No. That's what you would like it to say. The text speaks for itself. It forbids your position.
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false
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Spiritual Israelite
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There is zero mention of your supposed future millennium. You know that. All you can do with text after text, is force it into the sacred text. That just about sums up Premil.
I notice you never address Amil posts. You just divert with your own extra-biblical avoidance.
The key of David describes the Davidic authority Christ now exercises over true Israel - His elect.
Exactly. To de-program that would take more time and effort than what we could expend on these forums. Sometimes people just want to believe error.
The same guy denies the deity of Christ. He should not be allowed on a Christian forum.
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Spiritual Israelite
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I wanted to be sure of what you believe before making my point so that I didn't waste time making a straw man argument. I'm sure you can appreciate that?
You don't have to explain things like this to me. You're not talking to someone who just became a Christian yesterday.
All these words and you still didn't answer my question. If you look at the other accounts of the Olivet Discourse in Mark 13 and Luke 21 and see how the disciples questions are worded there, you can see that His coming and the end of the age are not specifically referenced in those accounts. So, it is not likely that they actually asked specifically about His coming and the end of the age in those exact words, but Matthew paraphrased His words to show that Jesus's answers to their questions would not just be related to the destruction of the temple buildings but also to His future coming and the end of the age. At that time I'm sure that the disciples would have assumed that His second coming would coincide with the destruction of the temple buildings, but it did not.
In the Olivet Discourse, Jesus referenced both His coming and the end of the age in terms of His coming occurring at the end of the age rather than the end of the age coming 1,000+ years later after His second coming as you believe.
I assume you would agree with me that what He said in the following passage relates to things that happen just before His second coming?
Matthew 24:9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
This is where Jesus addresses the reference to "the end of the age" by pointing out things that will happen just before the end of the age while also pointing out that "the one who stands firm to the end" of the age "will be saved" and that the gospel will be preached in the whole world "and then the end" of the age "will come".
Would you agree that Jesus was relating "the end" to His second coming there? Would you agree that He was saying that once the gospel is preached in the whole world then He will come again and that will mark the end of the age? If so, then read this passage again in that light...
Matthew 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.
Jesus was saying here that at the end of the age, which is when He will return "Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father". Which means when He comes that is when He will hand over the kingdom to the Father as Paul wrote about in 1 Corinthians 15:22-24.
Spiritual Israelite
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I see that YOU haven't studied the passage. Tell me, what other entity but the church is a spiritual house with Jesus as its cornerstone?
1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Peter was addressing those who he said were "built up a spiritual house" with Jesus as its "chief corner stone". That is a description of the church. Paul described it similarly here...
Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Spiritual Israelite
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Where did I make that contention? That has nothing to do with what I was saying whatsoever. Trying to explain spiritual things to someone as carnal as you is a futile endeavor.
Spiritual Israelite
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Peter said that David prophesied that God told him that He will RAISE UP Christ to sit on his (David's) throne and said he was prophesying about Jesus being RAISED UP from the dead.
Spiritual Israelite
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You fail at understanding scripture. You fail at accepting what Peter taught in Acts 2:29-36. You fail at heeding what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 2:9-16 and you interpret scripture like the natural man instead of relying on the Holy Spirit for understanding. We can only speak to you like the carnal babe in Christ that you are.
1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
CadyandZoe
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Spiritual Israelite
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What evidence do you have to indicate that God was behind what happened in 1948? In past times when God brought Israel back, such as from their captivity in Babylon, it was after they had repented and were ready to be together as God's people again. What evidence is there that something similar happened in 1948, considering that most of them reject Christ? I see no evidence that God had anything to do with what happened in 1948.
Spiritual Israelite
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To those with spiritual discernment, the text speaks for itself and is very straightforward. There was a prophecy David made about God RAISING UP Christ to sit on David's throne and in that prophecy he spoke of God RAISING UP Christ from the dead. That is what Peter plainly said. But, those without spiritual discernment need help to see what the text says. They need help to see that Peter was speaking plainly and straightforwardly and that they should not read anything into what Peter was saying because of doctrinal bias.
