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I'm convinced you do not read scripture as scripture but within the blinders of your theology. John 10:15 explicitedly denies what you state above. Note vs 14, Jesus uses the pronoun, MY twice. BUT in verse 15 when it comes to His death, He says THE sheep. Then vs 17 he states very clearly...

Where does it say in scripture that one who is baptised will remain faithful? How come Adam did not remain faithful. He walked and talked with God in the Garden. Here are some texts that deny your statement regarding permanence. 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times...

This is why your theology makes no sense. This statement is totally illogical, nonsensical.

Man cannot be condemned twice. Your theology, respective of non-elect leaves them still under the curse of death through Adam. Which is permanent death. Your theology has no provision for their freedom from that curse. How could they have a sin debt. They were saved, past tense, from the...

Which has nothing to do with the questions I asked. Just more irrelevant nonsense. Can you answer he questions?

You are certainly free to believe as you desire. That is the free choice we all have and each will give an account of what we did with with our lives.

Yes He did. It is amazing just how many there are. But there is ONLY one scriptural one, which is what Jesus stated in a talk with Nicodemus, One must be born by water and the Spirit. John 3:5. Acts 2:38, Peter told those at Pentacost, to believe, be baptised and receive the Holy Spirit...

It cannot be explained. Brightfame52 has never explained just how a limited atonement can take place. The concept is unscriptural, an impossibility based on the Incarnation of Christ.

Can you explain how this is possible?

Entering His Kingdom through baptism, which is being born of water and the Spirit, John 3:5, does not guarantee salvation. Whether we are eventually saved, (upon one's departure from this world) depends on our faithfulness to abide by the promises we made at one's baptism. I Pet1:3-5 (through...

I don't know which translation of the Bible you use, but I have 7 translations, The King James Version, Revised Standard Version, New King James Version, The New English Bible, The Living Bible, The Good News for Modern Man, The New Testament in Modern English Not a single one translates vs...

Your view of predestination, the elect, were saved from before the foundation of the world. If certain people, the elect, are saved. what are they saved from? And what is the purpose of Christ coming to save them, when they are already saved? Also, in your view what happens to the non-elect?

So, you reject clear scriptural statements. Are you rejecting that they even are scripture? So, you believe that there is much in scripture that is not plain truth, thus we can ignore a lot of scripture? Why are the texts that were cited rejecting plain truth?

Another blank statement. No evidence, I have not ever seen you present a cogent support for your view as yet. You string some verses together, rarely are they speaking about the same context. You change words, insert words that are not present in the text. Take some time to build a sound...

Becoming a member of the Church, the elect, does not guarantee one salvation. One is joined by faith and baptism and anyone who enters is not guaranteed salvation because each and every person must follow Christ, must live according to His precepts. The NT is fill of advice on how we should do...

It refers to the elect, the Church.

The word election in scripture has a very specific use. There are five instances where election is used. Contrary to the reformed position it is never used in the sense of being saved. All five uses show the meaning of being chosen for specific purposes. Jesus Christ Peter refers to Christ...

As usual you end up with useless comments. The problem here is that you don't have anything to say about monkeys either.

You keep saying this, but the whole discussion has NEVER been about to whom the Bible was written. I already answer that as well. We (I) am trying to discuss one facet of that Bible, a teaching called the Incarnation/atonement/Work of Christ. Howwever you have not added much to the...

Not only nothing explicitly but nothing even inferring the elect. The Father gave Christ ALL THINGS, Col 1:20 which is very explicit what was given to Christ. Nothing about elect. It would have been easy for John to say ELECT, if it were true. Vs 38 even states that who comes to Him is not...