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    Limited atonement !

    Well, you are using another Calvinist to support your theories. The above paragraph is a totally misunderstanding of scripture. It nullifies who Christ actually is and what He actually accomplished. He does not help your cause.
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    Limited atonement !

    Very simply. Read I Cor 15:12-22. If the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. If Christ is not risen, our preaching and faith is empty. Those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If Christ did not defeat death, the world and man will simply be dissolved by death. We will...
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    Limited atonement !

    If hell exists in your theory, how did it come about. Again, I'll superimpose your theology on scripture and say the following. Christ didn't die for any sin, It will not be possible according to what you believe. You missing the key that makes what Christ did valid. You keep denying who...
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    Predestinated to Salvation !

    No, I accept Bible Truth. Your issue is you do not understand the Truth. Not only does scripture teach the opposite of your personal theology, but many have pointed that out to you.
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    Limited atonement !

    Even if so, as I stated but you apparently don't understand what predestination actually accomplishes. Question, why would He need to pray for someone to believe, when He already determined that they are believers.
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    Limited atonement !

    No, those that believed and remained faithful, have no sin and will be judged accordingly. There are a lot of believers that were believers but are no longer, they fell away. If you think there is a hell in your theology then explain from that vantage point how it could exist? When one...
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    Predestinated to Salvation !

    No, God did not mean it to happen. God foreknew it would happen, and used it to His glory. Just as Judas was not predestined to betray Jesus, God knew that Judas would do this and used him to fulfill a prophecy.
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    Limited atonement !

    A lot of words but all based on an incorrect assumption of the word "predestinate" Very simply, It says, "For whom He foreknew....who did He foreknow. God is omniscient, thus He knows all things. He knows who will believe, thus He does not NEED to predestinate. However, He did predestinate...
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    Limited atonement !

    Another butcher job on a context. You are correct in that vs 20 is about future believers, However the whole context of vs 20 - 23 is being directed at the Church. Up to this point He has not prayed for any general believers. First section: vs 1-5 Jesus is praying for Himself, vs6-19 He prays...
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    Limited atonement !

    It proves He died for them. Your missing the connection I pointed out to you. Vs 33 even uses the word "hell" from Jesus's own mouth. He could not have spoken about condemnation or hell, unless He died for them. They are rejecting his call to repent and believe. He does not say that He is...
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    Limited atonement !

    Again, back to your response to Heb 2:9. You cannot believe in hell. Here is why. According to you Christ ONLY died for the elect. If all others are still dead, how could there be a hell. Actually according to scripture there is no heaven either. You gloss over too much. I Cor 15:12-22. If...
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    Predestinated to Salvation !

    He's not the only one. Way back in 1672 the Council of Jerusalem declared the teachings of Calvin heresy. Not only that Council but was accepted by the whole Orthodox Church. Roman Catholics do not stress it but did make an effort to stem the tide of Protestantism with a very watered down...
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    Limited atonement !

    Got a direct question for you. Based on the above statement which is your answer to Heb 2:9, do you believer there is a hell?
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    Limited atonement !

    All human beings are loved by God. After all He died for sinners. Do you know anyone that is not a sinner? Christ took on our human nature, so He is part of every human being, The world from which man was created, man himself, eve from Adam, and Christ all have the very same nature. We are...
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    Limited atonement !

    If you are going to use I John 3:10l then both the children of God and the children of the devil would make up all of mankind. The difference between them is some believe and some do not. This text has nothing to with the fall of Adam or what Christ accomplished by His death and resurrection...
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    Limited atonement !

    What a twisted bunch of nonsense. At the very least I would recommend you do some serious research on the fall of man and just what happened in the Garden and Adam's relationship with Christ as the second Adam. Your theology is so twisted it is unrecognizable as scripture. I challenge anyone...
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    Limited atonement !

    This is the most ridiculous statement, (interpretation I have ever heard. Nothing I stated nor inferred would lead to this statement. I don't understand any of what you say here either. Is this modern man's version of the fall? All I know scripture states that Adam was created in God's...
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    Limited atonement !

    You never give any texts to show scripture as I presented it is false. You make statements like above but it just an assertion. Like scripture to support your premise that Christ died ONLY for so-called elect? If this is what you believe then how does scripture support it against all the texts...
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    Limited atonement !

    So you disagree with your own statement. The point here does He intercede for those you call non-elect? You stated before that He intercedes ONLY for those He died for. Can we assume then that all the Pharisees, Caiphas, Pilate, the Roman soldiers at His so-called trial were all elect and saved?
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    Limited atonement !

    Based on both geneologies, one in Luke who goes backward from Mary, and Matt forward from Adam. This has nothing to do with mankind, but simply the geneology of Christ by virtue of His Incarnation through Mary and the Holy Spirit. So you hold that ONLY the individuals of Christ's geneology...