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    you can lose your salvation but remember you never be unforgivable if you are on the path of goodness

    You said "you can lose your salvation.." Sorry, His gifts are not like yo yos or walmart refunds.
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Loving Jesus is not hating Israel. Hating evil such as the evil done by unbelievers of the state of Israel today is something God does and demands we do. I can't imagine what the survivors and families of the multitudes slaughtered by Israel think of Jesus, when a supposed christian gung ho...
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Whatever, it sure was not 1948 or anytime in history
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    No, the issue was the mass murders of innocents by Israel. God is against that. He did not bring them back and give them the land, that only happens near the very end when the few surviving Jews there get saved. Meanwhile, He no more supports secular Israel than He does Hitler
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    No. No more than this was in 1948 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my...
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    God does not bless unbelieving terrorists.
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Yes. Like Christians that bring light to the world, these guys are olive trees that pipe oil from God to a candlestick for the world. So the word candlestick in itself does not have to mean church
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    You have shown a verse with the word candlestick, replaced it with church, ignored that the word is used for pre church as well as post church believers etc etc. All you need to show now is honesty to admit that your pitiful attempt at molesting a verse has been well and truly decimated There...
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Yet no mention of it exists and so saying it repeatedly does not make it so Yes there will be saints alive after we are gone here. New believers. Except you made that up. They are the tribulation witnesses, lights to the world. Nothing to do with the church Except you were just defeated...
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    No the term is used as I said, in the OT for the churches and for the trib saints. What is to deny? Nothing in there says church at all. Read it. The trib witnesses are likened to candlesticks. The churches ALSO are liked to candlesticks, and the comparison is also used in the old testament...
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    The word candlestick is used. That is a word describing a vessel that gives light. In the case of the old testament believers, they were not the church. Yet a candlestick was used in the temple and elsewhere. A candlestick was used describing churches, A candlestick also is used for the...
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    How would pointing out that no church was mentioned at all in the only verse given to support that 'the church' was still here in the last seven years? It was claimed that the verse was actually talking about the church because it had the word candlestick in it. I exposed that claim for what it...
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    So NO mention of church whatsoever then. OK. You want to replace the word candlestick with church. Using your interpretive method then, we need not guess the meaning of this verse.. 2 Kings 4:10 Please, let's build him a little room on the roof. We'll put a bed and a table in it for him, and...
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Can you show that two churches operate in the tribulation? One church group Jesus says that because they did such and such He would keep them from it. I don't think that has to mean that they were IN it?
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    The issue here is the return of Christ to earth. Not the rapture. Why post this verse? Again, all about the second coming, not the Rapture. Why spam??
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Spam is unconnected scripture randomly posted as if supporting a position. Example, if I am trying to support the idea that Jesus lived in Israel mostly, and the scripture I use to support that is 'Judas went and hanged himself' That is dishonest spamming. To then turn around in self righteous...
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Sure it is easy, just replace the folks the bible talks about with the word 'church' and presto!
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Verse? Hopefully you do not spam the verse about Jesus returning right after the tribulation. Not really since they seem to say strange things to you. You need to be clear Rev 12:18 spans several years. Of course the evil leader and Satan attack those fleeing believers. What about it? The...
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    It says after? Except that is fantasy. Probably why you allude to scripture rather than posting it It is also a war against Jews and people who refuse the mark etc etc. It is also wrath/judgment from God on the world ? Just because you call the tribulation saints the church means squat...