Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

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amigo de christo

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Isaiah 65:12 is about a future event.
The MAIN event .
Smaller event did occur . But the main day fast approaches . THIS SOLD OUT all inclusive interfaith love
merger , OH ITS GONNA LEAD to the ULTIMATE day indeed . THE day wherein the world GOES UNDER
the WRATH OF ALL MIGHTY GOD and OF THE LAMB .
Judgment begins at the house of GOD . True lambs have been literally burned alive
tormented , suffered greatly at the hands of men .
But how much worse a punishment awaits those who TROD CHRIST under foot and bought a rainbow koran holding jesus
that preached interfaith and fake love .
Yea i say how much worse a punishment awaits those who TROD CHRIST under foot
and fell in love with a sin accepting , unbelief accepting jesus . I shudder in upmost terror for those .
AND THEY THINK they love GOD . Satan sure does know how to decieve and he will allure through the lusts of the flesh
May i , might i , SUGGEST BIBLE TIME in the house for all .
 

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What i say to one i say to all .
Great rejoicing shall there be ON the day of the LORD for all his sheep
Great Wailing there shall be for all who rejected HIM .
And that is a fact . For GOD is not man that he can lie
and thus we know CHRIST cannot lie .
Far worse for you than ever it was for sodom on the day of judgement , SAID JESUS
to even the jews who failed to beleive HE was THE CHRIST .
There be only ONE HOPE , ONE NAME , ONE GOSPEL we can offer up . JESUS THE CHRIST .
SO repeat after me , INTERFAITH IS OF ANTI CHRIST
and it has come in under the guise to seem its for the good of the world
BUT TRULY ITS MEANT ONLY FOR THEIR DESTRUCTION . THERE WILL BE NO PEACE N SAFETY
to the wicked , its all a delusion scott . ITS ALL a delusoin . JESUS HAS BEEN DENIED
and all who do so shall be fried .
Sorry for the rhyme , but friend ITS THE TRUTH . we cannot sit at its table either .
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Its who they ALL preached my friend . Yet todays generation sure dont seem to do so
and at best and at most preach another jesus , another gospel , another false love . And friend
That one cannot save for it cometh of the dark one and of darkness to decieve and to allure all right into a lie .
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And yet this is surely not what peter or any others taught .
The new heavens and the new earth
cometh after the destruction of the old and all evil therein and within .
The new heavens and new earth WHEREIN DWELLS RIGHTEOUSNESS . we sure dont see this in this world today .
But then this ol world and old heavens are gonna be dissolved along with all the evil within .
THUS what is the key . TIME TO PREACH JESUS so as one can be reconciled to GOD and be and live in THE NEW HEAVENS
and NEW EARTH which will one day surely come . Dont expect to see budda , muhammed
or any other unbeliever or their followers IN said camp . Expect only
to see THOSE WHO FAITH WAS AND IS IN JESUS CHRIST in that new heavens and new earth . Yea . a solid reminder
that THERE IS NO HOPE in false religoins , IN UNBELIEF , in lies or in sin . ONLY IN THE TRUTH
ONLY IN CHRIST JESUS is there any hope .
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Romans 4, The promises of God to Israel, God has imputed to all who believe. When you believe, you are become the Israel of God.
That is not true. Don't mistakenly confuse Israel with the ecclesia, the body of Christ. Romans 4 talks about justification by faith, which is true for every member of the ecclesia, which includes both Jews and Gentiles among them. When Paul wrote Romans 9 through 11, he defended the gospel against those who objected to the validity of the gospel on the basis that while some Jews were entering the ecclesia through Jesus Christ, not all of them were entering as God promised. In Romans 9 through 11, Paul fully explains God's promise to his kinsmen and how he will finally keep his promise to them.

We are not Israel. We are the ecclesia. The scriptures you presented address the issue of how one enters the ecclesia.

 

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Isaiah 65
11 But ye are they that forsake the Lord, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

What happened to those grains?
I asked you a couple of times to clarify your thoughts on the Isaiah 65 passage and how it is relevant to what I said. I can't understand why you would leave me to guess.

I'm not certain that you fully understand my position. Since you forced me to guess, I am compelled to conclude that you misunderstand my position. Misunderstandings like this can arise when an individual shares a thought or comment that aligns with a particular point of view; others might mistakenly believe they fully subscribe to that ideology, even if the remark is situational or nuanced.