Agree,
But there is this in the broad sense of things about the nations and it applies to all of the nations, pointing to God at work.
Acts 17
TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.
Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: 24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
26 And He has made from one [j]blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
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And v24 also proves their wont be a 1000 year reign in the flesh on this earth, as a temple made on this earth is made with hands
God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.
Course some do not believe in Christ as God come in the flesh, they might believe the Son of God would dwell in temples made with hands, but of course they are wrong
14 Do all things without [d]complaining and disputing,[e] 15 that you may become blameless and [f]harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, 16 holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.
17 Yes, and if I am being poured out as a drink offering on the sacrifice and service of your faith, I am glad and rejoice with you all. 18 For the same reason you also be glad and rejoice with me.
The Humbled and Exalted Christ
5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it [b]robbery to be equal with God, 7 but [c]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.Light Bearers
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.14 Do all things without [d]complaining and disputing,[e] 15 that you may become blameless and [f]harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, 16 holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.
17 Yes, and if I am being poured out as a drink offering on the sacrifice and service of your faith, I am glad and rejoice with you all. 18 For the same reason you also be glad and rejoice with me.
Lol. Because I am dealing with people like you who constantly explain the way the truth.
Spiritual Israelite
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Right. I was obviously speaking in a different sense than what is written about here.
Right. Not all Premills believe Jesus will reign for a new physical temple at that time, but that verse definitely refutes that belief.
Why some ignore this is beyond me.
CadyandZoe
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Yes. I very much appreciate your thoughtful answers. This is how I learn.
I wouldn’t take that as a given. The disciples' unease stemmed from Jesus' alarming proclamation about the imminent destruction of the temple. Their distress was rooted in an unspoken belief that Jesus was destined to assume the role of the King of Israel in the future. They were left pondering a critical question: how could Jesus make his grand ceremonial entry if the temple, a symbol of their faith and religious center, was to be laid to ruin?
In Roman culture, "the Parousia" referred to the ceremonial arrival of an emperor or high-ranking official to a city. This event was marked by grand celebrations, including processions, speeches, and public festivities, symbolizing the ruler's authority and connection with the people.
As Jesus foretold the destruction of the temple, his followers were filled with curiosity and anxiety. They sought clarity about the nature of the upcoming celebration, particularly because his remarks implied that the prophets’ traditional views on this significant event might be flawed. This left them pondering how the celebration would unfold in light of such profound predictions.
How does the Olivet discourse rule out my perspective?
I don't see it that way. Jesus is describing the ending of the age, which includes the Jewish wars of AD70, other wars and rumors of wars, the tribulation period, the rebirth of the nation, the sign of the son of man, changes in the celestial bodies, persecution and destruction of Israel, and finally the Parousia of the Lord.
No, quite the opposite. Jesus gently corrects his disciples, steering them away from the misconception that his second coming, or Parousia, would occur simultaneously with the world's end. He cautions them against their eagerness for him to seize power without delay, stressing with great emphasis that his return would not happen anytime soon. He forewarns of tumultuous times ahead—wars would rage, the sacred temple would face destruction, and a protracted period of tribulation would unfold before his glorious return.
In the Gospel of Matthew, specifically in chapter 13, Jesus discusses a significant time known elsewhere as the Millennial period, which is also referred to as the "day of the Lord." This extraordinary era marks the reign of God as King over the entire earth, a rule established through His Son, Jesus Christ. The initiation of this divine period begins with a profound judgment directed at Israel. During this time, the Lord unleashes His fiery armies, who will sweep across the land, igniting everything in their path. The only exception to this devastation is the city of Jerusalem, which stands intact amidst the chaos, serving as a beacon of God's presence and authority during the unfolding of this monumental chapter in history.
CadyandZoe
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1 Peter 1:1 Greek
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parepidēmois
παρεπιδήμοις
sojourners
Adj-DMP
"one who sojourns on earth: so of Christians, 1 Peter 1:1"
I'm confident that Strong's Greek is better than yours.
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