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He was praying for more than His disciples, them plus as many as God had given Him. Yet He wasnt praying for the entire world.

He never prayed for everyone in the world Jn 17:9 9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

You gave scripture with no exegesis, anyone can unload a bunch of scripture on somebody

@Rightglory False, He never prayed for everyone in the world Jn 17:9 9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. And this is a High Priestly Prayer, He is about to sacrifice Himself as Great Hight Priest vs 19 19 And for their...

Christs atoning death is limited to them He is and was a representative head for, now was that for all the entire world ? No it was not Eph 1:22-23 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him...

See posts 681 and 683 and explain them back to me about limited atonement

Did Christ die for those represented in this world Jn 17:9 9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 11

Scoff all you want

@BreadOfLife Oh yeah, 16th century ? Then prove it

You not prepared to defend your presentation, you just drop it off on your opponent, thats cowardly

@Rightglory False, everyone's destiny was preordained by God before the foundation, to be a believer or a reprobate. But thats a different thread

Says nothing about judas being saved. Many going to hell that did stuff like that, they werent saved, Jesus never knew them Matt 7:22-23 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful...

Prove that He included Judas. Jesus excluded judas in many things Like Jn 17:12 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Neither of you can prove judas was a saved believer. Prove it from the words of Jesus !

You presented scripture without no exegetical proof they go against limited atonement, thats your responsibility first and foremost. You expect me to do the exegeting of your scriptures NOT

False, judas was a chosen reprobate

The death of Christ is limited to the sons or children of God Jn 11:50-52 50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. 51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus...

Paul preached particular effectual atonement for his Gospel, using the scriptures for his guide 1 Cor 15:3-4 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the...

@Dash RipRock Those are spiritual actions one does after they are born again spiritually. You putting the cart b4 the horse, actions b4 life

No the elect are chosen, and then they believe and follow Him. And its the regenerated man that believes and follow, not the flesh