Just so we are clear, contrary to your mistaken assumption, I am not advocating for the controversial belief that God will save all of physical Israel and that God's promise of spiritual salvation extends to the entire nation of Israel in a literal, physical sense. I do not hold that God's unconditional covenant with the Patriarchs is a binding promise of spiritual salvation for all their descendants. I do not hold that all Israelites, regardless of their current spiritual state, will experience redemption in the end times.

Israel has not lost its Spiritual and National Identity. God will continue to make himself known through his relationship with that nation, delivering her from her enemies, establishing Jesus Christ as her king, and giving her hegemony over all the earth.

To fully understand this picture, one must be careful to maintain the Biblical distinction between Salvation and Deliverance.

In biblical terms, salvation and deliverance are closely related concepts, but they have distinct nuances.

1. Salvation:
Eternal Perspective: Salvation typically refers to the act of being saved from sin and its consequences, such as eternal separation from God. It is linked to the promise of eternal life and reconciliation with God.​
Spiritual Focus: It is primarily a spiritual transformation, involving faith, repentance, and grace. Through salvation, individuals enter into a relationship with God.​
Example: Salvation is often associated with the work of Jesus Christ, who provided the means for humanity to be saved through His death and resurrection (e.g., John 3:16).​

2. Deliverance:
Temporal Perspective: Deliverance generally refers to being rescued from immediate danger, adversity, or oppression. It often occurs within a specific moment or situation.​
Physical or Spiritual: Deliverance can be physical (e.g., liberation from enemies) or spiritual (e.g., freedom from demonic influences or bondage).​
Example: The deliverance of the Israelites from slavery in Egypt is a well-known biblical event (e.g., Exodus 14).​

In summary, salvation deals with eternal and spiritual rescue from sin, while deliverance often relates to temporal or situational rescue, whether physical or spiritual. Both highlight God's power and grace but serve different purposes in His divine plan.
 

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It seems like your conclusion doesn't quite align with what I expressed, taking my statements further than I intended.

Peter is writing specifically to a community of Christians who are also the descendants of Jacob, and who find themselves living in exile away from their homeland. This dual identity shapes his messages and provides a unique context. When Peter speaks to them about Christian beliefs and practices, we should wholeheartedly embrace and apply those teachings in our own lives. However, we must exercise caution; when he addresses topics that resonate specifically with the experiences and challenges faced by the diaspora, we should avoid wrongly interpreting his words as directly relevant to our own situations. Understanding this distinction allows us to appreciate the nuances in his communication and respond appropriately to both the universal and specific messages he conveys.
I don't believe God believes that. Why would God expect people who live over 1,900 years later to be able to know what Peter was saying to all and what he was saying only to Jews in the diaspora?

A lot of "teachers" who want to change the meaning of the New Testament scriptures so that it complies with their doctrine about "People who are not in Christ and do not belong to Christ, are "God's elect" - as long as they are Jews and not Gentiles - come up with the kind of things you have just expressed.

Both yourself and @covenantee should ask yourselves if God believes what you are saying a lot of the time - and be careful not to speak for God. That way you will be more careful not to speak for God about what he inspired His apostles to write and to say.
 
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I don't believe God believes that. Why would God expect people who live over 1,900 years later to be able to know what Peter was saying to all and what he was saying only to Jews in the diaspora?
Understanding an epistle depends largely on understanding both the immediate context, and the larger context. Readers take this for granted and understand the process almost without thinking about it. We do it all the time in our everyday life. For instance, readers of Peter's letters must first know who is Peter and why he is significant. Second, readers must identify Peter's intended audience.

Peter: He identifies himself as an Apostle.
Audience: He writes to the Diaspora, the Jewish people living outside the country.
Larger Context: God's relationship to the nation of Israel as recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures.

A lot of "teachers" who want to change the meaning of the New Testament scriptures so that it complies with their doctrine about "People who are not in Christ and do not belong to Christ, are "God's elect" - as long as they are Jews and not Gentiles - come up with the kind of things you have just expressed.
While that might be true for some teachers, that isn't true in my case. My only concern is what Peter originally meant to say. Did Peter mean to speak metaphorically about the church, describing them as Christians scattered across various regions of Asia Minor? Or was Peter talking to Jewish communities living outside of Israel?

