3:14 For this reason I bend my knees to the Father, 15 to whom every family in heaven and on earth owes its name. 16 I...
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    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Is the God of Jesus a lesser god or a greater God than Jesus? Rev. 3:12 ‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that...
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    A glaring proof of the divinity of Jesus is the many examples of God's people worshipping Christ in the New Testament, which Christ never corrected

    Remember that the Scriptures weren't written in English. Do you actually know which Greek word is translated "to worship" in English?
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    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Since none of these traits directly suggest that Jesus is on par with God (implying far more than mere divinity), everything hinges on interpretation. However, when interpretations of unclear passages conflict with definitive statements, which should be considered more significant in clarifying...
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    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    A brief exploration of Platonic philosophy, which re-emerged during the 3rd century, provides insights into the potential roots of the triune god belief. That era was marked by substantial philosophical inquiry, with various philosophical schools mirroring today's scientific communities. IMO...
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    Jesus' God

    Jesus appears to John in a vision over three decades after his ascent to heaven, and told him: Rev. 3:12 ‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city...
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Will topics that were closed because the subject was being discussed be reopened to continue the threads? Several topics I opened or was debating on the last thread were closed for that reason. For example this one GOD in the OT and GOD in the NT
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Will topics that were closed because the subject was being discussed be reopened to continue the threads? Several topics I opened were closed for that reason.
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    The deconstructing of the law in the New Testament

    I consider myself under the same principles of the Law. Actually, Paul talked about the Law of Christ in Gal. 6:2, that is basically based on the love to God and to the neighbor, specially to those who serve the same God with us, to the point of suffer death for it. Matt. 22:37 He said to him...
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    The deconstructing of the law in the New Testament

    A law might be misunderstood, its intent intentionally twisted, or exploited through technicalities to breach it; it can also be overstated, leading to harsh penalties. This is why we have lawyers, judges, prosecutors, witnesses, and trials. Trials can be just or unjust, based on the law...