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Im finish with it.

but since they belong to His Church He will do everything needed to save them and cause them to believe the Truth.

With men it is, but all things are possible with God

I cant prove it to you, right now God has blinded you to believe a lie, you out of luck if you wanting me to prove it

@Lizbeth Yes He was praying specifically for His Church, and yet some of it had not yet been born, He prays for them as well, they are the ones who shall believe through the testimony of the Church Jn 17:20 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me...

You havent proved nothing, not that judas was saved, he was chosen to apostleship, thats it and damnation for his dastardly deed, it was best that he be not born Matt 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good...

Did Christ die for those represented in this world Jn 17:9 9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

Because its really arminainism in disguise, it still holds out salvation as a possibility for the non elect, only if they believe.

Fullerism is worser than arminianism and its a deadly deception, may God be merciful to you and deliver you from it

Fullerism is a deadly inconsistent heresy sir, it wants to mix calvinism and arminianism together, its deadly !

Yes they are interlaced

Obtained Eternal Redemption for us ! Heb 9:12 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. We can perceive from this scripture that Christ could not have shed His Redeeming Blood for all...

To be propitiated for is to be saved.

Whats your point in saying that

Dont matter the version, its all about limited particular atonement.

Limited atonement is part of the Gospel

Only for the saints

Actually them whose names were not written in the lambs book from the foundation, they are exempt from them the Lamb tasted death for in Heb 2:9 Later on in the Hebrew epistle mention is made of those whose names were/are written in heaven Heb 12:23 23 To the general assembly and church of the...

Yes the scripture is always written to the saints about the saints, Christ only died for the saints

Did Jesus Christ die for them which its written Rev 13:8 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.11