Peter's use of Old Testament Language to write a letter to those in his purview, i.e., the Jewish believers in Jesus Christ, is intended to bridge the gap between Jewish imagery and their new life in Christ. Given that the Jewish people are a Holy people, then they should live as a holy people.

Both yourself and @covenantee should ask yourselves if God believes what you are saying a lot of the time - and be careful not to speak for God. That way you will be more careful not to speak for God about what he inspired His apostles to write and to say.
I don't speak for God.
 

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While that might be true for some teachers, that isn't true in my case. My only concern is what Peter originally meant to say. Did Peter mean to speak metaphorically about the church, describing them as Christians scattered across various regions of Asia Minor? Or was Peter talking to Jewish communities living outside of Israel?

Peter's use of Old Testament Language to write a letter to those in his purview, i.e., the Jewish believers in Jesus Christ, is intended to bridge the gap between Jewish imagery and their new life in Christ. Given that the Jewish people are a Holy people, then they should live as a holy people.
When you say "the Jewish people are a Holy people" what people are you referring to exactly? Jewish people in general or just Jewish believers in Jesus Christ? Are Gentile believers not expected to live as a holy people as one body with Jewish believers?

Romans 1:7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Who were these holy people in Rome that Paul was writing to? Only Jews?

1 Corinthians 1:2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:

2 Corinthians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God in Corinth, together with all his holy people throughout Achaia:

Who were these holy people in the church of God in Corinth and throughout Achaia? Only Jews?

Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To God’s holy people in Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Who were these holy people in Ephesus? Only Jews?

Philippians 1:1 Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, To all God’s holy people in Christ Jesus at Philippi, together with the overseers and deacons:

Where were these holy people in Christ Jesus at Philippi? Only Jews?

Colossians 1:2 To God’s holy people in Colossae, the faithful brothers and sisters in Christ: Grace and peace to you from God our Father.

Who were these holy people in Colossae? Only Jews?

Does God have two sets of holy people or one?
 

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When you say "the Jewish people are a Holy people" what people are you referring to exactly? Jewish people in general or just Jewish believers in Jesus Christ? Are Gentile believers not expected to live as a holy people as one body with Jewish believers?
At this juncture, it’s important to delve deeper into the significance of the term "Holy" as used in the Bible. The word "holy" essentially denotes a quality that is nearly the antithesis of "common." Items or concepts deemed common are typically meant for everyday use, familiar and accessible to all. In contrast, that which is labeled as holy is specially set apart for divine purpose, having been consecrated to serve God. This distinction elevates holy objects and individuals above the ordinary.

Additionally, the term "holy" is often linked with moral righteousness. This connection arises because figures such as ministers, priests, and bishops are committed to a life dedicated to God's service. As such, they are expected to embody and reflect behaviors that align with their sacred duties, acting in ways that honor the divine calling they have accepted. Thus, it is the expectation of moral integrity and virtuous conduct that further reinforces the special status of holiness within a religious framework.

Through a solemn declaration and sacred covenant, the descendants of Jacob, both sons and daughters, have been designated as a special people devoted to the service of God. This designation does not automatically infer that each individual among them embodies moral perfection; rather, it underscores their collective identity as a consecrated community, set apart for divine purposes. As such, they are called to live in a manner that reflects their unique relationship with God, distinguishing them as a holy and dedicated people within the broader tapestry of humanity.


Romans 1:7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Who were these holy people in Rome that Paul was writing to? Only Jews?
God sets apart individuals for various divine purposes, each with its unique significance in the spiritual realm. You have adeptly identified a particular category of the sacred: those whom the Father has consecrated specifically to serve His Son, Jesus Christ. These individuals, honored as "holy ones" in this grand service, are enriched by the profound presence of the Holy Spirit dwelling within them, a gift that assures them of eternal life. This distinction, however, does not universally apply to the Jewish people, whom God has chosen to separate from all other nations on Earth for His divine service.

Peter is talking to those who are holy in the first sense, who may also be holy in the second sense.
 

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At this juncture, it’s important to delve deeper into the significance of the term "Holy" as used in the Bible. The word "holy" essentially denotes a quality that is nearly the antithesis of "common." Items or concepts deemed common are typically meant for everyday use, familiar and accessible to all. In contrast, that which is labeled as holy is specially set apart for divine purpose, having been consecrated to serve God. This distinction elevates holy objects and individuals above the ordinary.

Additionally, the term "holy" is often linked with moral righteousness. This connection arises because figures such as ministers, priests, and bishops are committed to a life dedicated to God's service. As such, they are expected to embody and reflect behaviors that align with their sacred duties, acting in ways that honor the divine calling they have accepted. Thus, it is the expectation of moral integrity and virtuous conduct that further reinforces the special status of holiness within a religious framework.

Through a solemn declaration and sacred covenant, the descendants of Jacob, both sons and daughters, have been designated as a special people devoted to the service of God. This designation does not automatically infer that each individual among them embodies moral perfection; rather, it underscores their collective identity as a consecrated community, set apart for divine purposes. As such, they are called to live in a manner that reflects their unique relationship with God, distinguishing them as a holy and dedicated people within the broader tapestry of humanity.



God sets apart individuals for various divine purposes, each with its unique significance in the spiritual realm. You have adeptly identified a particular category of the sacred: those whom the Father has consecrated specifically to serve His Son, Jesus Christ. These individuals, honored as "holy ones" in this grand service, are enriched by the profound presence of the Holy Spirit dwelling within them, a gift that assures them of eternal life. This distinction, however, does not universally apply to the Jewish people, whom God has chosen to separate from all other nations on Earth for His divine service.

Peter is talking to those who are holy in the first sense, who may also be holy in the second sense.
Sorry, but I refuse to take your gibberish seriously. You clearly will go to any length to explain away whatever scripture you need to in order to make it fit your doctrine. You even deny that Peter was talking about the same people in 1 Peter 2:9 as he had just previously been talking about in the previous verses. I can't take that seriously.
 
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I asked you a couple of times to clarify your thoughts on the Isaiah 65 passage and how it is relevant to what I said. I can't understand why you would leave me to guess.

I'm not certain that you fully understand my position. Since you forced me to guess, I am compelled to conclude that you misunderstand my position. Misunderstandings like this can arise when an individual shares a thought or comment that aligns with a particular point of view; others might mistakenly believe they fully subscribe to that ideology, even if the remark is situational or nuanced.

Just so we are clear, contrary to your mistaken assumption, I am not advocating for the controversial belief that God will save all of physical Israel and that God's promise of spiritual salvation extends to the entire nation of Israel in a literal, physical sense. I do not hold that God's unconditional covenant with the Patriarchs is a binding promise of spiritual salvation for all their descendants. I do not hold that all Israelites, regardless of their current spiritual state, will experience redemption in the end times.

Israel has not lost its Spiritual and National Identity. God will continue to make himself known through his relationship with that nation, delivering her from her enemies, establishing Jesus Christ as her king, and giving her hegemony over all the earth.

To fully understand this picture, one must be careful to maintain the Biblical distinction between Salvation and Deliverance.

In biblical terms, salvation and deliverance are closely related concepts, but they have distinct nuances.

1. Salvation:
Eternal Perspective: Salvation typically refers to the act of being saved from sin and its consequences, such as eternal separation from God. It is linked to the promise of eternal life and reconciliation with God.​
Spiritual Focus: It is primarily a spiritual transformation, involving faith, repentance, and grace. Through salvation, individuals enter into a relationship with God.​
Example: Salvation is often associated with the work of Jesus Christ, who provided the means for humanity to be saved through His death and resurrection (e.g., John 3:16).​

2. Deliverance:
Temporal Perspective: Deliverance generally refers to being rescued from immediate danger, adversity, or oppression. It often occurs within a specific moment or situation.​
Physical or Spiritual: Deliverance can be physical (e.g., liberation from enemies) or spiritual (e.g., freedom from demonic influences or bondage).​
Example: The deliverance of the Israelites from slavery in Egypt is a well-known biblical event (e.g., Exodus 14).​

In summary, salvation deals with eternal and spiritual rescue from sin, while deliverance often relates to temporal or situational rescue, whether physical or spiritual. Both highlight God's power and grace but serve different purposes in His divine plan.
What happened to Amos 9:9 which you referenced previously?

What/who is your definition of "grain" in Amos 9:9?
 

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Understanding an epistle depends largely on understanding both the immediate context For instance, readers of Peter's letters must first know who is Peter and why he is significant. Second, readers must identify Peter's intended audience.

1 Peter 1:

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the sojourners scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

Still speaking to the same people about the way of life inherited from their ancestors:

18 You know that from your empty way of life inherited from your ancestors you were ransomed - not by perishable things like silver or gold,

1 Peter 2 - still speaking to the same people:

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Paul said to Gentiles who believe in Christ:

Ephesians 2
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone.

You are reading into 1 Peter 1:1 something that according to you all who read the scriptures can see - but actually, you are one of the very few who "sees" what you see.

At best - and even what I am about to say is a matter of reading into the text what simply cannot be proved - at best the closest you get to Peter talking to Israel is that it could be referring to people descended from the house of Israel (the Northern kingdom) which was completely cut off by God in the 8th century B.C, ceased being A NATION, and had not received mercy (Isaiah 7:8 & Hosea 1:6), whose descendants intermarried with Gentiles.

But even IF it IS referring to them, then it's still NOT referring to the Jews as you claim - because IF it's referring to Israel at all, it's referring to a very mixed Gentile / descendants of "Ephraim" group of people.

BUT Peter is writing to a people who had been ransomed from their empty way of life inherited from their ancestors who once "were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy", who also he called "a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light".

It's only a case of guess-work and what you want the scriptures to be saying that would cause you (or any reader) to insert a reference to "scattered Jews" (or even a mixed people descended from the ten northern tribes that had been scattered in the 8th century BC) into the text.

But you say Peter is referring to the Jewish diaspora.

Peter: He identifies himself as an Apostle.
Audience: He writes to the Diaspora, the Jewish people living outside the country.
Larger Context: God's relationship to the nation of Israel as recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Your "larger context" has nothing to do with Christ then?

While that might be true for some teachers, that isn't true in my case. My only concern is what Peter originally meant to say. Did Peter mean to speak metaphorically about the church, describing them as Christians scattered across various regions of Asia Minor? Or was Peter talking to Jewish communities living outside of Israel?

Peter was talking to people who according to the way the NetFree version puts it, were temporarily residing in the areas he mentions - Peter specifically calls them SOJOURNERS. There's nothing metaphorical about sojourners. It's a massive assumption to say he was talking only to the "Jewish diaspora" in the region who happened to all believe in Christ.

Peter's use of Old Testament Language to write a letter to those in his purview, i.e., the Jewish believers in Jesus Christ, is intended to bridge the gap between Jewish imagery and their new life in Christ.

No, that's not true at all. The Hebrew scriptures were the only scriptures that existed for the church - Jew or Gentile - at the time Peter wrote his letter. The New Testament was still in the process of being compiled - and Peter's letter is only one of the letters to the Christians who were SOJOURNING in the region which eventually became part of the Christian Bible Canon.

The moment Gentiles came to faith in Christ they began to be taught about the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - from the Hebrew scriptures, and no doubt the Septuagint was used more than anything else outside of Judea and Samaria.

Given that the Jewish people are a Holy people, then they should live as a holy people.

Same for any people called to be holy - and your definition of "holy" has different types of holy - which is also non-biblical. Holy means "set apart unto God" and anyone set apart unto God is supposed to live a moral lifestyle. Being set apart unto God (holy) naturally includes moral holiness.

I don't speak for God.

Good. I don't believe that you believe you speak for God. But you are talking about a portion of scripture - and any portion of scripture requires a lot more diligence and care to interpret correctly than what you seem to have allowed.

We cannot just make assumptions and then add those assumption to scripture - and you are making assumptions about this text and adding your assumptions to scripture.
 
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Sorry, but I refuse to take your gibberish seriously. You clearly will go to any length to explain away whatever scripture you need to in order to make it fit your doctrine. You even deny that Peter was talking about the same people in 1 Peter 2:9 as he had just previously been talking about in the previous verses. I can't take that seriously.
What you say here shows that you take my posts seriously and have no answer.